karol the don
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Big mom stomps, geez since when can keep a low lvl warlord with a top yonko XD . Kuma is already gone when he trys to repel a dang. Big mom tank all their low lvl stuff with ease.With flamingo dis is gangstah rape stuff.
[VS] bartholomew Kuma and Bartolomeo vs Big Mom and doflamingo
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chopstickchakra
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Barto's barriers have been proven insanely durable but also have never been tested by a Yonkou level opponent not to mention they can still move so what good would the barrier do if BM can knock it back into him? It'd literally work against him in that scenario.
How do we know BM couldn't turn a barrier into a homie too? And if she could what would that mean for Barto's abilities? He can only produce one set of constructs at a time i.e. when he made the stairs he'd have to disassemble them to make a new structure so if that's true and BM took one how could he make new barriers?
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Lmao... but he already did though.. im confused..
Big mom if she wins, wins by HIGH dif.. Kuma would teleport her into the middle of the ocean.. how she surviving drowning?
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I never meant Bartolomeo alone can handle her; but as a team. Imagine an indestructible barrier and an all repelling force backing it. It's a synonymous of version of Naruto's Yata Mirror which repels back all attacks.
I fully included the possibility that Big mom can turn it into her soul; but Kuma's presence completely negates that factor; repelling the incoming homies back at her or sending it to an other country.
They proceed like this; repelling while blocking simultaneously; negating Doflamingo's strings and her souls easily; when they reach near proximity; teleport big mom herself along with Doflamingo into a spiky forest or deep into the ocean or lethally wound them by pushing the barrier on them/ repelling a shot of pressured air into thier vital spots.
Bartolomeo teamed with Big mom; would win though; it's just that this certain combo is too versatile.
chopstickchakra
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To be fair he did that to them pre skip and BM's above both of them currently. Also Kuma has to touch you to transport you and we're not entirely sure how that even works; Can it go through haki? Can it send the victim anywhere or only wherever they want to go most?
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I reference you to my other post, how do we know Kuma can teleport them wherever he wants, iirc his teleportation sent the victim to where they most wanted/needed to be, is there an instance of him teleporting them somewhere he chooses/dangerous? Or else why would he have chose Amazon Lily for Luffy or Okamaland for Sanji? Kuma just happened to know the best places for everyone to go to train? How'd he know about that sky city Nami went to? etc. That's why he asks them "where would you want to go" or however he phrases it.
How does Kuma's presence negate the factor that she could(possibly) turn Barto's barrier into a homie? Homie's aren't incoming, they're physically planted into an object by BM so when Barto sends his barrier into BM(a tank btw) she can slam a soul into it and turn it into a homie, then Barto couldn't(shouldn't be able to anyway) disperse that barrier as it's become a sentient being and also would be unable to produce new barriers as shown with the staircase incident at DR.
That's a nice scenario but you're painting it in the most beneficial and successful way for your view possible. Unless Barto makes a circle Doffy with his speed and clones and awakening has a chance to get around the barrier which means Kuma would have to focus on attacks from behind. While he's doing that BM can slam the barrier and even if it doesn't break it can still be sent flying back smashing into Barto and Bart.
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Sir Blades
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Going based on all their abilities. I would say Team 1 wins with medium difficulty.
It would be a pretty cool fight to watch.
It would be a pretty cool fight to watch.
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That was Pre-Timeskip Luffy and Sanji. I mean the current Luffy that's too wriggly for Kata and Sanji that Oven couldn't see.
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Kuma can repel space right? It was stated to push away every thing; meaning he can repel space to stop Big mom's movements including doflamingo's.
Even if we cancel that; Kuma has shown transporting to miles of distances instantly; we've seen in Thriller Bark how un-noticeably he came in front of perona.
Keeping the above in mind; Kuma can repel himself; so bartolomeo creates the barrier and let's Kuma handle the rest.
Kuma repels the barrier with one hand same time repels himself with the other hand to teleport with the barrier together; touching it; thereby repelling all souls which gets induced into it back at big mom; or to some other place.
Strings are handled through the same manner; by continuously repelling the barrier; or sending continuous shockwaves by repelling the surrounding air at doffy.
And yes; Kuma can teleport people to any place he knows; Nami didn't say "I want to go to Skypiea" nor did Zoro say "I want to go to Mihawk Island".
They were forcefully send there and Kuma was friendly with them at that point.
Was it an enemy; he would drop them in some lava arena which he is sure to've heard of.
chopstickchakra
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"Keeping the above in mind; Kuma can repel himself; so bartolomeo creates the barrier and let's Kuma handle the rest." You really just insinuated Kuma could beat BM and Doffy on his own. I'm done.
chopstickchakra
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Why do you assume it wouldn't be "infested by souls" which isn't technically right as it's only one soul per object. If she gets her soul into the barrier Kuma can't then repel it out, or rather there's no evidence he can and pushing Perona's ghosts or pain isn't the same as a soul if Kuma could exorcise souls that easy he'd kill everybody.
There's also nothing to suggest that Barto's barrier impact is strong enough to damage BM in fact the opposite is shown unless you think Barto's barriers have a greater impact force than G4? Even if his barrier is reflected by Kuma nothing proves that speed/force is significant to do damage to BM.
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Rikudou Tobi
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Don’t tell me you think an admiral can beat a yonkou? The three great powers?
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The Balance of power is the Yonkou = Marine HQ + the Shichibukai. Individually, the Yonkou = Admirals. With a few exceptions, such as WB and Kaido.
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If Yonkou=Admirals then the Balance of Power wouldn't be Yonkou=Marine+Shichibukai in the first place.
Shanks is also way stronger than the Admirals too, we are able to see that when Sakazuki conceded to Shanks and Shanks beat Kaido in his scuffle.
I don't see how the Admirals are stronger than the Yonkous based on their performance.
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Yonko commanders are way past vice-admirals. even Barto took one out... It's not odd to think marines would need to fill competition for them. Most of the shichibukai didnt even fight WB so much as his crew.