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This is why i used it's verb "loan" instead of borrow but it seems it's basically the samething. Honestly idk who started the "borrowed" crap. I know naruto mentioned rent and lend chakra to him, so that is where the error is from when should instead be applied to some one like nagato using madaras eyes temporarily. But in narutos case it should be shared or exchanged power

When you give something, you lend it; when you get or receive something, you borrow it. You are right about Nagato's example. The borrowed crap just started recently if i'm not mistaken, though i was inactive for some time so i'm not sure abt. But, people need to realise that Naruto isn't born special, the fact that he got a place where only extraordinary shinobi are allowed in is more than impressive but you know the human nature, where we can't accept what we get, instead we project our versions onto an already well established character of another person's ideal. Naruto is what he is, his flaws and dumbness makes what he is, otherwise Naruto would be no different than Sasuke. These people simply can't learn.
 

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let's see. Itachi's eyes(or chakra I guess) enhance sasuke's existing precog, susanoo and amaterasu. While kurama basically gives him his own abilities +more after befriending him as mutual agreement (PJ). I don't see what i'm saying wrong here but yes i'll keep being me :rolleyes:

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mangekyou sharingan is suicide techniques cuz over usage leaves them(user) blind

without Itachi's eyes there will be no precog, no susanoo, no amaterasu
only things u will get blind sasuke
sm naruto=ms sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>blind sasuke
 
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naruto is literally dead without kurama...since kurama is essential to naruto's existence I find it hard to believe that it isn't his own power...especially since naruto had to fight and tame kurama then TRAIN to master that power
But that wasn't the case when Naruto fought toneri......Zzz
 

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When you give something, you lend it; when you get or receive something, you borrow it. You are right about Nagato's example. The borrowed crap just started recently if i'm not mistaken, though i was inactive for some time so i'm not sure abt. But, people need to realise that Naruto isn't born special, the fact that he got a place where only extraordinary shinobi are allowed in is more than impressive but you know the human nature, where we can't accept what we get, instead we project our versions onto an already well established character of another person's ideal. Naruto is what he is, his flaws and dumbness makes what he is, otherwise Naruto would be no different than Sasuke. These people simply can't learn.

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I saw a lot of people have considered Kurama to be Naruto's power. That's not even Naruto's power. He was borrowing chakra from Kurama. If it was his, why would he have to ask for it? The only powers that are Naruto's is Sage Mode and his Uzumaki chakra. That's all.

Sasuke's powers are not borrowed. Sasuke mastered Sharingan and his eyes surpassed Itachi's even before awakening MS.

If you think taking eyeballs is borrowing power, then you must be high. The chakra is created in the brain. Not inside of the eyes. Did Sasuke take Itachi's brain? No. He only took the eyes. Eyes are muscles. Not powers.

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I think reading Sasuke fans post actually make u lose brain cells. So you show a scan of Naruto asking for kurama chakra but won't show a scan of Sasuke taking the Bijuu chakra? So they're both not relying on the same thing becuz one is asking for it and the other is forcefully taking it? The whole point of the manga is cooperating with one another yet Sasuke jock riders are still reaching
wasnt it already established nobody can do things on their own? The moment u realize Sasuke failed to accomplish his goal even with help :sdo:
 

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I think reading Sasuke fans post actually make u lose brain cells. So you show a scan of Naruto asking for kurama chakra but won't show a scan of Sasuke taking the Bijuu chakra? So they're both not relying on the same thing becuz one is asking for it and the other is forcefully taking it? The whole point of the manga is cooperating with one another yet Sasuke jock riders are still reaching
wasnt it already established nobody can do things on their own? The moment u realize Sasuke failed to accomplish his goal even with help :sdo:

At least Sasuke managed to control them with his own power. Naruto needed Killer Bee and Kushina's help to handle Kurama.
 

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At least Sasuke managed to control them with his own power. Naruto needed Killer Bee and Kushina's help to handle Kurama.

His own power lol? He got rinnegan from Sage pls come correct or don't come at all wat a fail :lmao:
 

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Sasuke's entire existence is based on borrowed power. He even stole chakra from Naruto during VoTE 2.
 

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At least Sasuke managed to control them with his own power. Naruto needed Killer Bee and Kushina's help to handle Kurama.

sasuke had six paths power aka the rinnegan...what the **** is wrong with you?
 

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sasuke had six paths power aka the rinnegan...what the **** is wrong with you?

If I remember correctly, the Mangekyo Sharingan is what allowed him to control the Tailed Beasts. If the Rinnegan could control Tailed Beasts then Nagato wouldn't have tried to seal them all inside of the Gedo Statue and would have simply taken them out of the jinchuriki and controlled them.

His Sharingan and Rinnegan are infused, which is why he can use Susano'o with his Rinnegan.
 

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If I remember correctly, the Mangekyo Sharingan is what allowed him to control the Tailed Beasts. If the Rinnegan could control Tailed Beasts then Nagato wouldn't have tried to seal them all inside of the Gedo Statue and would have simply taken them out of the jinchuriki and controlled them.

His Sharingan and Rinnegan are infused, which is why he can use Susano'o with his Rinnegan.

sasuke doesn't even need sharingan activated to use susanoo...and the genjutsu he used was clearly rinnegan...sasuke's left eye is not called "sharingan plus rinnegan"...it is simply referred to as "rinnegan"
 

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sasuke doesn't even need sharingan activated to use susanoo...and the genjutsu he used was clearly rinnegan...sasuke's left eye is not called "sharingan plus rinnegan"...it is simply referred to as "rinnegan"

If the Rinngan had those abilities, then Nagato would have controlled them. He specifically stated that his Susano'o was constructed by the Rinnegan when he flew down to protect Kakashi, Naruto, and Sakura from IT. This is clear evidence that Sasuke can still use his Mangekyo Sharingan abilities with his Rinnegan.

An ability of the Mangekyo is the potential to control a tailed beast.

Not once was it said that the Rinnegan could use genjutsu or control Tailed Beasts, so your argument falls flat. Nice try, you actually thought you were right.
 

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If the Rinngan had those abilities, then Nagato would have controlled them. He specifically stated that his Susano'o was constructed by the Rinnegan when he flew down to protect Kakashi, Naruto, and Sakura from IT. This is clear evidence that Sasuke can still use his Mangekyo Sharingan abilities with his Rinnegan.

An ability of the Mangekyo is the potential to control a tailed beast.

Not once was it said that the Rinnegan could use genjutsu or control Tailed Beasts, so your argument falls flat. Nice try, you actually thought you were right.

You're really stupid kid. He used his rinnegan go re read the chapter he sage even comments on how he used his rinnegan to trap the beasts. Why are u acting like u know what ur talking about re read the chapter u have no argument here someone come get this kid. Ur not even worth spending time on
 

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mangekyou sharingan is suicide techniques cuz over usage leaves them(user) blind

without Itachi's eyes there will be no precog, no susanoo, no amaterasu
only things u will get blind sasuke
sm naruto=ms sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>blind sasuke

You realize itachi and madara used susanoo when they was blind right? :tea:

Tl:dr

It's not the same as kurama giving naruto abilities he never had. And again my point isn't to deny ems as an handout.
 
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If the Rinngan had those abilities, then Nagato would have controlled them. He specifically stated that his Susano'o was constructed by the Rinnegan when he flew down to protect Kakashi, Naruto, and Sakura from IT. This is clear evidence that Sasuke can still use his Mangekyo Sharingan abilities with his Rinnegan.

An ability of the Mangekyo is the potential to control a tailed beast.

Not once was it said that the Rinnegan could use genjutsu or control Tailed Beasts, so your argument falls flat. Nice try, you actually thought you were right.

nagato was not the original owner of his rinnegan so using him as an example doesn't really work...also sasuke never stated his susanoo was constructed with rinnegan...you just made that shit up...susanoo is a sharingan jutsu...basically you made up half the shit you were typing bro...just admit it
 

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nagato was not the original owner of his rinnegan so using him as an example doesn't really work...also sasuke never stated his susanoo was constructed with rinnegan...you just made that shit up...susanoo is a sharingan jutsu...basically you made up half the shit you were typing bro...just admit it

If he used the Susano'o to block out the light from the Infinite Tsukuyomi, how did the Rinnegan NOT construct his Susano'o? Black Zetsu literally said the light wasn't being let through the Susano'o, and only the Rinnegan can counter the IT meaning that his Mangekyo abilities are able to be used through his Rinnegan eye.

Didn't he use the Amaterasu during the Kaguya fight through the use of the Rinnegan.

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