[VS] BM Minato vs Obito with jins

Who Wins?

  • Minato

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  • Obito

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  • tie

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Brother Numpsay

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It was pretty obvious he can when he made a Bijuudama as strong as 5 bijuus combined and subdued all of them immediately after.

Also Minato can turn any TBB against the Bijuus so there's that.
-Not true [ ]
-True but not it matters as much for two things: 1. Buijuus were already willing to fire their TBB at point blank (before Naruto showed up). 2. Minato till this day, has never done that in character.
 

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2. Minato till this day, has never done that in character.
Neither has Naruto killed anyone.

Does that mean Naruto can't kill anyone?

What's this stupid logic you're using? I'll have none of it.

Where's the not true part?

His Bijuudama is as big as the combined one. Since size means power when it comes to explosions and jutsus, then it obviously is just as strong.

There you go.

I call that soloing five bijuus.

Minato can do it even easier. The Bijuus can't fire TBBs because they will get hit by their own TBBs and -then- get hit by Minato's own TBB.

Minato takes this and does so comfortably.

Also as far as I know Obito has no idea Minato can use the S/T barrier so he has no reason not to use TBB.
 

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Neither has Naruto killed anyone.

Does that mean Naruto can't kill anyone?

What's this stupid logic you're using? I'll have none of it.
Whats this stupid comparison? Was that suppose to be logical? Naruto not killing his opponent has nothing to do with anything. It doesn't bring relevance to the story, in fact, it would destroy the story-line if he killed anyone he faced, that will alter the story-line thus far. Naruto, at the end of the day, defeats his opponents, his own way. Thus he can still solo 95 percent of the Naruto-verse without such tactic's your thinking of. Arguing that, means nothings nor does it help you give an excuse to take Minato out of character/fanfic move of defeating opponents.

In order for the S/T to work anyway "redirect it back", is for a seal to be place near/around them. Now unless you want to argue Obito is dumb to still go for it even having manga knowledge of FTG, by all means, you can try to use it as a pathetic argument.

Where's the not true part?

His Bijuudama is as big as the combined one. Since size means power when it comes to explosions and jutsus, then it obviously is just as strong.
The not true part, as you see in the scan, is that he had to altered the course of the TBB, hitting it in a different angle. Not angling the Bomb would of not benefit Naruto's situation at all.

There you go.

I call that soloing five bijuus.

Minato can do it even easier. The Bijuus can't fire TBBs because they will get hit by their own TBBs and -then- get hit by Minato's own TBB.

Minato takes this and does so comfortably.
You are basing that scan without taking everything into consideration. Not only was it short. Naruto took advantage of the situation, in the mist of the after-blast, to sneak in his attack. Once again Tobi does NOT have to fight exactly the way he was fighting against Naruto, Tobi's attempt was to submit not destroy. Ill quote myself:

You might want to re read that fight. Naruto was facing 5 Buijuu's. HE got jumped, which the 8 tail came and helped out from the 2 other Buijuu's. Then you have a different mind set in manga, on how they were fighting. All they cared about was attempting to submit Naruto (physically contact only), not once did they used their jutsu for support.
Each Beast carries their own ability that could benefit/dominating the battle they do not have to have the intel to submit like they were trying to against BM Naruto.

Also as far as I know Obito has no idea Minato can use the S/T barrier so he has no reason not to use TBB.
Have you forgotten that he faced his sensei already? Seeing him teleport around, to escape his attack? Thus he said he needs to Kamui him faster next time? And recent chapters trying to counter FTG?
 

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Whats this stupid comparison? Was that suppose to be logical?
No, it was supposed to make you see how dumb your statement was. Guess you didn't get it.

In order for the S/T to work anyway "redirect it back", is for a seal to be place near/around them.
Uh no, it's enough for the Bijuudama to enter the Barrier and then Minato simply sends the Bijuudama back at the bijuus. He uses himself as the seal, or a kunai.

The not true part, as you see in the scan, is that he had to altered the course of the TBB, hitting it in a different angle. Not angling the Bomb would of not benefit Naruto's situation at all.
Are you implying Naruto's Bijuudama was not as strong as the other one?

That's BS.

They're the same size.

Not only was it short. Naruto took advantage of the situation, in the mist of the after-blast, to sneak in his attack.
Which shows he is faster and more durable, as he recovered from the TBB before the others could.

Have you forgotten that he faced his sensei already?
He never saw Minato use the S/T barrier.

He only saw him use FTG.
 

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No, it was supposed to make you see how dumb your statement was. Guess you didn't get it.
Too bad it didn't and backfired on you.

Uh no, it's enough for the Bijuudama to enter the Barrier and then Minato simply sends the Bijuudama back at the bijuus. He uses himself as the seal, or a kunai.
Thats what I just said. There needs to be a "medium" which were the things you listed, to open S/T. Do you expect Obito to attack (long range/etc) where Minato's "medium" is placed around his support?

Are you implying Naruto's Bijuudama was not as strong as the other one?

That's BS.

They're the same size.
When did size matter? Would it matter if Son Goku jumped in to add? Would size matter if Naruto were to add Hermit in it, do to do the same damage regardless of size[ ]? I'm going have to say no by manga.

Which shows he is faster and more durable, as he recovered from the TBB before the others could.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, the scan had nothing to do with recovering. Nobody was recovering from the after math. Naruto took advantage of the debris and catch them off guard.

You are completely neglecting that they do not have to fight exactly like in the manga. They don't even have to be together. Separating to cover more angles would be a lot easier to fight.

He never saw Minato use the S/T barrier.

He only saw him use FTG.
Lol how do you think FTG works? Is Obito suppose to be dumb here and thinks something else otherwise? Please enlighten me what Obito could of "thought" that jutsu was base on.
 

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Too bad it didn't and backfired on you.
Because your opinion about my logic matters so much to me.

Thats what I just said. There needs to be a "medium" which were the things you listed, to open S/T. Do you expect Obito to attack (long range/etc) where Minato's "medium" is placed around his support?
I don't get where you're going with this.

A simple clone can easily use the S/T barrier while the real one prepares the Bijuudama.

If an object is caught in the barrier Minato can send it wherever he pleases. Sure, the barrier will be reopened where his kunai is, but the bijuudama only explodes when it touches something, meaning Minato can send it back at the bijuus.

When did size matter?
Every damn time.

Else, by your logic, if size doesn't matter then Rasengan and Oodama Rasengan is the same thing.

Which is retarded.

Would size matter if Naruto were to add Hermit in it, do to do the same damage regardless of size[X]? I'm going have to say no by manga.
Senjutsu chakra makes jutsus stronger. Nothing more to add to that. It doesn't make jutsus bigger, it makes them stronger.

They don't even have to be together. Separating to cover more angles would be a lot easier to fight.
Why would they separate? Minato would wreck them if they went apart. We saw Naruto subdue them with chakra arms alone, Minato also has FTG. Once he touches a bijuu he can warp to it.

IF they separate Minato will pick them one by one.

Is Obito suppose to be dumb here and thinks something else otherwise? Please enlighten me what Obito could of "thought" that jutsu was base on.
I didn't exactly understand what you wanted from me here, but if you're implying Obito knows about S/T barrier because he knows of FTG, well you're wrong.

S/T barrier and FTG are different jutsus. Their only common thing is the FTG kunai.
 

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I don't get where you're going with this.

A simple clone can easily use the S/T barrier while the real one prepares the Bijuudama.

If an object is caught in the barrier Minato can send it wherever he pleases. Sure, the barrier will be reopened where his kunai is, but the bijuudama only explodes when it touches something, meaning Minato can send it back at the bijuus.
A simply clone is a lot slower then the original. Not to mention that they can get own by simply direct hits: [ ], that all 6 jin's can handle with shared vision and Sharingan precog to help out then normal.

Any ground move ruins any seals set up for Minato medium. or

Every damn time.

Else, by your logic, if size doesn't matter then Rasengan and Oodama Rasengan is the same thing.

Which is retarded.
The context was TBB. At this point, where was the argument heading, when they all can form their tail beast bomb by themselves anywhere and any spot.

Senjutsu chakra makes jutsus stronger. Nothing more to add to that. It doesn't make jutsus bigger, it makes them stronger.
That was my point.. Making a Bigger TBB means nothing when you want to counter another TBB specifically [ ] [ ] [ ]

Why would they separate? Minato would wreck them if they went apart. We saw Naruto subdue them with chakra arms alone, Minato also has FTG. Once he touches a bijuu he can warp to it.

IF they separate Minato will pick them one by one.
Minato wreaks them apart when separated lol? No they gain alot more strategy using their tail beast powers then trying to all Jump at him. Minato gets toss around with Sharingan precog, Rennigan share vision, and Tobi waiting for the perfect opportunity to get an opening.

GL warping to bijuus waiting for your presence, having their specials ready.

I didn't exactly understand what you wanted from me here, but if you're implying Obito knows about S/T barrier because he knows of FTG, well you're wrong.

S/T barrier and FTG are different jutsus. Their only common thing is the FTG kunai.
Lmao they both have the same concept, using space and time jutsu. Why are even making this to even be discuss. Characters, especially who has knowledge on, are allow to use common sense.
 

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A simply clone is a lot slower then the original.
When was this stated?

The whole purpose of Kage Bunshin is to divide your chakra equally.

Even then Obito's speed is nothing Minato ( clone or not ) can't handle.

Any ground move ruins any seals set up for Minato medium. Leaving Rotton Gas on the field or leaving the ground covered with Magma
FTG seals don't disappear, not to mention with Minato's speed of tagging is something that tricked Obito in the past.

The context was TBB.
Rasengan is the closest jutsu you'll get to TBB.

And yes, size means power.

The Juubi has the biggest bijuudama and the strongest.

A bigger bijuudama makes a greater impact than a smaller one.

C'mon, it's not rocket science.

Making a Bigger TBB means nothing when you want to counter another TBB specifically [X] [X] [X]
The TBB wasn't launched and Bee was only able to do that because the Juubi was preparing a huge bijuudama and that took time.

Naruto's mountain-dwarfing Bijuudama barely took a second or two to form.

Minato gets toss around with Sharingan precog, Rennigan share vision, and Tobi waiting for the perfect opportunity to get an opening.
lol, as if Sharingan precog can follow Minato's speed.

Also in BM I doubt they have shared vision.

Tobi waiting for the perfect opportunity to get an opening.
And do what?

Throw kunai at Minato?

Rofl.

Lmao they both have the same concept, using space and time jutsu. Why are even making this to even be discuss. Characters, especially who has knowledge on, are allow to use common sense.
This is so stupid I can't even reply to it.

Magically Obito knows Minato can return bijuudamas back at him because he knows he has FTG?

Your logic is appalling.
 

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Minato has already fought tobi, he still has the seal on him. I highly doubt obito would start the fight balls out with bijuu transformed. It takes time for the bijuu to transform. Due to Minato great reaction speed, he will take great advantage of that fact. Taking out tobi like before would be his first concern, he said that during the first fight. After that its a walk in the park to seal up the others with his extensive fuinjutsu knowledge.
 

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When was this stated?

The whole purpose of Kage Bunshin is to divide your chakra equally.

Even then Obito's speed is nothing Minato ( clone or not ) can't handle.
[ ] Having superior speed doesn't determine the winner. Obito demonstrated this facing Bee, BM Naruto, Kakashi, and Guy at the same time.

FTG seals don't disappear, not to mention with Minato's speed of tagging is something that tricked Obito in the past.
No but it also isn't a safe zone to land rendering it useless. Minato goes in and dies. I hope you dont expect Obito to not learn from his mistakes and use what he knows to his advantage to counter.

Rasengan is the closest jutsu you'll get to TBB.

And yes, size means power.

The Juubi has the biggest bijuudama and the strongest.

A bigger bijuudama makes a greater impact than a smaller one.

C'mon, it's not rocket science.



The TBB wasn't launched and Bee was only able to do that because the Juubi was preparing a huge bijuudama and that took time.
Its like you dont want to get my point at all, for the fact that you are repeating yourself over.

Naruto's mountain-dwarfing Bijuudama barely took a second or two to form.
In what? Panel time? So did the Buijuu's, point?

lol, as if Sharingan precog can follow Minato's speed.

Also in BM I doubt they have shared vision.
They dont have to follow but predict and expect.

Them having "no more share vision" in BM is even unnecessary then in base. 4 tail throws Yang Kyuubi around like a rag doll, 5 Tail tackles can jump in and tackle, the the other 4 could pretty much know where I am going with this, considering Minato in BM becomes a bigger target too.

And do what?

Throw kunai at Minato?

Rofl.
If you consider that their special attack. Blinding (Fuu), reflecting his attacks (Yagura), magma armor when he gets too close with magma release (Roshi), Han superior physical strength boost with steam, Yugito pressuring with fire cat attacks w/ fast hand to hand combat, Ukata bubble traps. All waiting for him when Obito expects FTGing them, rofl.

This is so stupid I can't even reply to it.

Magically Obito knows Minato can return bijuudamas back at him because he knows he has FTG?

Your logic is appalling.
I like how you like to puts words in my mouth when the whole purpose of this part of rebuttal was to explain that Obito knows about Minato FTG and logically it applies accessing through using space and time. Thus you continually try to differ it of not.

That Straw Man is appalling
 

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Having superior speed doesn't determine the winner. Obito demonstrated this facing Bee, BM Naruto, Kakashi, and Guy at the same time.
Irrelevant.

Obito had Kamui.

It's useless against Minato.

No but it also isn't a safe zone to land rendering it useless. Minato goes in and dies.
Implying acid/magma lasts forever.

Implying the Kyuubi cloak can't tank that.

Its like you dont want to get my point at all, for the fact that you are repeating yourself over.
Well, I don't get what your point is.

If it's that size=/=power, then you are wrong.

In what? Panel time? So did the Buijuu's, point?
My point is that Bee had time to counter the Juubi's because the Juubi wanted to destroy everyone and as such was loading the bijuudama for a while.

Minato's takes 1 second so countering it is nigh-impossible.

4 tail throws Yang Kyuubi around like a rag doll, 5 Tail tackles can jump in and tackle, the the other 4 could pretty much know where I am going with this, considering Minato in BM becomes a bigger target too.
Not only does Minato have chakra roar and durability to tank Juubi's lasers ( and as such I doubt anything bar the combined 5 bijuudama can hurt him ), he has FTG to maneuver them.

Once he tags them he can send a clone to take out the stakes. It's really easy.

If you consider that their special attack. Blinding (Fuu), reflecting his attacks (Yagura), magma armor when he gets too close with magma release (Roshi), Han superior physical strength boost with steam, Yugito pressuring with fire cat attacks w/ fast hand to hand combat, Ukata bubble traps
None of those can hurt the Kyuubi cloak.

part of rebuttal was to explain that Obito knows about Minato FTG and logically it applies accessing through using space and time.
Tobirama also uses FTG and he doesn't have S/T barrier.

I don't get your point, here.

Obito has no way of knowing about S/T barrier.
 

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Irrelevant.

Obito had Kamui.

It's useless against Minato.
Past Obito applied that if he would of Kamui faster then next time, Minato will not have time to teleport out. Or Tobi can just sit back and watch underground [ ], Minato getting man handled by 6 jins that are able to go all v2, making all of his jutsu leaving no mark or damage against them useless.

Implying acid/magma lasts forever.

Implying the Kyuubi cloak can't tank that.
-It doesn't need to it just needs to produce more when its wearing down.
-Not a chance, since Naruto's cloak never could (I hope you do know what "tanking" means)

My point is that Bee had time to counter the Juubi's because the Juubi wanted to destroy everyone and as such was loading the bijuudama for a while.

Minato's takes 1 second so countering it is nigh-impossible.
MY point was that even a weaker Bomb can be use right to counter a stronger bomb.

Not only does Minato have chakra roar and durability to tank Juubi's lasers ( and as such I doubt anything bar the combined 5 bijuudama can hurt him ), he has FTG to maneuver them.

Once he tags them he can send a clone to take out the stakes. It's really easy.
Chakra roar does nothing as the beast were ready to gangbang Naruto right after, which Bee saved. Juubi laser on contact never made an explosive like normal TBB, since it was pure laser and lack explosive the damage will be alot different. Example would be when the beam started spiting when Naruto blocked it [ ] and when he does it again but the SA redirected it [ ] [ ]. Its not the same attack when Minato redirected its different bomb. [ ] [ ]

None of those can hurt the Kyuubi cloak.
Every jutsu hurt Naruto. And to the point that he had to escape (with Bee's help) not getting effected by the rest of the attacks. So where is your evidence that it wouldn't

Tobirama also uses FTG and he doesn't have S/T barrier.

I don't get your point, here.

Obito has no way of knowing about S/T barrier.
Um? [ ]
 

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Past Obito applied that if he would of Kamui faster then next time, Minato will not have time to teleport out. Or Tobi can just sit back and watch underground [X], Minato getting man handled by 6 jins that are able to go all v2, making all of his jutsu leaving no mark or damage against them useless.
Obito has shown nothing that makes him faster than in the past and there's nothing suggesting he is fast enough to warp Minato.

The v2 jins can't even touch or hurt Minato.

-It doesn't need to it just needs to produce more when its wearing down.
-Not a chance, since Naruto's cloak never could (I hope you do know what "tanking" means)
Naruto's V1 cloak protected the whole Alliance from the Juubi's attacks and Madara's/Obito's Juubi-sized katons.

Roshi's lava is a joke.

MY point was that even a weaker Bomb can be use right to counter a stronger bomb.
And how will that weaker bomb be shot when Minato only needs 1 second to form the giant TBB?

Juubi laser on contact never made an explosive like normal TBB
It tore through 9 bijuudamas, 5 from Naruto and 4 from Bee and then hit Naruto.

Juubi's laser is above any ninjutsu we've seen and is well above a TBB.
 

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Obito has shown nothing that makes him faster than in the past and there's nothing suggesting he is fast enough to warp Minato.
Obito has already been saying he can speed up the process. He even attempt to try and outspeed Kakashi, meaning its possible.
He knew about FTG insane speed and was confident that it would work the 2nd time if he gets it right. Manga suggest that its possible But this part is not even important factor anyway.

The v2 jins can't even touch or hurt Minato.
Oh the untouchable argument of Minato is heading its way isnt it? Please name one serious fight he encounter that he was untouchable.

Naruto's V1 cloak protected the whole Alliance from the Juubi's attacks and Madara's/Obito's Juubi-sized katons.

Roshi's lava is a joke.
Lol did you just compare lava release to fire release? Lava Release>Fire Release. At least Lava is kgg that can damage Sussanoo and Naruto's cloak [ ] [ ]<-- Keep in mind that it skined him [ ]<-- Naruto had to completely stop the blow.

And how will that weaker bomb be shot when Minato only needs 1 second to form the giant TBB?
Omg that wasn't my point. Just let it go at this point. 1 second to you is also 1 second for the other buijuu's.

It tore through 9 bijuudamas, 5 from Naruto and 4 from Bee and then hit Naruto.

Juubi's laser is above any ninjutsu we've seen and is well above a TBB.
None of those TBB were enough to even blow up mountain damage that Juubi broke. Not only that they dodged the first one and blocked the next attack. The Laser as different priority damage so its useless to compare to moves.
 

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Obito has already been saying he can speed up the process.
That's not a feat, not to mention this is BM Minato whom is obviously faster than normal Minato.

He has sensing and enhanced reflexes.

Oh the untouchable argument of Minato is heading its way isnt it? Please name one serious fight he encounter that he was untouchable.
How about all of them?

No one bar Juubito and Kurama ( cuz Naruto ) was able to hit Minato. Ever.

did you just compare lava release to fire release? Lava Release>Fire Release.
Well there's also Juubi's Tenpechii.

As for Roshi's lava, it barely scratched Naruto ( no blood, just a slight burn mark that disappeared seconds after ).

1 second to you is also 1 second for the other buijuu's.
An individually-made Bijuudama isn't going to deflect the big one to the point where they avoid damage.

Naruto fired an equally-large TBB to counter theirs.

The Laser as different priority damage so its useless to compare to moves.
If the Juubi's laser didn't really hurt Naruto's BM cloak nothing the bijuus can do bar TBB can.
 
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