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2017 and there's still talk about borrowed power...
 

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But isnt the definition of "borrow" is to use it for a certain amount of time then return the borrowed item? Why hasnt Sasuke returned this "borrowed power"?

does naruto "return" kurama's chakra?...the issued of borrowed power in the series of naruto is retarded
 

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EMS isn't Sasuke's power. He obtained it after taking Itachi's eyes.

I wouldn't necessarily call it him borrowing it, since Itachi's dead.

I honestly don't know what to call it.
 

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The moment he unlocked KCM he didn't need to ask Kurama for chakra anymore. He only did so because he was still new to bijuu power and needed help to use BM to full potential in limited amounts of time.
 

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Without the use of Kurama's power, Naruto has only beaten Kiba, Mizuki, and Kakuzu. Naruto continued to use the chakra of the Nine-tails for everything up until he had to face the Sharingan at the VOTE1 and realized that using brute-force for everything wasn't always the solution.

When someone says Kurama isn't Naruto's, they mean that he wasn't born with it, nor did he work to achieve it. He didn't defeat it and seal it inside of himself, someone else did that, and it isn't a Kekkei Genkai. For a while now, Naruto has been completely reliant on something beyond himself. Naruto can't use KCM without Kurama giving it to him freely, therefore it's not his own power. Sasuke's Sharingan is his own power, by birthright of genetics, the EMS is simply a negation of blindness just like Sage Mode is a negation of the arm wound that Naruto got when he first used the Rasen Shuriken.

By the way, Naruto was only able to defeat Kurama with the help of Kushina, and Killer Bee. Shame, he can never do anything without outside help in this manga.
 

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EMS isn't Sasuke's power. He obtained it after taking Itachi's eyes.

I wouldn't necessarily call it him borrowing it, since Itachi's dead.

I honestly don't know what to call it.

Then no one have EMS power going by ur logic
 

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Hashirama DNA can be used for replacing lost body limbs like arms and can even be used to prevent MS from going blind.

Obito is proof the only MS and Uchiha user to never go blind.
 

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:lmao: So this is what Uchiha faps have come to. Making their own definitions of the term borrowed.
Even some claiming that EMS = MS. lel

Doesn't matter. Borrowed powers or not. Naruto>Sasuke simple as that.
 

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Then no one have EMS power going by ur logic
Obviously.

No one is born with EMS. The farthest an Uchiha can go is MS without borrowing someone else's powers:

> Another Uchiha's eyes (their brothers0
> Hashirama DNA
> Rikudou power

etc
 

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Without the use of Kurama's power, Naruto has only beaten Kiba, Mizuki, and Kakuzu. Naruto continued to use the chakra of the Nine-tails for everything up until he had to face the Sharingan at the VOTE1 and realized that using brute-force for everything wasn't always the solution.

When someone says Kurama isn't Naruto's, they mean that he wasn't born with it, nor did he work to achieve it. He didn't defeat it and seal it inside of himself, someone else did that, and it isn't a Kekkei Genkai. For a while now, Naruto has been completely reliant on something beyond himself. Naruto can't use KCM without Kurama giving it to him freely, therefore it's not his own power. Sasuke's Sharingan is his own power, by birthright of genetics, the EMS is simply a negation of blindness just like Sage Mode is a negation of the arm wound that Naruto got when he first used the Rasen Shuriken.

By the way, Naruto was only able to defeat Kurama with the help of Kushina, and Killer Bee. Shame, he can never do anything without outside help in this manga.


While he wasn't born with Kurama, he did work to master it's power. He can use Kcm without Kurama's permission. Why does it matter if he has outside help when the Manga focuses heavily on co-operation? It'd defeat the point.

fodderuto is still nothing without Kurama

but he has Kurama so:coffee:
 

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While he wasn't born with Kurama, he did work to master it's power. He can use Kcm without Kurama's permission. Why does it matter if he has outside help when the Manga focuses heavily on co-operation? It'd defeat the point.



but he has Kurama so:coffee:

true... im just talking overall as a ninja -
 

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:lmao: So this is what Uchiha faps have come to. Making their own definitions of the term borrowed.
Even some claiming that EMS = MS. lel

Doesn't matter. Borrowed powers or not. Naruto>Sasuke simple as that.

Naruto can never do anything on his own. :lol
 

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:lmao: So this is what Uchiha faps have come to. Making their own definitions of the term borrowed.
Even some claiming that EMS = MS. lel

Doesn't matter. Borrowed powers or not. Naruto>Sasuke simple as that.

We know Jinchuuriki are humans with living entity in their body being powered up, while a EMS user is a human using someone else Sharingan eye to power up and not go blind.

Basically a Bijuu is trapped inside a host body powering up the human, making them Jinchuuriki
While EMS user takes someone eye to power up and not go blind


But what about Naruto getting a arm replacement, I don't think that count as outside source. I mean it not like Naruto is making someone lose anything.

What about Obito half Zetsu body? He isn't causing someone to lose body part.
 

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Madara didn't borrow power from Hashirama, no, he borrowed cells, cells aren't power, cells are cells. Right?
 

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Madara didn't borrow power from Hashirama, no, he borrowed cells, cells aren't power, cells are cells. Right?

Madara taking Hashirama Cell doesn't cause Hashirama to lose anything, Hashirama can just regenerate easy those cells.
 

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genetically naruto has minato+kushina+kurama DNA

even if he wasnt jin of kurama

he still has kurama DNA
 

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genetically naruto has minato+kushina+kurama DNA

even if he wasnt jin of kurama

he still has kurama DNA

So your saying even if Naruto wasn't a Jinchuuriki, but because Kushina was that means Naruto has Kurama DNA? Well it does makes sense but we have to wait and see since Boruto is in that situation.

Boruto has Kurama whiskers, let see what Boruto development are due to Naruto being a Jinchuuriki of all the Bijuus.
 

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Madara taking Hashirama Cell doesn't cause Hashirama to lose anything, Hashirama can just regenerate easy those cells.

How does that change the analogy in any way at all?
 

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I don't see Kurama anywhere....
 
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