BM Tenten with Bashoshen VS 3T Sasuke

[Curse Mark]

Tenten is a weapon master and she is good with cqc but she is rarely shown. We have to go for the anime to show how tough tenten is

LOOL, no we dont.

 

[Red Slayer]

girl wins

 

[NewKageism]

LOOL, no we dont.

Don't hate on tenten.

Love tenten

Anyways Sasuke still have this, but tenten gets a 10 out of 10 for effort.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

KC cloak Hinata blocked the Juubi's attack with an air palm
it's safe to say BM cloak enhances the user's abilities on an even higher scale

some might think BM cloak only enhances the users ninjutsu, but let's not forget that it's still similar to Kyuubi cloak and Kyuubi cloak GATELESS Lee kicked Madara in half... with his base speed he couldn't have done that because Madara (considering his reaction-time) could have easily blocked it with his weapon (cannot recall its name)
in short BM should enhance the users physical parameters including his/her speed and durability. MS Sasuke could still win mostly due to his MS jutsus however 3t Sasuke, with these restrictions, is outmatched

 

[TrollingSage]

madara was edo so he didn't care

itachi had time to throw up susanoo before lightning and you think madara can't throw one up before rock lee?

He lost his connection the juubi because of that attack. I am pretty sure he didnt want that. Also, Itachi saw Kirin coming a long time before Sasuke launched the attack. Hell, Sasuke even announced the attack.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

sasuke forms chidori lance and cuts her in half

 

[TheTailedSage]

If you can show me where their speed increased then it will apply, but since there has never been a hint of a speed boost for people who got a cloak, its invalid here.

The rest shows that she won't get blitzed, but she definitely isn't winning this. I hope you don't think she's winning this match up, I really hope you don't. Not when the only thing that's been buffed is her chakra level so she can use the fan more times.


It being weapon from the Sage doesn't matter when she its not enough to beat him. It being a cloak from Naruto doesn't matter when she can't even make use of its most important function, powering up ninjutsu. She uses weapons, and those are going to stay the same as Naruto's cloak doesn't increase those.


Then he's gonna have to take her by surprise instead of running up front.



Gonna need some evidence for this unfounded statement, and like I said, BM cloak isn't increasing speed, unless somebody has some proof. So no, the higher speed doesn't become a complete non factor.



No it doesn't. There has never been a shown speed increase. Lee didn't blitz Madara, Gai propelled him toward Madara

My question to you would be if it doesn't increase speed then what the hell does it do? we have seen narutos speed increase when hes in this mode so why does anything different happen for Tenten?? Charka enhancement as well gives sasuke a decent fight

 

[KidGamer65]

My question to you would be if it doesn't increase speed then what the hell does it do? we have seen narutos speed increase when hes in this mode so why does anything different happen for Tenten?? Charka enhancement as well gives sasuke a decent fight

We've already seen what it does.

-Increased Ninjutsu's power.
-More chakra.
-Works as a barrier.

Speed is not one of them, I don't care what happened to Naruto because he is using all of Kurama's chakra, he isn't using a small piece of it.

It really doesn't. It just gives her the ability to use Bashosen multiple times. Not enough to defeat Sasuke, not even close.

 

[xcoyote]

We've already seen what it does.

-Increased Ninjutsu's power.
-More chakra.
-Works as a barrier.

Speed is not one of them, I don't care what happened to Naruto because he is using all of Kurama's chakra, he isn't using a small piece of it.

It really doesn't. It just gives her the ability to use Bashosen multiple times. Not enough to defeat Sasuke, not even close.

Dont really care who wins here,but arent these cloaks essentially V1 cloaks,the one Nardo used in the Vote fight?
If i remember correctly his speed kinda skyrocketed.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dont really care who wins here,but arent these cloaks essentially V1 cloaks,the one Nardo used in the Vote fight?
If i remember correctly his speed kinda skyrocketed.

It looks similar (This one is orange, the one at VoTE was red and had tails, the one Naruto's friens wear doesn't), but its definitely different as we've yet to see anyone have any kind of speed boost when using this cloak. Not to mention that cloak derives from directly from the Bijuu so it has more potent effects, similar to how Naruto and the Gin/Kin bros can all use V2 6 tails, but Naruto's is far far far far stronger then both of theirs combined.

Its also shown that speed and power increase with the number of tails, but these guys have no tails on theirs.

 

[TheTailedSage]

We've already seen what it does.

-Increased Ninjutsu's power.
-More chakra.
-Works as a barrier.

Speed is not one of them, I don't care what happened to Naruto because he is using all of Kurama's chakra, he isn't using a small piece of it.

It really doesn't. It just gives her the ability to use Bashosen multiple times. Not enough to defeat Sasuke, not even close.

But your contradicting yourself. Regardless of weather naruto had 100% kurama the fact remains that kurama charka increases speed. He only had 50% when he was up against Raikage and was faster than his faster punch. Therefore its proven that even cloak increases speed. 1 tail part 1 narutos speed was increased so what makes this mode any different?? I know TenTen is fodder but you cant avoid the facts

 

[KidGamer65]

But your contradicting yourself. Regardless of weather naruto had 100% kurama the fact remains that kurama charka increases speed. He only had 50% when he was up against Raikage and was faster than his faster punch. Therefore its proven that even cloak increases speed. 1 tail part 1 narutos speed was increased so what makes this mode any different?? I know TenTen is fodder but you cant avoid the facts

No, I'm not. Naruto has much more chakra than they have and enters a completely different mode than they do, so giving his feats of getting increased speed to TenTen isn't working here.

Since when was increased speed an attribute of Kurama's chakra? Obito's speed increased dramatically when he got the Juubi, B's speed increases when he uses Gyuki's chakra. So no, you're wrong. Ginkaku and Kinkaku could enter Version 2 up to 6 tails just like Naruto can, by your logic we should hand over Naruto's feats to them despite Naruto displaying that he is much stronger and the bros displaying they are much weaker.

The fact that Naruto has Kurama, she doesn't, which clearly matters as shown with Ginkaku and Kinkaku's Jinchuuriki forms. The fact that the V1 cloak he used at VoTE is completely different. The fact that no one has displayed the slightest hint of increased speed, just increased power.

 

[TheTailedSage]

No, I'm not. Naruto has much more chakra than they have and enters a completely different mode than they do, so giving his feats of getting increased speed to TenTen isn't working here.

Since when was increased speed an attribute of Kurama's chakra? Obito's speed increased dramatically when he got the Juubi, B's speed increases when he uses Gyuki's chakra. So no, you're wrong. Ginkaku and Kinkaku could enter Version 2 up to 6 tails just like Naruto can, by your logic we should hand over Naruto's feats to them despite Naruto displaying that he is much stronger and the bros displaying they are much weaker.

The fact that Naruto has Kurama, she doesn't, which clearly matters as shown with Ginkaku and Kinkaku's Jinchuuriki forms. The fact that the V1 cloak he used at VoTE is completely different. The fact that no one has displayed the slightest hint of increased speed, just increased power.

This means absolutely nothing although i see your point. The fact that they have the cloak or mode is in itself evidence of the speed increase. Lee is a perfect example. Hell i could even use the ASF as a speculation.

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As you can clearly see, they are keeping up with naruto with their pursuit on obito and madara, Their speed in thi scan is obviously been increased since they are able to almost keep up with naruto. If your going to say naruto adjusted his speed to their own you would be wrong.

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They had to go as fast as they can to ensure a direct hit and in this scan Lee is running on par with naruto. There is no reason to believe at this point that naruto is slowing down because they are literally meters away from madara and obito.

 

[KidGamer65]

I hope that this isn't your proof. Then you'd be attempting to assert that the whole alliance moves as fast as Naruto does when cloaked despite that being clearly false even if they all got a boost. By your logic two people, TenTen and BM Naruto are equal in speed despite Naruto's boost being much bigger than her's.

lmao, you can't be serious.

This means absolutely nothing although i see your point. The fact that they have the cloak or mode is in itself evidence of the speed increase. Lee is a perfect example. Hell i could even use the ASF as a speculation.

Already showed why its not, so saying that it is isn't helping your argument here. At all.

As you can clearly see, they are keeping up with naruto with their pursuit on obito and madara, Their speed in thi scan is obviously been increased since they are able to almost keep up with naruto. If your going to say naruto adjusted his speed to their own you would be wrong.

They ran for a short distance. jumped and flew toward the Uchiha on top of the Juubi. Them keeping up with Naruto in mid air isn't a speed feat, as foot speed doesn't apply when you are in mid air. The only thing you can say is that they kept up with Naruto mid air, not a speed feat.

They had to go as fast as they can to ensure a direct hit and in this scan Lee is running on par with naruto. There is no reason to believe at this point that naruto is slowing down because they are literally meters away from madara and obito.

You can't be serious right now. They are clearly

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if you bothered to actually look at that scan, they clearly aren't aren't running unless you believe ninja can walk on air now.

Nothing in your post shows that their speed increased. At all.

 

[TheTailedSage]

I hope that this isn't your proof. Then you'd be attempting to assert that the whole alliance moves as fast as Naruto does when cloaked despite that being clearly false even if they all got a boost. By your logic two people, TenTen and BM Naruto are equal in speed despite Naruto's boost being much bigger than her's.

lmao, you can't be serious.

The fact that Madara and Obito didnt even know what was going on when they got attacked shows some indication of speed feats increased. When i said they kept up with naruto i mean no one was left eating dust far behind naruto. Lets say he did have to adjust his speed to suit theirs, he couldn't of slowed down a huge amount. Yes naruto is faster than all of them but because they have a fraction of that chakra their speed is boosted. I hate using sakura as an example but when she channels her chakra correctly, she gains speed boost. Applying this rule to this discussion, this is kurama chakra so the effects are going to be greater than that of normal blue chakra. Your saying It does absolutely nothing to speed? In that logic Lee didnt hit Madara when rasen shuriken reached obito which he obviously did DUE TO SPEED BOOST


Already showed why its not, so saying that it is isn't helping your argument here. At all.
And its a mere speculation so it help neither of us in that case


They ran for a short distance. jumped and flew toward the Uchiha on top of the Juubi. Them keeping up with Naruto in mid air isn't a speed feat, as foot speed doesn't apply when you are in mid air. The only thing you can say is that they kept up with Naruto mid air, not a speed feat.

Did i say foot speed or did i say Speed feats (meaning speed in general). Because your in the air, this doesn't affect your default speed in kurama state. Of course they wont be as fast as if they were to run on ground but your completely disregarding the fact that Lee hit madara. Saying madara couldnt use even genjutsu isnt really an excuse. Either its the cloak that rose lees speed or its his base speed and we both know lee isnt that fast in his base.


You can't be serious right now. They are clearly

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if you bothered to actually look at that scan, they clearly aren't aren't running unless you believe ninja can walk on air now.

Nothing in your post shows that their speed increased. At all.

But if that's the case then were in the same boat because you haven't shown me anything that even suggest they don't have a speed boost.

Your logic is making more sense but you haven't shown any solid proof. We will have to agree to disagree

 

[KidGamer65]

The fact that Madara and Obito didnt even know what was going on when they got attacked shows some indication of speed feats increased. When i said they kept up with naruto i mean no one was left eating dust far behind naruto. Lets say he did have to adjust his speed to suit theirs, he couldn't of slowed down a huge amount. Yes naruto is faster than all of them but because they have a fraction of that chakra their speed is boosted. I hate using sakura as an example but when she channels her chakra correctly, she gains speed boost. Applying this rule to this discussion, this is kurama chakra so the effects are going to be greater than that of normal blue chakra. Your saying It does absolutely nothing to speed? In that logic Lee didnt hit Madara when rasen shuriken reached obito which he obviously did DUE TO SPEED BOOST

They were in mid air, you can't run in mid air so foot speed doesn't apply. How hard is this to understand?

Ok? Doesn't change the fact that his boost is bigger than their boost meaning their speed is inferior to his,

Him slowing down is irrelevant as they were flying through the air, their speed doesn't have any impact on that.

I've seen nothing that shows it increases speed so I'm not going to say it increases speed. That's stupid.

Did i say foot speed or did i say Speed feats (meaning speed in general). Because your in the air, this doesn't affect your default speed in kurama state. Of course they wont be as fast as if they were to run on ground but your completely disregarding the fact that Lee hit madara. Saying madara couldnt use even genjutsu isnt really an excuse. Either its the cloak that rose lees speed or its his base speed and we both know lee isnt that fast in his base.

Their speed isn't a factor in air, because they aren't moving at their own speed. They are in free fall. So again, nothing you are saying makes any sense nor does it apply here as they weren't running, they weren't using their speed so I'm going to need some proof that their speed increased. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.

Lee hitting Madara is completely irrelevant here as:

1. Didn't use his own speed, he was in free fall.
2. Gai propelled him toward Madara.

But if that's the case then were in the same boat because you haven't shown me anything that even suggest they don't have a speed boost.

Do you even know how a debate works? People who pull this nonsense irritate me to no end. You made the claim that speed has been boosted so you have to prove it, something you failed to do as there is no evidence that speed was boosted. I don't need evidence to say they don't have a speed boost when they haven't even shown one.

We aren't in the same boat, you haven't proved your claim so you are wrong. Its as simple as that and doesn't get any simpler.

 

[TheTailedSage]

They were in mid air, you can't run in mid air so foot speed doesn't apply. How hard is this to understand?

Ok? Doesn't change the fact that his boost is bigger than their boost meaning their speed is inferior to his,

So you now admit that the cloak does in fact increase speed??

Him slowing down is irrelevant as they were flying through the air, their speed doesn't have any impact on that.

While they were all running together we saw the formation and we saw the alliance running at a fast pace with K11 at the front. Im suggesting that speed has actually increased since its a manga fact that cloak increases speed.

I've seen nothing that shows it increases speed so I'm not going to say it increases speed. That's stupid.

But you cant prove that it doesn't increase speed so in that sense none of us can fully defend our logic, Your thing about only Jins having a speed boost is a mere assumption.


Their speed isn't a factor in air, because they aren't moving at their own speed. They are in free fall. So again, nothing you are saying makes any sense nor does it apply here as they weren't running, they weren't using their speed so I'm going to need some proof that their speed increased. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.

But isnt this down to pure ignorance?? Ive already explained the concept by giving you an example of how sakura increases her speed via chakra (thats a manga fact) but fine ill give you the closest thing to proof


Lee hitting Madara is completely irrelevant here as:

1. Didn't use his own speed, he was in free fall.
2. Gai propelled him toward Madara.



Do you even know how a debate works? People who pull this nonsense irritate me to no end. You made the claim that speed has been boosted so you have to prove it, something you failed to do as there is no evidence that speed was boosted. I don't need evidence to say they don't have a speed boost when they haven't even shown one.

We aren't in the same boat, you haven't proved your claim so you are wrong. Its as simple as that and doesn't get any simpler.

Considering you haven't provided proof of your speculation i would have to ask you the exact same question. Give me proof. You accuse me of no proof yet you fail to provide your own proof.

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Do i even need to explain why this proves a fraction of my point?? or are you goign to continue being ignorant and ignore this as well as the part 1 naruto cloak example. I have more evidence for it than you do against it. If thats the case then we are in the same boat, you have yet to prove your statement correct. Cloak doesn't come with half the attributes. Talk that good stuff after you have proven me wrong

 

[KidGamer65]

So you now admit that the cloak does in fact increase speed??

Nope. I was speaking in hypothetical terms. I've seen nothing to show a boost so there is no boost.

While they were all running together we saw the formation and we saw the alliance running at a fast pace with K11 at the front. Im suggesting that speed has actually increased since its a manga fact that cloak increases speed.

They didn't run, and if they did it was for a very short distance, they were in a cage made from the Juubi's tails and they jumped up, as the scan shows. [

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Bold is false. Its not a manga fact that this cloak increases speed as it was never shown or stated it did so. That is you handing over feats from other cloaks when they all work differently.

But you cant prove that it doesn't increase speed so in that sense none of us can fully defend our logic, Your thing about only Jins having a speed boost is a mere assumption.

I'm just going to leave this here since you obviously don't understand the concept.

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Burden of Proof: The obligation of a party to provide sufficient evidence in support of their side of a dispute or issue.

You made the claim that this particular cloak increases speed so YOU need to prove that it does, I don't need to prove that it doesn't, that makes no sense. You are basically saying that since I can't prove it doesn't increase speed, then it must increase speed even though you made the claim it increases speed but can't back it up.

Do i even need to explain why this proves a fraction of my point?? or are you goign to continue being ignorant and ignore this as well as the part 1 naruto cloak example. I have more evidence for it than you do against it. If thats the case then we are in the same boat, you have yet to prove your statement correct. Cloak doesn't come with half the attributes. Talk that good stuff after you have proven me wrong

I'm not going to bother wasting my time with a guy who can only spout "Prove me wrong or I'm right" despite that not being how it works. All you can do is take feats from other cloaks and hand them out to this cloak despite me already showing why that line of thinking is completely idiotic.

Give me proof for your claim or don't bother replying, its really as simple as that.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Nope. I was speaking in hypothetical terms. I've seen nothing to show a boost so there is no boost.



They didn't run, and if they did it was for a very short distance, they were in a cage made from the Juubi's tails and they jumped up, as the scan shows. [

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MY POINT EXACTLY!! Do you know how big this cage is?? Now implicitly your belittling the cages size in radius

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The cage is way bigger than even the juubi. Saying they simply jumped up onto the tails is absolute BS. The juubi make them look like ants. They had to cover some distance in order to get to the juubi first and considering the size of the juubi i would say they would have to be running pretty dam fast to get there that quick without the juubi attacking them.


Bold is false. Its not a manga fact that this cloak increases speed as it was never shown or stated it did so. That is you handing over feats from other cloaks when they all work differently.

Again, no proof to even back that statement up, Can you prove they work differently? now your making things up. i cant even call this speculation.



I'm just going to leave this here since you obviously don't understand the concept.

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Since you were the one who made the bold statement that cloak doesnt increase speed then its you who needs to have a look that that website mate. You made the claim so you handle the proof, which you do not possess because you cant. Its a SPE.CU.LA.TION and not a good one either

You made the claim that this particular cloak increases speed so YOU need to prove that it does, I don't need to prove that it doesn't, that makes no sense. You are basically saying that since I can't prove it doesn't increase speed, then it must increase speed even though you made the claim it increases speed but can't back it up.

Ive shown you more than 3 scans and given you manga scenarios of my statement. The only one which is flawed is the ASF running. The rest pretty much gives my statement some backbone. By saying this, means you cant prove it and if my arguments contains more evidence than yours then i would say this discussion is edging in my favour. Ive been backing it up this entire time and im not even the one who made the first claim.



I'm not going to bother wasting my time with a guy who can only spout "Prove me wrong or I'm right" despite that not being how it works. All you can do is take feats from other cloaks and hand them out to this cloak despite me already showing why that line of thinking is completely idiotic.

Give me proof for your claim or don't bother replying, its really as simple as that.

Ive given you proof but ignorance has gotten the better of you. If you plan to base your argument on guesses then i beg of you to stop right there and abandon thread

 

[KidGamer65]

MY POINT EXACTLY!! Do you know how big this cage is?? Now implicitly your belittling the cages size in radius

The cage is way bigger than even the juubi. Saying they simply jumped up onto the tails is absolute BS. The juubi make them look like ants. They had to cover some distance in order to get to the juubi first and considering the size of the juubi i would say they would have to be running pretty dam fast to get there that quick without the juubi attacking them.[/QUOTE]

What the hell am I reading here?

-They flew to the Juubi's head, not jumped. That's a manga fact no matter how hard you want to deny it. Does this look like jumping to you? [

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-Already showed a scan that shows them jumping into the air (nowhere near its head) and then them flying towards its head yet you come here and say "Its BS"? If we've come to the point where you want to disregard manga fact then by all means just stop now, cause you aren't going to get anywhere with this nonsense.

-Also, that barrier is the one Obito set up, where the hell do you see that in

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scan? I explicitly stated "A CAGE MADE FROM THE JUUBI'S TAILS"

Again, no proof to even back that statement up, Can you prove they work differently? now your making things up. i cant even call this speculation.

-That cloak grants a larger boost in their attacks.

-That cloak can be controlled by Naruto from afar.

-That cloak looks different.

I'm making things up? Funny coming from the guy who is trying to argue that there is a speed boost, a nonexistent one at that.

Them not being the same cloak already shits on your stupid notion of handing over feats to others because they have the same or in this case similar cloaks. By your shitty logic KN6 Naruto should equal Gin and Kin when they are in 6 tailed mode since they wear the same cloak, but of course, Naruto is far better in every single category.

Since you were the one who made the bold statement that cloak doesnt increase speed then its you who needs to have a look that that website mate. You made the claim so you handle the proof, which you do not possess because you cant. Its a SPE.CU.LA.TION and not a good one either

I don't need to back up something that doesn't exist, do you not realize how stupid that sounds? That's like me trying to back up that Itachi can use Izanagi despite nothing in the manga ever hinting that he could. That's like me trying to back up the notion that Naruto can use Fire Ball Jutsu despite it never happening in the manga. They never showed a speed boost so they don't get one, that alone is evidence sufficient to say they don't get a speed boost, until its shown or stated that they do, the cloak's abilities were clearly stated and increased Ninjutsu was pretty much the only thing it got standalone.

Ive shown you more than 3 scans and given you manga scenarios of my statement. The only one which is flawed is the ASF running. The rest pretty much gives my statement some backbone. By saying this, means you cant prove it and if my arguments contains more evidence than yours then i would say this discussion is edging in my favour. Ive been backing it up this entire time and im not even the one who made the first claim.

You really haven't. You've been attempting to back up your claim with invalid evidence.

-Handing over feats from other cloaks.

-Saying that there is a speed boost unless I prove there isn't.

Ive given you proof but ignorance has gotten the better of you. If you plan to base your argument on guesses then i beg of you to stop right there and abandon thread

This is pretty damn ironic coming from the guy who is handing feats from other cloaks to this cloak guessing that they do the same things.

Take your own advice.