[Discussion] Bigger gap

[ZoroXTashigi]

No, Doflamingo is not equal to Luffy. In G4, I'd say Doffy is faster while Luffy has bigger attack power and durability. In a fight, Doffy would win.

Nah it's not what was shown on manga though.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nah it's not what was shown on manga though.

Except it is. Doffy maneuvered around Luffy without Luffy noticing and got next to him before Luffy's super fast attack even finished. Meanwhile, Luffy did the same with Schneider, which puts them evenly while Doffy is injured. A healthy Doffy should be faster.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Except it is. Doffy maneuvered around Luffy without Luffy noticing and got next to him before Luffy's super fast attack even finished. Meanwhile, Luffy did the same with Schneider, which puts them evenly while Doffy is injured. A healthy Doffy should be faster.

Nah, as I said .. it your assumption, never shown on manga. Doffy can maneuvered around Luffy doesn't mean it as speed as Luffy can disappear in front Doffy. It not evenly at all, Luffy still can turned, but Doffy can't. G4 is super fast, but Luffy can't always on the peak of speed. Anyway as always.. you will denied this... so be it. Doesn't really matter... not long enough Luffy will pound the floor with Admiral. Doffy will be left in the dust.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nah, as I said .. it your assumption, never shown on manga. Doffy can maneuvered around Luffy doesn't mean it as speed as Luffy can disappear in front Doffy. It not evenly at all, Luffy still can turned, but Doffy can't. G4 is super fast, but Luffy can't always on the peak of speed. Anyway as always.. you will denied this... so be it. Doesn't really matter... not long enough Luffy will pound the floor with Admiral. Doffy will be left in the dust.

The fact that Doffy went around Luffy before Luffy changed his stance and noticed his movement means he also disappeared to Luffy because Luffy couldn't see him and physically react till he stopped moving. A healthy Doffy would be even faster.

 

[giostep]

we have to wait and see.

 

[gameove]

Law can beat luffy with df. Anybody who say else is crazy .ya we know luffy did the finale blow on Duff but cum on .law vs Duff n admiral and then has to fight Duff again ingered as ****..please .... I'm not saying luffy can beat law. He can butgive props where its deserved

 

[KingHashirama]

Zoro and Sanji based on feats i don't care if he's got something up his sleeve until he shows it The skill gap between Zoro and Sanji is huge.

So technically if Sanji has something to showcase, then technicaully Zoro does as well XD.

 

[loj]

Law can beat luffy with df. Anybody who say else is crazy .ya we know luffy did the finale blow on Duff but cum on .law vs Duff n admiral and then has to fight Duff again ingered as ****..please .... I'm not saying luffy can beat law. He can butgive props where its deserved

He can't.

His df sure is op but consumes way to much stamina.After one GK he was pretty much done.

Luffy can just tease Law untill he loses stamina with G2,G3 and hell even G4.

Law vs Luffy can have many scenarios.But I still think Law can't defeat Luffy.

So technically if Sanji has something to showcase, then technicaully Zoro does as well XD.

Well Sanji sure needs something big if he wants to close that gap a little cause really Zoro would mid him now.

 

[OG sama]

Except it is. Doffy maneuvered around Luffy without Luffy noticing and got next to him before Luffy's super fast attack even finished. Meanwhile, Luffy did the same with Schneider, which puts them evenly while Doffy is injured. A healthy Doffy should be faster.

So you say G2 =G4 in speed but yet say Doflamingo is faster because he managed to counter one attack. Ignoring the fact that he got just about blitzed the other times? He may have reacted the other times but he could only outmaneuver that one attack.

G2 Luffy prior to Doflamingo getting hit with GK never showed to be any slower than Doflamingo.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So you say G2 =G4 in speed but yet say Doflamingo is faster because he managed to counter one attack. Ignoring the fact that he got just about blitzed the other times? He may have reacted the other times but he could only outmaneuver that one attack.

G2 Luffy prior to Doflamingo getting hit with GK never showed to be any slower than Doflamingo.

Why would one G4 attack be faster than another? And Doffy is fast enough to dodge and get around Luffy while he is in G4, but he can't keep that up all the time due to injury.

A clone swatted away a Jet attack with no effort. Be real.

 

[OG sama]

Why would one G4 attack be faster than another? And Doffy is fast enough to dodge and get around Luffy while he is in G4, but he can't keep that up all the time due to injury.

A clone swatted away a Jet attack with no effort. Be real.

Because the punch Doflamingo outmaneuvered was a simple punch much like a regular pistol. The attack even gained momentum after it was dodged. Its like a set up attack.

Then got one shotted by a jet gatling.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because the punch Doflamingo outmaneuvered was a simple punch much like Jet pistol. The attack gained momentum only after it was dodged. Its like a set up attack.

Then got one shotted by a jet gatling.

There is literally no evidence or indication of that. How would a punch that becomes stationary after completion gain momentum after that? After Doffy dodged, it stopped moving. How did something that stopped moving at a certain point build up momentum at that point? It gains momentum because of Luffy contracting it into his body, building up tension and then propelling it by releasing that tension. It doesn't build up momentum while moving anyways, the strength of G4 is that the momentum needed is built inside Luffy's body, evident by how Luffy released Kong Gun at point blank range and it sent Doffy flying.

One shotted? Uhm, no, they were fighting for a while on the second level. Luffy killed it with a Jet Gatling.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Luffy was portrayed as stronger than Law from Law's debut.

Luffy had second biggest bounty of all supernovas (unlike Kid's, Luffy's bounty reflect his strength, he earned his bounty by defeating Arlong, Crocodile, Lucci), with sentense "Kid has bounty bigger than your because of his brutaly" is implied that Luffy is strongest supernova.

During the time skip, Luffy trained with Rayleigh, Law didn't even took it serious, he chilled and didn't want to go to NW right away. If anything gap during time skip just went bigger.

 

[loj]

Luffy was portrayed as stronger than Law from Law's debut.

Luffy had second biggest bounty of all supernovas (unlike Kid's, Luffy's bounty reflect his strength, he earned his bounty by defeating Arlong, Crocodile, Lucci), with sentense "Kid has bounty bigger than your because of his brutaly" is implied that Luffy is strongest supernova.

During the time skip, Luffy trained with Rayleigh, Law didn't even took it serious, he chilled and didn't want to go to NW right away. If anything gap during time skip just went bigger.

U are underrating Law now.

If anything Luffy would high-extreme diff Law.Nothing more nothing less.

 

[OG sama]

There is literally no evidence or indication of that. How would a punch that becomes stationary after completion gain momentum after that? After Doffy dodged, it stopped moving. How did something that stopped moving at a certain point build up momentum at that point? It gains momentum because of Luffy contracting it into his body, building up tension and then propelling it by releasing that tension. It doesn't build up momentum while moving anyways, the strength of G4 is that the momentum needed is built inside Luffy's body, evident by how Luffy released Kong Gun at point blank range and it sent Doffy flying.

One shotted? Uhm, no, they were fighting for a while on the second level. Luffy killed it with a Jet Gatling.

It never even lost momentum then and the attack was pretty predictable until it retracted. Still my point still stands, explain to me how Doflamingo is faster than G4? Cause you still haven't proved anything, dodging one attack isn't going to make Doflamingo faster. G4 Luffy outmaneuvered Doffy multiple times even when he was using his awakening, and G2 Luffy which you claim is just as fast dodged white break from healthy Doffy.

Even Abdullah and jeet one shotted the clone, with simple stabs. Its not unreasonable to believe that he one shotted after finally getting out of being cuffed by the strings, which could even be the reason the fight lasted as long as it did. Not to mention Bellamy who Luffy didn't want to hurt was there.

 

[-Akuma-]

You're obviously never going to comprehend this simple concept.

You're obviously never going to understand the simple reason why I don't consider Law using room as a sustainable mode.

Activating Koka IS the defense against Schneider. Did you forget that Haki was introduced as an invisible shield, for defense?

Again read the rest of my comment he could physically react to Luffy aka move out of the way.

Yes, Luffy noticed Doffy before the kick. However, Luffy couldn't see Doffy move from in front of him to the side of him in an arc. If Luffy noticed Doflamingo during his movement, why did he look at him only after he stopped?

He obviously tracked him, when people lose sight of someone there' usually some '!?' or '!!' in the panel they lose sight like when Doffy lost track of Luffy, there was none of that it was obvious Luffy never lost sight of him.

If you look below Luffy when Doffy kicked him, there are exclamation marks. That means he WAS startled. And seeing as Luffy knew Doffy's kick would bounce off, it only makes sense that he was startled at the speed and not the harmless attack.

He was startled by the kick, if he was startled by Doffy disappearing the '!!' would of appeared before Luffy looks right at Doffy. Why would Luffy look right at Doffy then be startled after? Luffy tracked DD the whole way and at the end of the day this isn't about DD vs Luffy it's about Law and Luffy.

Another testament to Doffy's speed is that when he appeared next to Luffy, his arm hadn't even snapped back yet, it was still extended for that attack, he was still looking forward as though Doffy was still there and his right arm was still cocked back in the same position. Doffy moved from in front of Luffy, to Northeast of Luffy, to Southeast of Luffy before Luffy's attack could even end and before Luffy could even turn around and notice him.

Can you post this scan.

The same way Luffy couldn't physically react to him dodging the punch, circling around him and kicking him.

Doffy may not have been able go dodge, he was still able to react by becoming alert to Luffy neing next to him, and then defend from the attack by using Koka.

Luffy could treack him tha's all that matters, you frget they're in mid air and Doffy's mobility in the air is way better than Luffy. But once again just because Doffy could react doesn't mean Law can.

 

[gameove]

Well least we know one thing ...luffy can't beat Duff by him self lol

 

[ToshiZO]

I don't know why Law's room being sustainable is even something worth arguing over. Law isn't gonna sit there and brawl with you, his fights don't last long, he needs a couple attacks and you're done.

Look how long brawlers like Smoker and Vergo lasted against Law....their stamina, haki, durability sure helped them out did it? Luffy is in the same boat, those other factors don't really come into play against Law especially if you are in the same tier as him.

Also with intel Law knows about G4 and its limits, he does these two things
1.Take Luffy out before he goes G4 and deny him the chance of going G4
2.When Luffy activates G4 use his room and teleport to a far away place, and keep doing so to avoid any combat with Luffy until his G4 runs out.

With intel I really dont see Luffy beating Law with his hax.

 

[Phoenix110]

Definitely Zoro and Sanji