BM Tenten with Bashoshen VS 3T Sasuke

[Edo Odin]

Your restrictions are ridiculous, and clearly intended to make Tenten win this match up. You restricted pretty much everything Sasuke has in his arsenal, aside from his Raiton and Katon techniques, neither of which are getting through the defense granted by the BM Mode. Whether he'll even be able to hit Tenten with the enhanced speed she will be granted is debatable, and he certainly isn't going to be able to defend against BM Mode enhanced attacks from the Banana Fan.

Seemingly, people aren't really comprehending just how much of a boost the BM grants.

 

[TheTailedSage]

The cage is way bigger than even the juubi. Saying they simply jumped up onto the tails is absolute BS. The juubi make them look like ants. They had to cover some distance in order to get to the juubi first and considering the size of the juubi i would say they would have to be running pretty dam fast to get there that quick without the juubi attacking them.

What the hell am I reading here?

-They flew to the Juubi's head, not jumped. That's a manga fact no matter how hard you want to deny it. Does this look like jumping to you? [

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] Clearly not.

-Already showed a scan that shows them jumping into the air (nowhere near its head) and then them flying towards its head yet you come here and say "Its BS"? If we've come to the point where you want to disregard manga fact then by all means just stop now, cause you aren't going to get anywhere with this nonsense.

-Also, that barrier is the one Obito set up, where the hell do you see that in

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scan? I explicitly stated "A CAGE MADE FROM THE JUUBI'S TAILS"



-That cloak grants a larger boost in their attacks.

-That cloak can be controlled by Naruto from afar.

-That cloak looks different.

I'm making things up? Funny coming from the guy who is trying to argue that there is a speed boost, a nonexistent one at that.

Them not being the same cloak already shits on your stupid notion of handing over feats to others because they have the same or in this case similar cloaks. By your shitty logic KN6 Naruto should equal Gin and Kin when they are in 6 tailed mode since they wear the same cloak, but of course, Naruto is far better in every single category.



I don't need to back up something that doesn't exist, do you not realize how stupid that sounds? That's like me trying to back up that Itachi can use Izanagi despite nothing in the manga ever hinting that he could. That's like me trying to back up the notion that Naruto can use Fire Ball Jutsu despite it never happening in the manga. They never showed a speed boost so they don't get one, that alone is evidence sufficient to say they don't get a speed boost, until its shown or stated that they do, the cloak's abilities were clearly stated and increased Ninjutsu was pretty much the only thing it got standalone.


You really haven't. You've been attempting to back up your claim with invalid evidence.

-Handing over feats from other cloaks.

-Saying that there is a speed boost unless I prove there isn't.



This is pretty damn ironic coming from the guy who is handing feats from other cloaks to this cloak guessing that they do the same things.

Take your own advice.

Itachi and sasukes Susano'o looks different but the base purpose is still the same.This is getting us no where, Seriously just going to have to agree to disagree because were only repeating ourselves. Im not the only one whos saying It grants enhanced speed

 

[KidGamer65]

Susano'o looks different but the purpose is still the same.This is getting us no where, Seriously just going to have to agree to disagree because were only repeating ourselves

Susanoo looks different and differs for every single user, they all have different abilities so using that as an example here doesn't help you at all.

But fine, I'm cool with agreeing to disagree.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Susanoo looks different and differs for every single user, they all have different abilities so using that as an example here doesn't help you at all.

But fine, I'm cool with agreeing to disagree.

But the base purpose to offer a strong defence doesn't change. Im not a butthurt debater so i have to give you credit for at least putting up a fight. It was interesting

 

[KidGamer65]

But the base purpose to offer a strong defence doesn't change. Im not a butthurt debater so i have to give you credit for at least putting up a fight. It was interesting

That's only one aspect, your comparison only works if you prove they are all the same in every way but look different, which isn't true.

lmao, same here. Props to you.

 

[Icelerate]

If you can show me where their speed increased then it will apply, but since there has never been a hint of a speed boost for people who got a cloak, its invalid here.

Well all jinchurikies that we have seen in a manga have shown a tremendous boost in speed when they use the chakra of their bijuu even in slight amounts. As a matter of fact, even part one Gaara, who is extremely slow, managed to

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to almost overwhelm part one Sasuke, who was actually fast. Since he wasn't a perfect jinchuriki without the control the the bijuu's chakra, it goes to show that anyone with bijuu chakra gets a speed increase regardless of whether they are the jinchuriki. Just because the Allied Shinobi Force hasn't shown a noticeable speed increase doesn't mean their speed didn't increase because all of them got the speed boost so we can't tell the difference. Also their opponents are god level where an increase in speed from Kyubbi cloaks isn't going to change the outcome of the fight anyway hence Kishi won't bother emphasizing such a small detail.

The rest shows that she won't get blitzed, but she definitely isn't winning this. I hope you don't think she's winning this match up, I really hope you don't. Not when the only thing that's been buffed is her chakra level so she can use the fan more times.

Actually the area of effect and the power of ninjutsu is dramatically increased by Kyubbi cloaks. I never said she is winning this as she doesn't have any feats to prove she is that powerful even with the cloak but going by logical reasoning, I'd say she probably can.

You have to keep in mind that the Banana fan grants

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as indicated by the bottom left panel I posted. This means that Tenten can counter any of Sasuke's elemental ninjutsu and overpower it due to having more elements and more powerful attacks.

It being weapon from the Sage doesn't matter when she its not enough to beat him. It being a cloak from Naruto doesn't matter when she can't even make use of its most important function, powering up ninjutsu. She uses weapons, and those are going to stay the same as Naruto's cloak doesn't increase those.

Why can't she power up the ninjutsu used by the Sage's fan? Temari's wind cast net attack seemed to be on a whole other level

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than

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when she and some others fought the 3rd Raikage.

Then he's gonna have to take her by surprise instead of running up front.

I might be wrong but unlike

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and

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, Sasuke sucks at stealth and often tries blitzing by rushing his opponent head on as shown against

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,

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and

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. In that last panel, it was shown that Sasuke's recklessness caused him to get hit by Darui's suiton but if he had decided to use a more lethal attack, Sasuke would be dead right than and there. Tenten could do the same in this situation.

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taking Deidara out from behind him, unlike the cases where Itachi and Kakashi completely caught their opponent off guard, Deidara was able to

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.

Gonna need some evidence for this unfounded statement, and like I said, BM cloak isn't increasing speed, unless somebody has some proof. So no, the higher speed doesn't become a complete non factor.

So in the absence of definite evidence, you choose to completely ignore a highly likely possibility?

Anyway here I found something else supporting my case. Notice in the

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that Deidara says by increasing his chakra to C1 level, he'll be able to keep up with Sasuke's movements much better. So an increase in chakra flowing through your body definitely increases reaction speed and considering the usage of chakra is the basis of shunshin, it also increases shunshin speed. This increase in chakra to C1 level is what allowed Deidara to counter and dodge his own explosion right after detonating it to escape from Sasuke (

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[Stark]

Sasuke speed blitz

 

[adeshina365]

How did this thread reach two pages? Sasuke stomps.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well all jinchurikies that we have seen in a manga have shown a tremendous boost in speed when they use the chakra of their bijuu even in slight amounts. As a matter of fact, even part one Gaara, who is extremely slow, managed to

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to almost overwhelm part one Sasuke, who was actually fast. Since he wasn't a perfect jinchuriki without the control the the bijuu's chakra, it goes to show that anyone with bijuu chakra gets a speed increase regardless of whether they are the jinchuriki. Just because the Allied Shinobi Force hasn't shown a noticeable speed increase doesn't mean their speed didn't increase because all of them got the speed boost so we can't tell the difference. Also their opponents are god level where an increase in speed from Kyubbi cloaks isn't going to change the outcome of the fight anyway hence Kishi won't bother emphasizing such a small detail.

Those are Jins using their Bijuu's chakra, not Allied Shinobi Forces using a fraction of Naruto's and Kurama's chakra. You say that it not being shown doesn't mean that there is no speed boost, even though every, single one of the cloak's benefits were highlighted during the time it was in use.

-Ability to be controlled by Naruto. Highlighted.

-Grants defense. Highlighted.

-Powers up Ninjutsu. Highlighted.

-Speed. Never mentioned or implied.

Actually the area of effect and the power of ninjutsu is dramatically increased by Kyubbi cloaks. I never said she is winning this as she doesn't have any feats to prove she is that powerful even with the cloak but going by logical reasoning, I'd say she probably can.

You have to keep in mind that the Banana fan grants

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as indicated by the bottom left panel I posted. This means that Tenten can counter any of Sasuke's elemental ninjutsu and overpower it due to having more elements and more powerful attacks.

If he decides to attack her upfront, he can easily get around the Ninjutsu fired off by the fan, and easily counter attack Tenten afterwards.

Why can't she power up the ninjutsu used by the Sage's fan? Temari's wind cast net attack seemed to be on a whole other level

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than

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when she and some others fought the 3rd Raikage.

Temari is using her own chakra to create the Wind element and use it as an attack, since her chakra is being powered up by Naruto's chakra, the Wind element jutsu she produces will be stronger.

Tenten isn't producing the Nature Element that is used by the Banana Fan on her own, the fan itself produces the element and since the fan isn't the thing getting the power up, the scale will be exactly the same as it will be

I might be wrong but unlike

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and

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, Sasuke sucks at stealth and often tries blitzing by rushing his opponent head on as shown against

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,

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and

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. In that last panel, it was shown that Sasuke's recklessness caused him to get hit by Darui's suiton but if he had decided to use a more lethal attack, Sasuke would be dead right than and there. Tenten could do the same in this situation.

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taking Deidara out from behind him, unlike the cases where Itachi and Kakashi completely caught their opponent off guard, Deidara was able to

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.

Alright then, but those instances depict people who are much faster and have far better reaction timing than Tenten does. Her being able to do something means nothing unless she can react to him.

So in the absence of definite evidence, you choose to completely ignore a highly likely possibility?

Your argument is based off of the performance of other cloaks, when there is a distinct difference between every type of cloak used in this manga.

Anyway here I found something else supporting my case. Notice in the

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that Deidara says by increasing his chakra to C1 level, he'll be able to keep up with Sasuke's movements much better. So an increase in chakra flowing through your body definitely increases reaction speed and considering the usage of chakra is the basis of shunshin, it also increases shunshin speed. This increase in chakra to C1 level is what allowed Deidara to counter and dodge his own explosion right after detonating it to escape from Sasuke (

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). This is explained by Deidara himself in the bottom-left panel.

Ok, I'll say that the cloak increases speed, but since it was never highlighted in the manga, we have pretty much zero base to say how fast she'll get.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Sasuke still shits on her.

 

[miromiro]

Sasuke wins with some struggle.