[Discussion] Bigger gap

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Equal in capabilities. Luffy has more brute strength, Law has more hax, and using them, they can accomplish pretty much the same things.
They honestly can't Luffy trumps Law in most categories bar hax and arguably stamina, Law vs G4 Luffy will end in a similarly to Law vs Doflmaingo on the bridge in terms of difficulty.
 

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They honestly can't Luffy trumps Law in most categories bar hax and arguably stamina, Law vs G4 Luffy will end in a similarly to Law vs Doflmaingo on the bridge in terms of difficulty.
Hardly. Luffy's attacks have too many gaps. I don't see Gear 2 generating enough force. Gear 3 is way too slow for Law, and Law can strike before Gear 4. The way I see it going down, Law hits GK as Luffy is going G4 or during G4. Luffy then beats Law unconscious and then succumbs to his injuries. Both lose, both win.

G4 assault did pretty much the same amount of damage that GK did, bear in mind.
 

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Hardly. Luffy's attacks have too many gaps. I don't see Gear 2 generating enough force. Gear 3 is way too slow for Law, and Law can strike before Gear 4. The way I see it going down, Law hits GK as Luffy is going G4 or during G4. Luffy then beats Law unconscious and then succumbs to his injuries. Both lose, both win.

G4 assault did pretty much the same amount of damage that GK did, bear in mind.
Again I'm assuming G4 is already active or Luffy starts in it, so Law isn't stronger G4 Luffy if he has to strike before Luffy enters G4. G4 Luffy>>Law but Law has more of a chance to win in a actual fight before G4 is activated.
 

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Again I'm assuming G4 is already active or Luffy starts in it, so Law isn't stronger G4 Luffy if he has to strike before Luffy enters G4. G4 Luffy>>Law but Law has more of a chance to win in a actual fight before G4 is activated.
Then Law starts in a mountain sized Room. Shambles behind Luffy by 50 meters, Luffy loses where Law's location is, Law slices him while out of his range of perception and attack.
 

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Then Law starts in a mountain sized Room. Shambles behind Luffy by 50 meters, Luffy loses where Law's location is, Law slices him while out of his range of perception and attack.
Yes because that's comparable to Luffy staring in G4.....Keep reaching Riker, Law's not beating Luffy in G4.
 

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Yes because that's comparable to Luffy staring in G4.....Keep reaching Riker, Law's not beating Luffy in G4.
So Luffy is just walking around in G4 casually when he runs into Law? That makes more sense? You're letting Luffy start at his absolute best,but not Law? You're reaching further than Luffy in a competition with Mr. Fantastic with that bias assed stipulation. If Luffy can start it off at his very best mode that requires activation, then Law does too.
 

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Hardly. Luffy's attacks have too many gaps. I don't see Gear 2 generating enough force. Gear 3 is way too slow for Law, and Law can strike before Gear 4. The way I see it going down, Law hits GK as Luffy is going G4 or during G4. Luffy then beats Law unconscious and then succumbs to his injuries. Both lose, both win.

G4 assault did pretty much the same amount of damage that GK did, bear in mind.
You're acting like it takes Luffy a while to enter G4, it took him like 1 second to activate it. If Law's GK misses, Law is going to suffer from a huge drop in stamina.
 

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You're acting like it takes Luffy a while to enter G4, it took him like 1 second to activate it. If Law's GK misses, Law is going to suffer from a huge drop in stamina.
Says who? And seeing as Law needs to cross his fingers to use Shambles and he had one arm when he Shambled with Luffy and used GK, he can activate it very quickly. It doesn't take Law long to activate Room either(activated it before Luffy reached him in Gear 2 and fast enough that Doffy and Trebol didn't notice it), He can activate it before Luffy lands a G4 hit. Like I said, mountain sized Room, get behind Luffy and strike the confused pirate.
 

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Law vs Luffy is too much of a disscusion.

One has OP fruit and one has G4 which can't be maintained forever.

GK vs G4 if quiet interesting.

But then again im giving it to Luffy since stamina could make a difference there.It takes way more stamina while maintaining ROOM.

I mean the fight won't end in 5 minutes anyways.
 
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Again I'm assuming G4 is already active or Luffy starts in it, so Law isn't stronger G4 Luffy if he has to strike before Luffy enters G4. G4 Luffy>>Law but Law has more of a chance to win in a actual fight before G4 is activated.
Luffy can most probably beat Law without g4 anyway, especially if he can stack both gears like i think he can. His only dangerous move to avoid is gamma knife and he couldn't land it on Doffy without luck, back-up plan and outside help. It's never landing on Luffy. Doflamingo was styling on him in close combat and Base Luffy showed comparable reaction speed. In g2 he is even faster. Stacking it with g3, and he gives considerable damage especially with the concussive force. Observation helps to predict Law's future movements. Armament block Law's cutting ability just like how Doflamingo could do and his armament wasn't much greater
 
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How is Law stronger than Luffy?
If they are fighting an opponent on their tier id favour Law.
If they are fighting each other id favour Law.
If they are fighting an opponent stronger than them id favour Luffy.

Law with intel will expose Luffy...he has hax and is by far the smarter one who will pinpoint all of Luffys weaknesses. Brute strength can only take you so far...Law will take out Luffy before he enters gear 4. He will dedicate everything to making Luffy unable to transform with intel.

If there is no intel Law wins for sure cause Luffy runs into a slash like Vergo did.
 

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So Luffy is just walking around in G4 casually when he runs into Law? That makes more sense? You're letting Luffy start at his absolute best,but not Law? You're reaching further than Luffy in a competition with Mr. Fantastic with that bias assed stipulation. If Luffy can start it off at his very best mode that requires activation, then Law does too.

Letting Luffy start in a sustainable mode is normal the fact you even brought Law starting up in a mountain sized room is reaching and even then he would get blitzed.


Luffy can most probably beat Law without g4 anyway, especially if he can stack both gears like i think he can. His only dangerous move to avoid is gamma knife and he couldn't land it on Doffy without luck, back-up plan and outside help. It's never landing on Luffy. Doflamingo was styling on him in close combat and Base Luffy showed comparable reaction speed. In g2 he is even faster. Stacking it with g3, and he gives considerable damage especially with the concussive force. Observation helps to predict Law's future movements. Armament block Law's cutting ability just like how Doflamingo could do and his armament wasn't much greater
True.
 

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ofc zoro and sanji for someone who is supposed to be "close in power" the gap is huge to the point it`s not even funny after he shows something decent ,this fact may change
 
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Letting Luffy start in a sustainable mode is normal the fact you even brought Law starting up in a mountain sized room is reaching and even then he would get blitzed.




True.
Room is far more sustainable than Gear 4. And it's not like I'm making up a mountain sized Room either, he showed it on Punk Hazard. You're letting Luffy start at is best possible mode, which needs activation, but not the same for Law? Obvious bias is obvious.

And no, Law wouldn't get blitzed. Nothing indicates that Gear 4 is any faster than Gear 2(Doffy noted its power increased, but did nothing of the sort to it's speed). Law has the speed advantage with Shambles and can perform before Luffy closes the gap between them.
 

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Law and Luffy. Zorro has a chance of defeating Sanji and vice versa. In Law and Luffy's side Law wont be able to cut Luffy when he enters G4 which is GG mode. Sure he can cut a monster haki user (im looking at you Vergo!) but not a haki infused rubber which even doflamingo coudn't cut. Law's only chance of defeating luffy is having a head start before Luffy goes Pound mode. Even Law's knife wont be a factor since its so slow and requires catching the opponent unaware.
 
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Law and Luffy. Zorro has a chance of defeating Sanji and vice versa. In Law and Luffy's side Law wont be able to cut Luffy when he enters G4 which is GG mode. Sure he can cut a monster haki user (im looking at you Vergo!) but not a haki infused rubber which even doflamingo coudn't cut. Law's only chance of defeating luffy is having a head start before Luffy goes Pound mode. Even Law's knife wont be a factor since its so slow and requires catching the opponent unaware.
Law's cuts ignore durability. Nothing indicates Luffy's Haki can nullify Law's cuts, and being rubber won't protect him from the DF ability.

GK isn't exactly slow. Law was able to form it in the blink of an eye. If Luffy goes G4, Law can just switch himself with something while Luffy is inflating and pierce him.

Law could also teleport himself far away out of Luffy's line of sight and strike him with a long range cut as Luffy looks for him.

Luffy wouldn't make it to Gear 4 tbvh. Not because Law is so overwhelminy strong or anything, but because Gear 2 and 3, which he'll most likely use first, leave him too open to getting done in by hax. If Luffy goes full G4 right away, then nothing is stopping Law from going full mountain Room right away, which would be dangerous for Luffy.
 
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Room is far more sustainable than Gear 4. And it's not like I'm making up a mountain sized Room either, he showed it on Punk Hazard. You're letting Luffy start at is best possible mode, which needs activation, but not the same for Law? Obvious bias is obvious.

And no, Law wouldn't get blitzed. Nothing indicates that Gear 4 is any faster than Gear 2(Doffy noted its power increased, but did nothing of the sort to it's speed). Law has the speed advantage with Shambles and can perform before Luffy closes the gap between them.

Room is not considered a sustainable mode, you don't see people make threads and label it 'Room Law vs Zoro'. Law can make the room but he's not keeping it up for long, again 'Room Law' isn't considered a sustainable mode and Law still loses either way.


Nothing indicates G4 is faster than G2 but Luffy launches Doflmanigo across Dressrosa before he know what happens? Falmingo was fine with reacting to G2 Luffy while he struggled greatly against G4 Luffy, though some of it was due to injury, Luffy also crossed Dressrosa immediately in G4 something Luffy can't do or hasn't shown in G2. Law is not shambling before he can be tagged or Law would never be tagged in fights, Law get blitzed especially if the distance is short.


 
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