Biggest Plot hole: Itachi defeating Orochimau.

[The Necromancer]

That's why I called it contradiction (plot hole) from the beginning.

By your logic, Madara living is a plot hole, because Sasuke could have cut his head off rather than hitting him with Amaterasu.

It's not a plot hole just because it didn't go the way you think it should have.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Nice fanfiction

Prove me wrong.

thread fodderized

Orochimaru was talking about taking Itachi's body, not defeating him.

He's not strong enough to take Itachi's body, he tried and failed. If he DID get Itachi's body, then the invasion of Konoha would had went off without any problems.

Keep it in context, which I know is hard to do for you.

 

[RicardoA]

I answered this many times, he can't beat jiraiya anyway.


come on bro can't say Kurenai is better in Genjutsu than the Legendary Sannin Orochimaru.




I also Believe That, just to emphasize Itachi.

- I believe Jiraiya would win in a 1v1 against Itachi, but that's not relevant to the subject at hand. Itachi said that even w/ reinforcements and Kisame's help, there would be no way to beat Jiraiya.
That makes no sense at a time we know what both characters are capable of. Pein already got rid of J-man with moderate difficulty, so the reinforcement argument has no weight. Itachi had no intention of fighting whatsoever and he had to get rid of Kisame somehow.

- Why not? Its literally everything she's got. His field is that of ninjutsu and kinjutsu, everything else is secondary. And again, everything puts her above him in that regard.

- At least we agree on the purpose behind that quarrel :bouncy: You shouldn't make a big deal out of it. In a real fight Orochimaru would never be stomped like that. Its not even marketable.

 

[NarutoB]

Prove me wrong.

Orochimaru doesn't have Itachi's Sharingan, that right there proves you wrong. Itachi > Orochimaru, that's canon.

 

[VolatileSoul]

There is no plot hole. This was cleared up when we learned Itachi was a double agent. Kisame even questioned why he of all people needed to run from Jiraiya. He was merely playing Kisame for a fool and can take down Jiraiya with the same difficultly he took down Orochimaru. Whether people want to believe it or not is up to them, but it's pretty clear at this point.

 

[7th Path]

By your logic, Madara living is a plot hole, because Sasuke could have cut his head off rather than hitting him with Amaterasu.

It's not a plot hole just because it didn't go the way you think it should have.

Allright, I'll call it contradiction, is that good for you ?

 

[The Necromancer]

Allright, I'll call it contradiction, is that good for you ?

No, because it's not a contradiction. It contradicts nothing. It's just you whining about a detail in a story.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Prove me wrong.

Orochimaru was talking about taking Itachi's body, not defeating him.

Giant sword could be a reason in braking free from those snakes? No?

Defeating or stealing body isnt possible due to genjutsu alone.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Orochimaru doesn't have Itachi's Sharingan, that right there proves you wrong. Itachi > Orochimaru, that's canon.

That doesn't prove anything other than you're a troll. Try again.

There is no plot hole. This was cleared up when we learned Itachi was a double agent. Kisame even questioned why he of all people needed to run from Jiraiya. He was merely playing Kisame for a fool and can take down Jiraiya with the same difficultly he took down Orochimaru. Whether people want to believe it or not is up to them, but it's pretty clear at this point.

Kisame was hesitant to go after Naruto and said that he didn't even think Itachi would be a match for Jiraiya.

THAT was Itachi's out if he really wanted to lie. He could had said "You're right, Kisame. The situation is too dangerous for us."

But no, he didn't. Itachi insisted that he's Jiraiya's equal and continued after Naruto despite Kisame's hesitations.

So no, Itachi wasn't lying.

Kisame also questioned why Itachi needed to leave because he's supposedly in the same league as Jiraiya.

It's a good thing they left though, Itachi would had really put up less of a fight than those 3 Peins did.

Giant sword could be a reason in braking free from those snakes? No?

Defeating or stealing body isnt possible due to genjutsu alone.

Breaking free from those giant snakes? How? He was stuck to Sasuke's neck.

What are you trying to reference here?

 

[Lord Tywin]

you do realize that kishi has uchiha fetish. he wanks uchiha to no end, and treats them like gods in his work. he would never make uchiha look bad to a non-uchiha, except obito, but that's because obito is like naruto, so kishi would make him look bad with his Rin bs

 

[Owarij]

There is no point in debating when the person you're arguing with has a pre set disposition. It's obvious by now the thread maker didn't make this post to be convinced or with an open mind, considering all his points have already been refuted.

Also Ultimate Deadpool is just an openly known Itachi hater. If that much isn't obvious already

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

There is no point in debating when the person you're arguing with has a pre set disposition. It's obvious by now the thread maker didn't make this post to be convinced or with an open mind, considering all his points have already been refuted.

Also Ultimate Deadpool is just an openly known Itachi hater. If that much isn't obvious already

Refuted by... who? People that also have a pre-set disposition?

I don't hate Itachi, I hate his fans. In fact, I just noticed that you replied to this thread and I said to myself "Oh, it's him."

 

[NarutoB]

That doesn't prove anything other than you're a troll. Try again.



Kisame was hesitant to go after Naruto and said that he didn't even think Itachi would be a match for Jiraiya.

THAT was Itachi's out if he really wanted to lie. He could had said "You're right, Kisame. The situation is too dangerous for us."

But no, he didn't. Itachi insisted that he's Jiraiya's equal and continued after Naruto despite Kisame's hesitations.

So no, Itachi wasn't lying.

Kisame also questioned why Itachi needed to leave because he's supposedly in the same league as Jiraiya.

It's a good thing they left though, Itachi would had really put up less of a fight than those 3 Peins died.

So I'm a troll for using manga facts? While you have nothing but non existing feats equivalent to fanfiction? Ok then

 

[7th Path]

There is no point in debating when the person you're arguing with has a pre set disposition.

I'm just not convinced yet how did he beat him, If you don't like to argue then you can leave with peace, thanks for participating anyway.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Other members already soloed this thread. Orochimaru unfortunately has no counter to genjutsu it is his weakness. I wish we could see a true fight between these two characters. This is why I don't like genjutsu it makes fights boring and dumb. What is enjoyable in seeing one character just stomp another, without even moving a finger. Fights were characters are more evenly matched are glorious for example Naruto vs Sasuke at the Valley(best fight), Sasuke vs Deidara, Naruto vs Pain

 

[7th Path]

No, because it's not a contradiction. It contradicts nothing. It's just you whining about a detail in a story.

It contradicts the power level dude, Yes it can be a small detail if you want to call this way but I couldn't accept how the Legendary Sannin got defeated that way.

 

[Owarij]

I'm just not convinced yet how did he beat him, If you don't like to argue then you can leave with peace, thanks for participating anyway.

You're not convinced? Noone has to convince You. It's in the manga, It's admitted by Orchimaru himself, And it's put in the databook.
After all of this , after Orochimaru's own admittance, you still believe he's stronger. That's just being a fanboy and ignoring facts

 

[iSpeak]

You should save yourself the embarrassment and just delete this tread.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

So I'm a troll for using manga facts? While you have nothing but non existing feats equivalent to fanfiction? Ok then

I posted facts, all you've done is troll. What was the last thing you said to me? "Orochimaru loses because he doesn't have Itachi's Sharingan." That doesn't make sense, it's just a troll response.

 

[7th Path]

Other members already soloed this thread. Orochimaru unfortunately has no counter to genjutsu it is his weakness. I wish we could see a true fight between these two characters. This is why I don't like genjutsu it makes fights boring and dumb. What is enjoyable in seeing one character just stomp another, without even moving a finger. Fights were characters are more evenly matched are glorious for example Naruto vs Sasuke at the Valley(best fight), Sasuke vs Deidara, Naruto vs Pain

Yes Exactly, for me it's bad that a Ninja like Orochimaru get stomped that easy, maybe I accept the idea of Itachi winning but for good reason (a full fight)