[VS] BM Minato vs Obito with jins
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Brother Numpsay
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I hope this obvious evidence have any proof that it does. I would like for him to actually rely on pure speed instead of relying on FTG. Unfortunate , FTG plays an important role to his speed 95 percent of the time. Your getting to comfortable with throwing Naruto BM feats to Minato. Minato had so many panel time to use BM cloak attacks like Naruto, especially like chakra arms jutsu. That alone shows that Naruto has its differences to how Minato can use it.
So you listed 2 so far. Who else did he encounter. Bee and Ay. Well Bee was ready to counter Minato but both decide not to finish each other off so thats another one. We also have Teen Obito catching [
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]. So basically all his major battles he was able to get touch, meaning he is not invincible and "untouchable". Are you now getting that different attack deals with different damage?
Exactly it barely scratched Naruto and was able to burn him, which means he is not tanking it if a direct hit nor is Minato. That goes for all the other jutsu's the 6 jins have used against Naruto. Minato cloak is not saving him from their base forms. If he relies on tanking it with Full BM then the 6 jins Full BM will deal damage.
Their side jutsu's can, first and for most, since they deal different damage. Juubi laser could of killed him if it was the Full Laser one [
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ReverseZero12
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Minato mid to high diff. Not very hard to work it out. BM Minato is pretty much BM Naruto (in terms of raw power) + FTG.
Base minato didn't match up to Rinnegan Obito due to his lack of fire power. Now that he has that firepower due to BM + his proficiency with FTG, it's safe to say that he can take this midd to high diff.
Base minato didn't match up to Rinnegan Obito due to his lack of fire power. Now that he has that firepower due to BM + his proficiency with FTG, it's safe to say that he can take this midd to high diff.
pateuvasiliu
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He already blitzed Sasuke and Naruto in KCM form, despite them running in the same direction.
That means that not only did Minato run faster than them, he ran so fast that they didn't even see him coming.
As for BM, there's no reason to assume he can't do anything Naruto can bar FRS, which is simply impossible due to Minato not having Air Release.
Oh boy, I sure do hate that Bee scan.
When are people gonna realise Minato didn't want to kill Bee?
Bee can't react to FTG. He can't even react to Ay, how can he react to Minato, whom is an infinite times faster?
And if you want an explanation to why Bee reacted to FTG whereas Obito could not ( despite seeing it happen ).
- Minato didn't want to kill Bee
- Minato simply improved his speed between the two encounters
As for Obito catching Minato that was due to the chains, which were perfect in tandem with his Kamui ( he can't catch you with his hands due to warping himself but the chains will do ).
Still, it was far from actually landing a hit on Minato.
Naruto was barely scratched and seconds later he didn't have the scratch anymore ( the kyuubi chakra heals you ). Minato not only has half of the Kyuubi in chakra ( whereas KCM Naruto had but a small portion ), he also has BM, which is even tankier.
Not to mention Roshi isn't hitting Minato.
Like.
Ever.
How will they even touch him?
Those jins are barely as fast as Kakashi.
Minato dodged and countered Ay. They're a joke compared.
Also let's not forget controlling 6 Jins takes Obito a lot of chakra, whereas Minato has a nigh infinite reserve.
Minato marks all the Bijuu then use ST barrier to teleport their Bijuudama to blast one another. He could also seal them within himself. Minato's BM reflexes are too great to fall victim to Obito's sneak attacka and since Obito can use the Rinnegan, his death is pretty much imminent.
Gold Lightning
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Brother Numpsay
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No he didn't, the motion of that scan happening shows it going up/downwards, meaning he is jumping in the way. I can show countless of scans of characters doing the same thing. That doesn't prove he moves any faster then already shown in the manga. Plus Naruto had to stay on par with Sasuke's speed despite being faster then him. So once again no evidence. They were surprise, since they didn't understand what he was doing, getting in the way when the attacks landed on him.
Nope no evidence once again he had so many screen time to prove it and yet didn't and showed he need to rely on hos own jutsu w/ Kyuubi. Examples: He was forced to use
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to save Naruto and Sasuke but no, Naruto had to use his Chakra arm
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. Minato lost his arm, and didn't even use chakra arm to substitute it. Evidence two:
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Still shows that speed alone doesn't give him boost from using the Kyuubi. So when are you going to give evidence? Because you can't despite that I already shown he doesn't get what Naruto gets. When are you going realize Bee was ready to counter regardless of the situation of intent to kill or NOT? Your denying the manga at this point. FTG relies on teleporting more then speed so there is no point comparing reacting to speed and reacting to teleport. Obito didn't see ftg level 2 happen, what you talking about? Minato saw that coming, waiting for Obito to solidify to grab him again thats why he used his teleport to take advantage. Wrong again, so far all his major battles proves that you can still surprise Minato, thus shows that he is untouchable. Sorry you cant argue that he is ,especially against 6 other opponents who he has no idea about their abilities. Nice wasy of pointing out the jins speed since even not being faster then Naruto, they were still able to land attacks on him, thanks for the evidence that speed doesn't mean you counter everything, especially against 6 powerful opponents.
I hope you dont single out my arguments when I'm talking about all 6 jins together and not just roshi. Roshi was to explain that his jutsu's can damage cloak.
I just said that their attacks CAN deal damage if it was a direct hit, thats why Naruto could not tank any direct hits from the jins. I suggest you re read that chapter. Look at every situation he was in when he encounter their jutsu. And imagine if he were to take them all completely. It won't be good for the main character. I also explain that if BM Minato is taking place then using 6 jins BM mode will make up for the damaging.
Why point out about chakra uses when despite its not going be a problem for Obito to use them to defeat Minato regardless?
Brother Numpsay
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Mask man has a new look so expecting FTG means just waiting out underground, so minato won't picked that up instantly
Gold Lightning
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Minato knew he had his mark on Obito as soon as he returned from the kamui dimension and slashed his throat. Meaning Minato can sense his seals, or can feel when he has marked someone. And he didn't even know it was the same masked man because he was wearing different clothing and had no mask, he didn't even know it was Obito until he said "sensei".
That's why Minato said "now I understand" when Obito appeared because he detected his ftg seal on him which which enabled Minato to realize it was the same masked man that he planted his ftg seal on. So your argument fails.
Brother Numpsay
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So then its a matter of reaction debate to decide if he counters. Or he can simply take the damage and continue fighting, making sure they it won't happen again via going underground. Buijuu protects 5 min intervene etc etc
pateuvasiliu
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lol, right.
They were clearly shocked. If Minato had moved at normal speed they'd see/hear him coming.
Also, since base Minato is faster than base Naruto and KCM makes you faster it's obvious as the fact that the Earth is spheric that KCM Minato is faster than KCM Naruto.
I don't need to give evidence. You have to prove that he can't use them, and he can't.
Minato has BM and KCM, which Naruto also has.
You're trying to tell me that BM and KCM doesn't give him the same abilities they give Naruto, despite all logic showing it does.
Dear Christ, stop with that already. No one bar Juubito has the speed to counter FTG and even Juubito got hit via FTG.
It's -YOU- that motherfu cking does it.
You're saying BM and KCM doesn't make Minato faster.
You're saying FTG can be countered by freaking Bee.
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The second Minato disappeared Obito would have activated Kamui, but FTG was so fast that his Kamui had no time to activate, because by the time he realised Minato was gone he was already hit with Rasengan.
No one ever hit him bar Juubito and Kurama, with Kurama only hitting him because he jumped to save Naruto and Juubito being a god.
So you are obviously wrong.
Ay couldn't hit Minato, the V2 Jins are a joke in comparison. Compared to V2 Ay they are slugs.
Naruto doesn't have FTG.
Except Minato does, since he was never hit.
That's KCM Naruto. This is BM Minato. As soon as Naruto gained BM his kyuubi chakra shrouds became incredibly strong, able to tank Madara/Obito's Juubi-sized Katons, Tenpechii ( for which Madara used Susanoo to defend himself ) and various other Juubi attacks.
Furthermore, the Kyuubi chakra would heal Minato instantly.
Obito isn't outlasting Minato and he has next to nothing to kill him.