Bm = bsm

[AlphaScythian]

According to manga it just cannot be the same. Technique with addition of natural energy > technique without natural energy. I rather to trust manga.

Juubi is raw nature energy, it actually would take smaller TBB to rival of BSM naruto who has senjutsu mix. So as i said. You trust wrong manga it appears.

 

[Turson]

Juubi is raw nature energy, it actually would take smaller TBB to rival of BSM naruto who has senjutsu mix. So as i said. You trust wrong manga it appears.

I dont get your point - no examples, no scans from manga. The manga makes it clear: technique with addition of natural energy > technique without natural energy. I stick to that.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I dont get your point - no examples, no scans from manga. The manga makes it clear: technique with addition of natural energy > technique without natural energy. I stick to that.

I told you that it would equal juubi TBB of smaller scale.

 

[Turson]

I told you that it would equal juubi TBB of smaller scale.

So? What it has to do with the fact that Narutos TBB with natural energy > Naruto TBB without natural energy?

 

[AlphaScythian]

So? What it has to do with the fact that Narutos TBB with natural energy > Naruto TBB without natural energy?

WE were limiting its destruction capabilities so your fanfiction wouldnt go wild

 

[Retsu]

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I'd love to see someone argue against the manga itself.

Notice how he says EVERYTHING gets a serious power up

 

[Turson]

WE were limiting its destruction capabilities so your fanfiction wouldnt go wild

What fanfiction? We couldnt even see Narutos Senjutsu TBB in action, but Fukusaku made it clear: technique with natural energy > technique without natural energy. Its very simple rule.

 

[AlphaScythian]

What fanfiction? We couldnt even see Narutos Senjutsu TBB in action, but Fukusaku made it clear: technique with natural energy > technique without natural energy. Its very simple rule.

Lets wait for the feats then. Cuz i dont see any grand boost and i have an idea as to why

 

[TheSages456]

Obviously, he was fighting a guy who was a few tiers above him, BSM or not. But we know what happens when you add natural energy to technique, it was clearly explained in manga. Thats enough.

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which is why narutos tbb showed absolutely no boost, just added senjutsu(the explosion isnt even purely from tbb)

 

[Turson]

Lets wait for the feats then. Cuz i dont see any grand boost and i have an idea as to why

BM or BSM, it doesnt really matter since Juubito was tiers above Naruto.

which is why narutos tbb showed absolutely no boost, just added senjutsu(the explosion isnt even purely from tbb)

I dont even see any explosion. No wonder, considering that it was Juubis Jinchuuriki. Moreover, it was relatively small TBB.

 

[TheSages456]

I dont even see any explosion. No wonder, considering that it was Juubis Jinchuuriki. Moreover, it was relatively small TBB.

the explosion is in the bottom left panel and the bijudama was standard sized. its the same one that obito made the biju use against kakashi and gai.

 

[Turson]

the explosion is in the bottom left panel and the bijudama was standard sized. its the same one that obito made the biju use against kakashi and gai.

Thats what I was talking about -I dont see any explosion. It looked like Obito just smashed that TBB with his superior power. Well, no wonder.

 

[TheSages456]

Thats what I was talking about -I dont see any explosion. It looked like Obito just smashed that TBB with his superior power. Well, no wonder.

obito blocked it with onmyoudon and the tbb exploded on the sphere.

 

[Turson]

obito blocked it with onmyoudon and the tbb exploded on the sphere.

More like it was smashed by it. Explosions have rounded shape.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Sage mode is like kai oh Ken it multiples your base abilities

 

[TheSages456]

More like it was smashed by it. Explosions have rounded shape.

you cant even support this because they manga shows otherwise. obito only used it as a dome of protection. the bomb exploded on the sphere.

going onto your second statement about explosions having a rounded shape:

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[lordryoko]

uhm how can BM = BSM ? That makes no sense. If they were equal then why even bother calling them different things? If the Sage Mode doesn't make any significant improvement, then why even bother going into Sage Mode while in BM?

 

[xxSAGExx]

The difference between them in power is miniscule. The only 1 up for bsm is better sensing which they both already have. Naruto fans will give you a slew of reasons bsm is such a major step up but it's not. Bsm is only sage mode added to bijuu mode. Naruto is limited to two rasenshuuriken or one big one and some left over senjutsu I say left over because he got blitzed by madara who is slower than 3rd raikage who's attack he was able to dodge and counter. Sm grants naruto enhanced strength, more chakra, sensing and reflexes. Bm grants direct access to the second strongest entity in the nvs chakra granting you strength, unlimited chakra, unparalleled speed and sensing. Sm is so much weaker in comparison that the addition is miniscule. If KURAMA went sage mode and gave him chakra THEN it would be a major power up.

Wrong. Naruto was never at full power when he went BSM, he had to borrow chakra from Yin Kurama both times. Also you're basing it off of feats not shown when Naruto is New to this mode, he actually had training in SM and incomplete training in KM. He never trained to use BM or BSM power, that's like when Sasuke fought Bee and didn't use Susanoo, did that mean he didn't have it or wasn't use to the MS power? You're comparing Naruto's clone that only fought Muu and the 3rd Raikage with minimal help to a SM Naruto who did everything from Training with Bee with no rest to where he's at now with only 2 breaks, when Sakura helped him.

Ok I'll put it like this bm vs bsm they are so equal it doesn't matter. If they were to fight bsm would still be extremely close in power to the point it doesn't matter.

That's like saying MS and EMS are equal... So MS Sasuke=EMS Sasuke? MS Madara=EMS Madara? So Tobirama can solo EMS Madara since he solo Izuna who was Madara's equal? That is how your comparing BM and BSM.

His theory is incredibly flawed and based on something he made up. He made the mistake of assuming sm multiplies your strength. He thinks it works like kaio ken but it doesn't. SM does give a power up but it does not multiply you strength at all. You absorb senjutsu until you get enough that you can comfortably store in your body. Bm is kurama giving naruto a powerful dense chakra the chakra is so great that he cannot contain it in his body which exits his body like fire. They are separate chakras do not amplify each other. The amount of senjutsu chakra naruto can hold is still the same.

When Pa toad was absorbing natural energy to increase his strength to lift that giant stone toad was his strength not increased by gathering a large amount of natural energy? Gamakichi even said Pa toad gathered a lot

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. BM gives Naruto all his chakra and Naruto use that to balance the natural energy with, you have to have a balance of natural energy as you do of physical energy and Spiritual energy, to combine the modes Naruto has to add the natural energy to BM chakra.

They are not separate chakra, Naruto doesn't have senjutsu and Kurama chakra in him, he adds narutal energy to Kurama's chakra to turn it into BijuuSenjutsu chakra. When in BM, that is Naruto's base and it's power gets amplified. Naruto never trained in that mode nor have he ever been in that mode at full power. Naruto actually trained to learn frog kata, he's not going to just know how to extend it via full BMS tails and arms.

 

[xxSAGExx]

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which is why narutos tbb showed absolutely no boost, just added senjutsu(the explosion isnt even purely from tbb)

What do you mean no boost? Kurama's other tbb were made with far more power than that one (one he used against 5 Bijuus and what he was preparing to fire at Obito), that's around the size of his rapidly fired tbb which wasn't charged in power like the ones I mentioned. Plus Naruto wasn't even at full power, he had to borrow chakra from Yin Kurama for the 2nd time. Also Susanoo's arrow is more of a piercing attack, it's blast radius is much smaller than a tbb.

Juubi is raw nature energy, it actually would take smaller TBB to rival of BSM naruto who has senjutsu mix. So as i said. You trust wrong manga it appears.

Juubi has more power, the more natural energy you have the stronger you'll be as Pa toad shown

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. That's why Juubi>BSM>BM

BSM naruto has shown no feats that put him above his BM counterpart in power. the fans say that the manga agrees with them but they cant directly pull up the scan of BM narutos power being enhanced? pathetic. its the same thing with madaras fanboys.

they extrapolate abilities.
you request the scan of a character performing the action, then they say "just because he hasnt shown it doesnt mean that he cant do it".
then thats their argument for every situation.


even the blast radius of BSM narutos bijudama was the same as BM narutos.

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and this isnt even BSM narutos bijudama purely. sasuke also shot an arrow which contributed to the explosion in the scan.

You act like Naruto had training in BM or BSM tho, he's not going to know it can fully do unless he trains and tries it out. In a battle it can be too dangerous. Plus Naruto was never at full power in BSM, he had to borrow chakra from Yin Kurama both times so he was close to halve power at most. When Pa toad was showing Naruto Senjutsu, Gamakichi mentioned how Pa toad was gathering a lot of natural energy, then said "Woah" and seen sweating when Pa lift the stone toad with 1 hand

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Naruto would have more power if Kurama was at full 50% or even full Kurama (Yin-Yang). Also That tbb isn't near the size as what Naruto shown to use while charging it (against the 5 bijuus and when he add natural energy to it).

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. It didn't even show then shooting it, they were caught the next time we see them

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