[Discussion] Bigger gap

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Can I ask that you not respond by putting bolded messages into the quote box? It makes it hard and tedious to respond to replies like that while on mobile.

No, Law blocked it because of Koka. Here he holds his arms in front of him and uses Armament Haki to block the slash.

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You need to reread Thriller Bark. The entire Strawhat crew fought Oars and Moriah. Remember when Zoro got kicked through a building? He also received heavy damage from that fight. Luffy's fatigue was at such a level, that he did not have the endurance to remain conscience. When Zoro took this level of fatigue and it was added to his own, he remained conscience, which means greater endurance. This was pre-skip, but is there a single thing indicating this has changed post skip?

Law didn't have trouble cutting Vergo. Law didn't attempt go cut Vergo once before he got his heart back because Vergo was constantly squeezing it. Law only made one cut throughout their entire fight, and it cut Vergo in half.

Law has trouble cutting Smoker because Smoker is made of smoke. When his body is cut, it just reattaches automatically. Luffy doesn't have that same ability. No, moderate Haki isn't good enough because Vergo had the skill to cover his entire body and it did nothing for him.

It was a high diff because of how tricky Pica's ability was, not because his fighting power was too great.

Off guard Vergo? How was Vergo off-guard when he was struck while charging directly at Law? Smoker also did no significant damage to Vergo whatsoever.

No, your point doesn't stand. GK was never said to be life threatening.



You are very poorly understanding such a simple concept. Gears and Room both have to be activated. Saying Law starts with his best Room already activated is the same concept as saying Luffy starts with his best Gear already activated





Except he did react to the Schneider. The exclamation marks are him reacting to Luffy appearing beside him. If Doffy was unable to react to the Schneider, how did he know to activate Koka on his face?


And Doffy did the same to Gear 4 Luffy in this page.

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He was able to circle around Luffy and get behind him before Luffy noticed.



Failing to react IS getting caught of guard, guard, so yes, blitzing someone is catching them off guard using sheer speed. Doffy reacted to Luffy's presence beside him, indicated by the exclamation marks, and reacted to Schneider by activating Koka to block it.

I showed pages right next to each other of Doffy dodging Gear 2 and 4 the exact same way, and getting caught by both the exact same way. They are obviously identical reactions.

G4 also uses Luffy's elasticity, so yeah it would make sense if he did get a speed boost and it doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense because he did show a boost in speed once he entered G4. [/FONT]
No, he did not. And how would being more elastic mean he gets a speed boost? That makes no sense. Gear 4 is activating Gear 2 while contorting your body to form folds and using Haki to control the extensions and contractions. Gear 4 is just Gear 2 with more power.

first of all if law could cut vergo at any time he wanted why didn't he just do it at the beggining.i doubt a half cut man could squeeze a persons heart.vergo was overconfident thats why he lost.

i know all SH's fought against oars but luffy went solo against him at the last momments given he had nightmare powers but that was a just a physical power up he was still exhausted.he sufferd more damage

 

[xanonymosx]

luffy having or mastering\Gear stacking for now just simply does not make sense

it`s either that
1- gear stacking is stronger than gear 4 which does not make sense cause every thing indicates that g4 is his strongest card
2- it`s weaker than g4 which does not make sense either because if so he should have used it before trying g4

 

[-Akuma-]

You are very poorly understanding such a simple concept. Gears and Room both have to be activated. Saying Law starts with his best Room already activated is the same concept as saying Luffy starts with his best Gear already activated

Whenever I make a thread I'll label it 'Room Law vs insert character here' just for you

Except he did react to the Schneider. The exclamation marks are him reacting to Luffy appearing beside him. If Doffy was unable to react to the Schneider, how did he know to activate Koka on his face?

Being defenceless and being kick in the face is reacting now? Alright let me change it for you, Doffy couldn't not physically react to Luffy.

And Doffy did the same to Gear 4 Luffy in this page.

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He was able to circle around Luffy and get behind him before Luffy noticed.

I honestly hope you're ****ing joking Luffy literally turns around and looks at him straight on before he was kicked, plus Luffy wasn't startled which usually happens when someone loses sight of someone.

Failing to react IS getting caught of guard, guard, so yes, blitzing someone is catching them off guard using sheer speed. Doffy reacted to Luffy's presence beside him, indicated by the exclamation marks, and reacted to Schneider by activating Koka to block it.

I showed pages right next to each other of Doffy dodging Gear 2 and 4 the exact same way, and getting caught by both the exact same way. They are obviously identical reactions.

Ok let me say it in a different way Doffy could not physically react to Luffy at all in that panel, I'm pretty sure Doffy has been able to physically to G2. So no Doffy getting smacked straight in the face isn't really the same reaction he was showing against G2, at the end of the day aswell Doffy's reaction are again far above Law's so just because Doffy can do it doesn't mean it applies to Law.

No, he did not. And how would being more elastic mean he gets a speed boost? That makes no sense. Gear 4 is activating Gear 2 while contorting your body to form folds and using Haki to control the extensions and contractions. Gear 4 is just Gear 2 with more power.

He can propel himself forward using it, he uses a similar methods to boost his striking strength aswell, but then again even if it make no sense for him to be faster he is so it honestly doesn't matter.

 

[KesOnFire]

Zoro and Sanji

 

[Punk Hazard]

first of all if law could cut vergo at any time he wanted why didn't he just do it at the beggining.i doubt a half cut man could squeeze a persons heart.vergo was overconfident thats why he lost.

Because everytime Law activateD Room or attempted some kind of attack, Vergo squeezed his heart and prevented him from doing so.

i know all SH's fought against oars but luffy went solo against him at the last momments given he had nightmare powers but that was a just a physical power up he was still exhausted.he sufferd more damage

That doesn't matter whatsoever. The fact of the matter is, Luffy's fatigue knocked him out. Zoro having that same amount of fatigue plus his own did not knock him out. That means Zoro has greater endurance.

Whenever I make a thread I'll label it 'Room Law vs insert character here' just for you

You're obviously never going to comprehend this simple concept.

Being defenceless and being kick in the face is reacting now? Alright let me change it for you, Doffy couldn't not physically react to Luffy.

Activating Koka IS the defense against Schneider. Did you forget that Haki was introduced as an invisible shield, for defense?

I honestly hope you're ****ing joking Luffy literally turns around and looks at him straight on before he was kicked

Yes, Luffy noticed Doffy before the kick. However, Luffy couldn't see Doffy move from in front of him to the side of him in an arc. If Luffy noticed Doflamingo during his movement, why did he look at him only after he stopped?

plus Luffy wasn't startled which usually happens when someone loses sight of someone.

If you look below Luffy when Doffy kicked him, there are exclamation marks. That means he WAS startled. And seeing as Luffy knew Doffy's kick would bounce off, it only makes sense that he was startled at the speed and not the harmless attack.

Another testament to Doffy's speed is that when he appeared next to Luffy, his arm hadn't even snapped back yet, it was still extended for that attack, he was still looking forward as though Doffy was still there and his right arm was still cocked back in the same position. Doffy moved from in front of Luffy, to Northeast of Luffy, to Southeast of Luffy before Luffy's attack could even end and before Luffy could even turn around and notice him.

Ok let me say it in a different way Doffy could not physically react to Luffy at all in that panel, I'm pretty sure Doffy has been able to physically to G2. So no Doffy getting smacked straight in the face isn't really the same reaction he was showing against G2, at the end of the day aswell Doffy's reaction are again far above Law's so just because Doffy can do it doesn't mean it applies to Law.

The same way Luffy couldn't physically react to him dodging the punch, circling around him and kicking him.

Doffy may not have been able go dodge, he was still able to react by becoming alert to Luffy neing next to him, and then defend from the attack by using Koka.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

And Doffy did the same to Gear 4 Luffy in this page.

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He was able to circle around Luffy and get behind him before Luffy noticed.

Nope, you are wrong, Luffy still can see Doffy, because Doffy still there, only Luffy react not fast enough. But on Doffy case he lost Luffy's track (Luffy disappear), it big different. Although on the last moment Doffy can sense danger so he active CoA, it only shown that Doffy's reaction speed is better than Luffy, that's all.

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[Punk Hazard]

Nope, you are wrong, Luffy still can see Doffy, because Doffy still there, only Luffy react not fast enough. But on Doffy case he lost Luffy's track (Luffy disappear), it big different. Although on the last moment Doffy can sense danger so he active CoA, it only shown that Doffy's reaction speed is better than Luffy, that's all.

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Check my above reply. Doffy was able to move to two new locations around Luffy before Luffy's Cavalry Cannon even finished. Luffy didn't notice him moving in the arc until he was already at the side of him, and then surprised him with the kick's speed.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Check my above reply. Doffy was able to move to two new locations around Luffy before Luffy's Cavalry Cannon even finished. Luffy didn't notice him moving in the arc until he was already at the side of him, and then surprised him with the kick's speed.

Nah Luffy notice him, only his reaction speed not enough. He can sense, but cannot react... that's it. Duffy cannot sense Luffy on some point.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nah Luffy notice him, only his reaction speed not enough. He can sense, but cannot react... that's it. Duffy cannot sense Luffy on some point.

You have no proof of this. Observation Haki is probable, but nothing supports that Luffy was using it. Oda would have given some indication prior to Luffy turning if he had noticed

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

You have no proof of this. Observation Haki is probable, but nothing supports that Luffy was using it. Oda would have given some indication prior to Luffy turning if he had noticed

Nah, it out of question if Luffy didn't use CoO when he is on really serious mode fighting with someone on Doffy caliber. Luffy speed is practically like teleportation in Doffy eyes, but Doffy speed only super speed so that Luffy reaction is little late.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nah, it out of question if Luffy didn't use CoO when he is on really serious mode fighting with someone on Doffy caliber. Luffy speed is practically like teleportation in Doffy eyes, but Doffy speed only super speed so that Luffy reaction is little late.

Not really, seeing as Luffy didn't even look over till he was done moving.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Not really, seeing as Luffy didn't even look over till he was done moving.

As I said, Doffy movement is fast, Luffy turning his head but Doffy already behind him. And don't assume that are huge time between Doffy moving circle and his kick, it's only happen like instant, if that took long time like you suggest (he stop moving) Luffy will definitely have interserve his kick.

 

[Punk Hazard]

As I said, Doffy movement is fast, Luffy turning his head but Doffy already behind him. And don't assume that are huge time between Doffy moving circle and his kick, it's only happen like instant, if that took long time like you suggest (he stop moving) Luffy will definitely have interserve his kick.

Speed is distance divided by time. The less time Doffy took, the faster he moved. My argument this whole time is that it is fast and he made the maneuver in a short time span.

 

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By feats the gap b/w Luffy and Law is bigger.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Speed is distance divided by time. The less time Doffy took, the faster he moved. My argument this whole time is that it is fast and he made the maneuver in a short time span.

Yes, he fast ... but Luffy speed is actually like teleportation, but Luffy can't always move on teleportation speed, similar with Kizaru. So my point is the peak of speed on G4 > G2.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes, he fast ... but Luffy speed is actually like teleportation, but Luffy can't always move on teleportation speed, similar with Kizaru. So my point is the peak of speed on G4 > G2.

The exact same kind of speed was seen from Doffy when he dodged Gear 2. Lots of people disappear and reappear. It happened when Lucci and Luffy fought, from both people, and they were even.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

The exact same kind of speed was seen from Doffy when he dodged Gear 2. Lots of people disappear and reappear. It happened when Lucci and Luffy fought, from both people, and they were even.

I can't recall Luffy disappear in front Doffy using G2. It's different eyes, Doffy eyes ability is much-much better than Lucci .. so that not same at all.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I can't recall Luffy disappear in front Doffy using G2. It's different eyes, Doffy eyes ability is much-much better than Lucci .. so that not same at all.

That's not the point I'm trying to make. Luffy and Lucci were equal to each other, but there were times when both just saw the other vanish, like Luffy did wiry Doffy. Because that happened with two people that were equal, it doesn't mean it happening is a sign of superiority.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

That's not the point I'm trying to make. Luffy and Lucci were equal to each other, but there were times when both just saw the other vanish, like Luffy did wiry Doffy. Because that happened with two people that were equal, it doesn't mean it happening is a sign of superiority.

Nah, I doesn't say it is a sign of superiority, what I want to say that on the peak G4 faster than G2. So it happened with two people that were equal, and you are admit that Luffy = Doffy, that's good point.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nah, I doesn't say it is a sign of superiority, what I want to say that on the peak G4 faster than G2. So it happened with two people that were equal, and you are admit that Luffy = Doffy, that's good point.

No, Doflamingo is not equal to Luffy. In G4, I'd say Doffy is faster while Luffy has bigger attack power and durability. In a fight, Doffy would win.