Base Naruto Jonin lvl ??

[GodaimeRaikage]

Actually, hes one of most clever shinobi when it comes to combat.

Hes fast even in base (saving Sakura), and has great skill with his clones and transformation jutsus. I dont see how base Naruto is weaker than Asuma. Definietly Jounin level.

I'm assuming when you say "Hes fast even in base (saving Sakura)". you mean when Sasuke was about to stab Sakura with that Kunai;which wouldn't be Base Naruto, because he was in Sage Mode.As for Naruto cleverness, Naruto tied to attack Preta Path with a Rasengan moments after telling himself Preta Path ability, which was to absorb ninjutsu.Even when learning Rasenshuriken, Kakashi had to explain the logic of using shadow clones to Naruto at a child's level.Something all of Konoha 11 would have got just from Kakashi telling them, Naruto only got after Kakashi made him send a shadow clone with his shadow clone into the forest.Your argument for why naruto's intelligence is refuted by the manga.For the few times naruto has shown cleverness, he has far more were he has shown child like stupidity.

I dont see how base Naruto is weaker than Asuma.

Asuma Sarutobi, ranks above naruto in Intelligence(obviously), Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, Taijutsu,Speed,Strength, and Hand Seals.The only thing Base Naruto has over Asuma is Stamina because of his massive chakra reserve.If you don't see how Base Naruto is weaker than Asuma, you are an idiot.With Base Naruto being only a close range fighter who skills are below Asuma's in every single category except one, how exactly can you argue for Base Naruto being stronger? I can only assume you don't know what I mean when I say Base Naruto.

lol its funny , dont matter with how many facts u can come up with here , some people are still in denial :shrug:

Yes, people like you who think opinions are facts.People who don't know the difference between "it's" and "its".People who use "u" instead on "you" and "dont" instead of "don't".In other words, dumbasses.

i beleave naruto base lvl is higher then sasukes base lvl.

your saying he has learned nothing but power ups during these past like 300 chapters in manga.

you make no sence.
naruto's endurance and chakra is the uzumaki bread and butter it seems. its not just the 9tail.

he's show afew times that he's not the smartest in conversation but in battle his intel is way past chunin lvl.

i'm also guessing him saving sakura didn't change anything for his speed vs that super fast sasuke.

*Face Palm*
You can believe what you want, but the facts are the facts.Base Sasuke is stronger and more skilled than Base Naruto.The Manga>>>>>What you Believe.

The Uzumaki Clan was known for longevity, vitality, and large chakra. I said Naruto chakra was above everyone else, so why bring it up again?Even with his Naruto Large chakra, that chakra doesn't heal his injure; the nine tails does.

Naruto intelligence- Read what I told the guy above.Especially, the Preta Path part.

Saving Sakura - He's was in Sage Mode.We are talking about Base Naruto.

 

[Turson]

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Another poor soul in denial. Gotta sleep, I will continue tomorrow.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Another poor soul in denial. Gotta sleep, I will continue tomorrow.

This coming from someone who provided not one fact to back up his claim.I have already proven you wrong with facts(Databooks,Base Naruto feats and Jutsus), so there is no need for you to come back tomorrow to spout more nonsense.

 

[Turson]

I'm assuming when you say "Hes fast even in base (saving Sakura)". you mean when Sasuke was about to stab Sakura with that Kunai;which wouldn't be Base Naruto, because he was in Sage Mode.

You dont even know how SM Naruto looks like? That was base Naruto who saved Sakura, his eyes were normal, and there were no traces of SM markings.

As for Naruto cleverness, Naruto tied to attack Preta Path moments after telling himself Preta Path ability.

Pfttt... I can give you a shitload of situations were Naruto actually outsmarted his opponents, that werent stupid eaither. Zabuza, Neji, Pain you chose.

Even when learning Rasenshuriken, Kakashi had to explain the logic of using shadow clones to Naruto at a child's level.

I said that Naruto is one of most clever shinobis during combat, not in learning. The way he came up how to defeat 3rd Raikage? He had many situations like that.

For the few times naruto has shown cleverness, he has far more were he has shown child like stupidity.

Not when hes fighting.

Asuma Sarutobi, ranks above naruto in Intelligence(obviously), Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, Taijutsu,Speed,Strength, and Hand Seals.

You are using that out dated Databook stats?
Naruto definietly isnt slower than Asuma ->

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His Taijutsu also isnt inferior. ->

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Same can be said about Ninjutsu. ->

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That was shadow clone with no SM or KM. Any questions?

When it comes to strategy during battle Naruto is actually better than Asuma.

If you don't see how Base Naruto is weaker than Asuma, you are an idiot.

No no, its just that you are not paying enough attention while reading manga, or are just biased.

This coming from someone who provided not one fact to back up his claim.I have already proven you wrong with facts(Databooks,Base Naruto feats and Jutsus), so there is no need for you to come back tomorrow to spout more nonsense.

Are you angry becuase I owned you in Sasori vs. Tsunade thread? :shrug:

 

[black uchiha]

Another poor soul in denial. Gotta sleep, I will continue tomorrow.

Lol look below

This coming from someone who provided not one fact to back up his claim.I have already proven you wrong with facts(Databooks,Base Naruto feats and Jutsus), so there is no need for you to come back tomorrow to spout more nonsense.

This....lol thanx

 

[Vexorian]

To be Fair Kakashi did do Some damage to him + he was Already in his "Final form" When naruto started at attack.

If Fresh Naruto went up against a Fresh Kakuzu with Zero info on each other, Naruto would of been dominated.

I do believe Naruto would have been dominated if Kakuzu didn't have to watch Kakashi and Yamato.

 

[aaronthewu]

in sage mode he killed pain i bet you anything thats kage level

his base mode nearly killed kakuzu, who fought the 1st hokage.
he is jounin level, but he might not meet the requirements, such as elemental manipulation. all he has is rasenshruiken. but seriously, is he not stronger than the fodder ninja that fight in the war right now? like cmon...

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Seriously? Some ppl on here are saying base Naruto= barely jonin since they think hes not as powerful as Kakashi or Gai.

LOL

Do u ppl know that those are maybe the best Jonins in the series?

Kakashi himself is around kage lvl

With many S rank and A rank jutsu!
Sharingan, intelligence, MS, Kamui, experience!

And even Kakashi said that Naruto (base) was on par with him!

Also its clearly obvious that Naruto wud rape a jonin lvl ninja in a 1v1.

Why?

Rasengan- A rank jutsu
Shadow Clone Jutsu- A or at least B rank (solid clones)
Rasenshuriken- Forbidden jutsu

Not to mention intelligence and determination and best of all AMAZING CHAKRA!!!!

So yes he wud defeat a jonin very very easily maybe even 5 jonins lol.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

You need more than power to get jonin. Otherwise he would have been promoted already.

 

[Luminousi]

I don't think he is well rounded enough to be jonin yet.

 

[Novac]

I don't get why people are saying sasuke base is high jonin? If he's at base then we should take away his sharingan and if that happens hes really not impressive at all. And I only said to take away his sharingan cause that would be like taking away the kyuubi from naruto. But ya sasuke would be worse then naruto in completely base!

 

[Turson]

Lol look below

This....lol thanx

Wanna some facts? Ok.

Naruto definietly isnt slower than Asuma ->

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,

His Taijutsu also isnt inferior. ->

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,

You must be registered for see links

Same can be said about Ninjutsu. ->

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That was shadow clone with no SM or KM. Any questions?

When it comes to strategy during battle Naruto is actually better than Asuma.

You still gonna say that base Naruto isnt Jounin level?

 

[black uchiha]

Wanna some facts? Ok.

Naruto definietly isnt slower than Asuma ->

You must be registered for see links

,

His Taijutsu also isnt inferior. ->

You must be registered for see links

,

You must be registered for see links

Same can be said about Ninjutsu. ->

You must be registered for see links

That was shadow clone with no SM or KM. Any questions?

When it comes to strategy during battle Naruto is actually better than Asuma.

You still gonna say that base Naruto isnt Jounin level?

Lol yes I am, and here's why....

Link 1) rock lee is much faster he is not jounin lvl :shrug:

Link 2&3) rock lee tai is far greater then catching a sword :sy: but he is not jounin lvl :shrug:

Link 4) rock lee has gates to open yet he is not jounin lvl

This also can apply to others of the leaf 12

My point is just because he can use multi shadow clone and resengan don't make him jounin lvl....:shrug: but think what you will

 

[Turson]

Link 1) rock lee is much faster he is not jounin lvl

Actually he is Jounin level when he uses his gates.

My point is just because he can use multi shadow clone and resengan don't make him jounin lvl.... but think what you will

Its becuase of his skill with these techniques why he is Jounin level. Again, mind to explain to me how base Naruto is weaker than Asuma?

 

[kibaclaw]

Once he got sage mode he became Kage level. He also began fighting extremely intelligently at that point, don't forget. And Kakashi said Naruto surpassed him several times while Naruto was in the "do not use Kurama no matter what" period of time.

 

[black uchiha]

Actually he is Jounin level when he uses his gates.

Its becuase of his skill with these techniques why he is Jounin level. Again, mind to explain to me how base Naruto is weaker than Asuma?

Asuma is one of the weakest of the jounin IMO but all we have is his hype to go off of. But asuma has a better thought process then Naruto, his moves and calculations are more precise, he knows how wind works better then Naruto...etc, etc, etc

 

[Totalflash101]

He's defintetly one of the top jonin in the village

 

[phantomlord22]

Like most , I'm agree too

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

Asuma is one of the weakest of the jounin IMO but all we have is his hype to go off of. But asuma has a better thought process then Naruto, his moves and calculations are more precise, he knows how wind works better then Naruto...etc, etc, etc

i think Naruto is over asuma , like ... way over :scorps:

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Actually he is Jounin level when he uses his gates.

Its becuase of his skill with these techniques why he is Jounin level. Again, mind to explain to me how base Naruto is weaker than Asuma?

How can you explain something to an idiot.I already provide fact on why Asuma Sarutobi is better than Base Naruto.Asuma out ranks Base Naruto in every single category except Stamina(Chakra).Stop asking the same dumb question when it has already been answer.Asuma Sarutobi>>>>>Base Naruto.

The facts are the facts.You can argue against the Databooks and Feats.