Biggest Asspull Moment in the Manga?

[Guntah]

Then your problem is that Izanami exists as a plot device and deus ex machina, not that it's an ass-pull.

Let' see.

Glancing through a few definitions, TV Tropes seemed to have one for Asspull that fit the idea well enough. So do other, but I like this one.

"An Asspull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a Chekhov's Gun earlier on."

This "something out of thin air" is Izanami, the "less than graceful narrative development" was Itachi beating Kabuto and having him release Edo Tensei. The Law of Conservation of Detail basically states that "Every detail is important", which is something Naruto rarely follows...but I'm digressing. The rest is pretty self explanatory, but I'd say Izanami gits into the definition well enough.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Let' see.

Glancing through a few definitions, TV Tropes seemed to have one for Asspull that fit the idea well enough. So do other, but I like this one.

"An Asspull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a Chekhov's Gun earlier on."

This "something out of thin air" is Izanami, the "less than graceful narrative development" was Itachi beating Kabuto and having him release Edo Tensei. The Law of Conservation of Detail basically states that "Every detail is important", which is something Naruto rarely follows...but I'm digressing. The rest is pretty self explanatory, but I'd say Izanami gits into the definition well enough.

You misinterpret that. "Less than graceful narrative development" refers to the way that an asspull is introduced. Izanami was introduced as a counter-measure to a previously established power. That makes the narrative development of its introduction graceful enough.

 

[Omar19992010]

Obito teleporting himself from the afterlife and giving Kakashi PS

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The Orochimaru revival

 

[Jinrou]

Izanagi doesn't come out of nowhere. Hell, if there is anything that had been coming a long way, its Izanagi Danzo's arm was there since the beginning after all, and unless I'm mistaken we were shown his golden braces long before we were shown the eyes. Danzo's ability was a long way coming, so when it was introduced, it was shocking, but didn't seem contrived or forced, just OP.

On the other hand, Izanami, unless I'm wrong, was never mentioned before and had no true foreshadowing, but was introduced into one of the few situations in the series where it could even actually be used. Because of that, it came out as an excuse to have Itachi beat Kabuto more than anything else.

Danzo having his arm bandaged didn't foreshadow Izanagi though did it? It just had sharingan's and at that point we knew everything the Sharingan could do and Izanagi wasn't one of them.
However I do understand what you're saying but cannot agree with you. I might as well say the scenario where killing the caster if Edo Tensei wouldn't stop the technique was purposefully placed by Kishi to introduce Izanami.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Obito teleporting himself from the afterlife and giving Kakashi PS

Hagoromo did this shit like, 30 chapters before. How is it an asspull?

 

[Guntah]

You misinterpret that. "Less than graceful narrative development" refers to the way that an asspull is introduced. Izanami was introduced as a counter-measure to a previously established power. That makes the narrative development of its introduction graceful enough.

But why would you invent a counter to a previously established power if you're never gonna have this counter do what it was intended to begin with in the series? In fact, why would you do that if you're never going to use neither the original jutsu or its counter ever again after this incident? Izanami being a counter to Izanagi is just a reason given to plot to make accepting its sudden appearance less hard to digest. It was pulled out of nowhere to be used against Kabuto and then never mentioned again. Its one purpose within the plot is to have Kabuto do his thing. Everything else is just an excuse for its existence.

 

[Guntah]

Danzo having his arm bandaged didn't foreshadow Izanagi though did it? It just had sharingan's and at that point we knew everything the Sharingan could do and Izanagi wasn't one of them.
However I do understand what you're saying but cannot agree with you. I might as well say the scenario where killing the caster if Edo Tensei wouldn't stop the technique was purposefully placed by Kishi to introduce Izanami.

Not the bandages itself, but the gauntlet he uses to see the Sharingan. We get a faint look at it just before he leaves to meet with the Gokage, as well as the fact that Orochimaru and him had some connection due to his experiments.

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That is foreshadowing to the Sharingan in his arm, which shows that Izanagi was planned well before its use. Though I do kinda see your point, even if I disagree with it.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I think DMS kakashi was dumb but it can explained. Izanamai is also dumb for how retardedly convenient it is but it can also be explained.

 

[Jinrou]

Not the bandages itself, but the gauntlet he uses to see the Sharingan. We get a faint look at it just before he leaves to meet with the Gokage, as well as the fact that Orochimaru and him had some connection due to his experiments.

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That is foreshadowing to the Sharingan in his arm, which shows that Izanagi was planned well before its use. Though I do kinda see your point, even if I disagree with it.

That looks more like foreshadowing Sharingan's on his arm than a jutsu though.
Izanami did seem like an asspull to me when Itachi called it's name but his explanation which I must say was extremely detailed changed my opinion. It really did seem at that point Kishi had created an opposite to the Izanagi and though the timing of its intro does seem weird..It really isn't the case.
But yeah I guess this is one of those agree to disagree cases.

 

[King Of Pop]

I think DMS kakashi was dumb but it can explained. Izanamai is also dumb for how retardedly convenient it is but it can also be explained.

how is it dumb though? several times there were hints that itachi possessed a counter/hint to counter edo tensei, he flat out said he was the jutsus weakness. that was forshadowing a jutsu he had

 

[Dizzldot]

Every UCHIHA eye power and Sasuke surging deidaras blast and naruto with the kyuubi

 

[Styles]

None of them are "asspull", that's just a fan-made term to describe people who are butthurt, are trying to be edgy or don't have the ability to form a logical explanation.

All of which do have.

This.

Obito's soul going into Kakashi's body kun:

And this.

 

[NextGenNinja]

All of dms kakashi's "feats" . Not only was PS an asspull, but him even being able to tag a powered up kaguya was inconsistent as hell. You're telling me someone with a minuscule amount of rikudou power could do that to the progenitor of all chakra? That's just pure BS.

 

[Raijingan]

Gai surviving opening the 8 gates

Sasuke defeating Naruto in the valley of the end

Rinne tensei (rinnegan revival)

Kakashis Susanoo

Kaguya

Obito survining as long as he did

Gaara resurrected by grandma sand

Orochimaru surviving

 

[Guntah]

Gai surviving opening the 8 gates

Sasuke defeating Naruto in the valley of the end

Rinne tensei (rinnegan revival)

Kakashis Susanoo

Kaguya

Obito survining as long as he did

Gaara resurrected by grandma sand

Orochimaru surviving

Most of those aren't really asspulls though.

 

[Esdez]

DMS Kakashi

 

[Booker]

Madara's eyeless Susano'o still tops the list.

 

[Booker]

Madara's no-eye Susano'o wasn't an ass-pull. Itachi had his MS deactivated and was blind in his eyes when he had Susano'o up against Sasuke.

And yet his eyes were still attached to his head.

 

[baul 24]

kaguya punched by sakura who was easily dodging demigods like Sasuke and RSM naruto even with her byakugan on biggest asspull in naruto history.

 

[Raijingan]

kaguya punched by sakura who was easily dodging demigods like Sasuke and RSM naruto even with her byakugan on biggest asspull in naruto history.

But don't forget that they are both women