Base Naruto Jonin lvl ??

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your a hater haha xd
Lol ok sure if stating facts is hating then yea
Therefore, he saved Sakura in base mode, not in SM.

Making clone in a blink of an eye and catching sword without hurting himself? Jounin level skill. Even Karui was very impressed.

If base Naruto isnt Jounin level shinobi, then Asuma also isnt, since he isnt stronger at all.
lol your logic is flawed if he is running in sage mode and it fades right as he gets there that don't make it base speed

The sword was on the dull side lol so he didn't hurt himself due to that lol


Ok fine if that's what you think Lol
 

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lol your logic is flawed if he is running in sage mode and it fades right as he gets there that don't make it base speed
He couldnt left SM just before he get there, since some leftovers from SM markings would be visible around his eyes.
-> those markings dont dissappear right away, and Narutos eyes were perfectly normal when he saved Sakura. That was base speed.
The sword was on the dull side lol so he didn't hurt himself due to that lol
Naruto managed to move away from sword, make shadow clone and catch that sword with it. All of that in split of a second.
 

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are people still seriously still debating this. Kakashi blatantly said Naruto was the very least on par with him.

"I wonder if he's already surpassed me"
In Storm 2: "He's practically surpassed me"
In the viz translation: "He's surpassed me"
Get the hint kishi's telling you?


In Storm 2: "He's practically surpassed me" - Kishi doesn't write the Games

In the viz translation: "He's surpassed me" - Kishi doesn't do the English Translations.

Do you get the hint?The only thing that is kishi doing, is Kakashi wondering, the key word is wondering, if Naruto surpassed him.This was all base on naruto learning one new jutsu.I doubt one jutsu would place naruto above Kakashi.Case in point, Kakashi took on MS Sasuke and was matching up well with MS Sasuke.Base Naruto couldn't dream of doing that.

Kakashi said that most Jounins have mastered at least two chakra natures, not that they have to. Gai dont have any chakra nature mastered and yet hes Jounin.
Just because it hasn't been shown in the manga, doesn't mean Gai doesn't have a chakra nature master.The 4th Hokage chakra nature has never been shown, but we do know he has master one because of what Kakashi said.Furthermore, Gai speed,strength,stamina(chakra) and taijutsu are all 5/5.A feat naruto can't match.
 
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In Storm 2: "He's practically surpassed me" - Kishi does write the Games

In the viz translation: "He's surpassed me" - Kishi doesn't do the English Translations.

Do you get the hint?The only thing that is kishi doing, is Kakashi wondering, the key word is wondering, if Naruto surpassed him.This was all base on naruto learning one new jutsu.I doubt one jutsu would place naruto above Kakashi.Case in point, Kakashi took on MS Sasuke and was matching up well with MS Sasuke.Base Naruto couldn't dream of doing that.
Yeah, Kakashi > base Naruto, but it doesnt mean that base Naruto isnt Jounin level shinobi. You imagine Asuma matching MS Sasuke? I dont.
 

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Lol ok sure if stating facts is hating then yea


lol your logic is flawed if he is running in sage mode and it fades right as he gets there that don't make it base speed

The sword was on the dull side lol so he didn't hurt himself due to that lol


Ok fine if that's what you think Lol
u are the one who talking about facts?
we saw naruto saved sakura with his "jounin speed"
i dont know why the hell u are in such denial to say he was in sage mode
cause we didnt saw sage mode , we saw base naruto :)
stop making assumptions jeez
*oh lets save sakura in sage mode and then 1 second later turn back to base mode because well its not like there is standing a crazy raging emo uchiha before me who wants to slith everyone's throats bcs the worlds to fkn hard"
OH wait... there is
 
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Yeah, Kakashi > base Naruto, but it doesnt mean that base Naruto isnt Jounin level shinobi. You imagine Asuma matching MS Sasuke? I dont.
What is your fascination with Asuma? Do you think somehow placing Base Naruto above Asuma would make Base Naruto a jonin? Well, dream on.As for the databooks being outdated, there is an easily way around that.Is Base Naruto as fast as Kakashi? The answer is not even close.Databook - Kakashi's speed is 4.5/5 to Asuma's 4.5/5.Meaning Asuma is as fast as Kakashi.Asuma has Short, Mid, and long range jutsu with two chakra nature.Base Naruto has only short range jutsus, with one chakra nature.


So base on facts, Asuma is faster, Smarter, and has a better variation of jutsus than Base Naruto.No matter how you cut it, Asuma skills are superior to Base Naruto.
 

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Naruto is a way ahead than other Jonins said my Shikamaru's father. After mastering sage tech.s he achieved maturity. And now his BM can be compared to Kage level. But this is only on the basis of power. Naruto got no maturity as for kage till now. .
 

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What is your fascination with Asuma? Do you think somehow placing Base Naruto above Asuma would make Base Naruto a jonin?
No, it just makes him Jounin level shinobi.
.Is Base Naruto as fast as Kakashi?
Currently? After situation with Sakura I would say - why the hell not? That was high-level speed. Besides, just becuase Asuma and Kakashi have the same stat doesnt mean that they are just as fast. Gai and Kisame have same stat in stamina, yet Kisames chakra was several times bigger than Gais.
Asuma has Short, Mid, and long range jutsu with two chakra nature.
Honestly, Asuma didnt display nothing impressive. I would put base Naruto with bunch of clones with bigass Rasengans over him any day.
So base on facts, Asuma is faster, Smarter
He isnt faster. He may be smarter, but only in daily life, not in combat.
No matter how you cut it, Asuma skills are superior to Base Naruto.
Well, from what Ive seen you are in minority with your opinion. No wonder, though.
 
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Naruto is a way ahead than other Jonins said my Shikamaru's father. After mastering sage tech.s he achieved maturity. And now his BM can be compared to Kage level. But this is only on the basis of power. Naruto got no maturity as for kage till now. .
Try reading the thread before posting.Base Naruto means no Sage Mode and no Kyubi mode.So what Shikuka said doesn't pertain to this thread.

No, it just makes him Jounin level shinobi.

Currently? After situation with Sakura I would say - why the hell not? That was high-level speed. Besides, just becuase Asuma and Kakashi have the same stat doesnt mean that they are just as fast. Gai and Kisame have same stat in stamina, yet Kisames chakra was several times bigger than Gais.
Currently, no.Naruto speed hasn't been shown near the level of Kakashi.The only instant you can even bring up is when naruto save Sakura.An instant where naruto was shown running in sage mode before he even got to sakura.As for Asuma speed, go back to part one when he took out those 9 sound shinobi.Now show me where naruto has shown a similar feat with speed.

Honestly, Asuma didnt display nothing impressive. I would put base Naruto with bunch of clones with bigass Rasengans over him any day.
Sasuke destroy naruto clones with ease in part one with a genin level fire release jutsu.Ebisu took them on with ease in part one as well.Naruto clones aren't anything special.Even in part two,naruto's clones disappear with the slightest punch or attack from a decent jutsu.Asuma fire release jutsu could take Naruto's clone out easy.Rasengan is useless unless you can get close to an opponent.Case in point, Naruto couldn't do anything to stop Diedara because he lack any long range jutsu.Base Naruto arsenal isn't enough to take on nearly any of the jonin we have seen because he limited to close range combat.Anyone with mid to long range jutsu could take base naruto.Again, whether you are inpress with Asuma or not, Asuma has a better variety of jutsus.

He isnt faster. He may be smarter, but only in daily life, not in combat.
He faster, unles you can show me a battle where naruto showed superior speed.As for intelligence,it's idiotic to say Asuma is smarter in daily life, but not combat.Firstly, Asuma has far more battle experience than naruto, on top of Asuma being smarter.Your comment is dumb.Asuma like nearly every Jonin, and most chunin are smarter than naruto overall.Daily life or combat.That is a fact.Go back to my older post to see my take on naruto intelligence, I'm not going to write it again.

Well, from what Ive seen you are in minority with your opinion. No wonder, though.
The majority are usually the people who watch stupid movies without plots and think they are great (Transformers, anyone).The majority are the reason why Kesha and Britney Spears and Lil Wayne are platinum selling artist.The majority of people are simple wrong most of the time.This time is no different.
 
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Naruto speed hasn't been shown near the level of Kakashi


An instant where naruto was shown running in sage mode before he even got to sakura.
I already proved that Naruto saved Sakura with base speed, so why do you repeat that nonsense?
Sasuke destroy naruto clones with ease in part one with a genin level fire release jutsu
Only, his skill with clones greaty imporved since then.
-> This is the strenght of current Naruto clones.

Asuma fire release jutsu could take Naruto's clone out easy.


Rasengan is useless unless you can get close to an opponent.
Naruto get close to Kakuzu and Deva path, I see no reason why he wouldnt be able to get close to Asuma.
Case in point, Naruto couldn't do anything to stop Diedara because he lack any long range jutsu.
Case in point, Deidara was Kage-level shinobi who could fly. Asuma is not Kage-level, he also cant fly.
 

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What do you guys think ? i think he is jonin level , he has a large arsenal of techniques ( powerful too ) he has a decent speed , he's intelligent ( But we are only talking in base mode )What do you guys think ? :shrug:
why consider base naruto
kyuubi & sage mode are the parts of his personality and we love him whatever his personality is

and of course he is jonin lvl.

i think he is kage level actually
 

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In Storm 2: "He's practically surpassed me" - Kishi doesn't write the Games

In the viz translation: "He's surpassed me" - Kishi doesn't do the English Translations.

Do you get the hint?The only thing that is kishi doing, is Kakashi wondering, the key word is wondering, if Naruto surpassed him.This was all base on naruto learning one new jutsu.I doubt one jutsu would place naruto above Kakashi.Case in point, Kakashi took on MS Sasuke and was matching up well with MS Sasuke.Base Naruto couldn't dream of doing that.
That's not the point, note that the scan I gave is a fan translation but the message in all 3 quotes is consistent and I trust Kakashi's quote(which was written by kishi). He's not pondering about Naruto just being equal to him but thinking he could be even stronger. Kakashi's not an idiot, he knows his own power and this points to him being at least an equal to him.
 

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I already proved that Naruto saved Sakura with base speed, so why do you repeat that nonsense?

Only, his skill with clones greaty imporved since then.
-> This is the strenght of current Naruto clones.





Naruto get close to Kakuzu and Deva path, I see no reason why he wouldnt be able to get close to Asuma.

Case in point, Deidara was Kage-level shinobi who could fly. Asuma is not Kage-level, he also cant fly.
nice points :)
 

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That's not the point, note that the scan I gave is a fan translation but the message in all 3 quotes is consistent and I trust Kakashi's quote(which was written by kishi). He's not pondering about Naruto just being equal to him but thinking he could be even stronger. Kakashi's not an idiot, he knows his own power and this points to him being at least an equal to him.
It has already been said though that Naruto surpassed him in terms of POWER that doesn't make him above kakashi in my opinion U_U
 

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I'd say he could win a fight like a jounin, but at the same time he doesn't have some stuff most jounin have (second element, calmness, thoughtful decisions cough sasuke cough)

plus can you see him with a genin team?
 

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He couldnt left SM just before he get there, since some leftovers from SM markings would be visible around his eyes.
-> those markings dont dissappear right away, and Narutos eyes were perfectly normal when he saved Sakura. That was base speed.

Naruto managed to move away from sword, make shadow clone and catch that sword with it. All of that in split of a second.
Ok I'm going to link you some stuff then we can talk

Naruto using sage modeto save Sakura
Not in sage mode


Goes into sage mode


Him still in SM




And magically he saves her in base mode :sy:


Lol if you cant see it afrer this then I don't know what to say for you :shrug:


Now for your statment about sage marks lasting

Your link


What you left out


and its gone quickly as it comes


still gone


he goes back in and right back out


So the markings leave quickly :shrug:

u are the one who talking about facts?
we saw naruto saved sakura with his "jounin speed"
i dont know why the hell u are in such denial to say he was in sage mode
cause we didnt saw sage mode , we saw base naruto :)
stop making assumptions jeez
*oh lets save sakura in sage mode and then 1 second later turn back to base mode because well its not like there is standing a crazy raging emo uchiha before me who wants to slith everyone's throats bcs the worlds to fkn hard"
OH wait... there is
See above and feel sad after you do :sy:
 
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