[VS] bartholomew Kuma and Bartolomeo vs Big Mom and doflamingo

[Uverdore9]

Fighting location: Marine-ford.
Distance: 44 m
Scenario 1: title matchup.
Scenario 2: shift Bartomeo and doflamingo to opposie teams.

Will there be a difference in Scenario 2 results? How will Sc.1 go?

 

[Wrappering_]

So many probabilities here, If Doffy gets to restrain Kuma then it's a game over; otherwise, I still feel like Team one has the better chance of coming out on top. I mean both Bart and Barth can block and reflect pretty much everything back at BM, not sure about Doffy's parasite and Birdcage though. To me it looks like Team one got this High-Very High Diff.

 

[Passerby]

Zues and Prometheus solo.
Big Mom won't even have to do anything.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Big Mom fodderizes both of them. What were you thinking when you made this thread?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Fighting location: Marine-ford.
Distance: 44 m
Scenario 1: title matchup.
Scenario 2: shift Bartomeo and doflamingo to opposie teams.

Will there be a difference in Scenario 2 results? How will Sc.1 go?

BM's team wins regardless if she's with Doffy or Barto I think

 

[BusinessManTeno]

lol im curious as to why ppl think zeus and promo can one.. break through bart barrier or two not be repelled by bart..

Barth will simply repel big mom into the middle of an ocean without promo or zeus and she falls into the water. GG

 

[Tomato God]

Bart has a useful fruit but he could get his soul taken.

Even doffy Bart and Kuma vs big mom still is big mom

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Linlin would decimate everyone

 

[TheNuetrix]

Really?
Just Big Mom being on either team is a guaranteed victory.



Question, shouldn't someone using Armament haki be able to punch through Bartolomeo's barriers?

 

[Sakazuki]

Big Mom fodderizes both of them. What were you thinking when you made this thread?

Big mom doesn't fodderize Kuma stfu. Hard diff at the least

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Big mom doesn't fodderize Kuma stfu. Hard diff at the least

Can you explain how Kuma would push Big Mom to high diff?

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

EVERY Straw Hat could react to Big Mom's speed before she got super thin, so there's no question if Kuma or Barto can catch Big Mom; It's a question of how their fruits react with her own and herself. Kuma can maybe, just maybe, push the souls out of her major homies and send her flying. I'm assuming Big Mom could probably resist it though since that ability seems to operate by physical force. But even if she stays, she's no monster with her physical strength countered and homies gone.

Doflamingo's the real problem here. Both Kuma and Barto are limited in how much area they can block while against a guy that can turn their entire surrounding into hostiles. Team 2 wins. Fending off Big Mom requires at least one of them to actively watch and counter her attacks, leaving the defender vulnerable, and the other person up for a 1v1 that they're bound to lose.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

EVERY Straw Hat could react to Big Mom's speed before she got super thin, so there's no question if Kuma or Barto can catch Big Mom; It's a question of how their fruits react with her own and herself. Kuma can maybe, just maybe, push the souls out of her major homies and send her flying. I'm assuming Big Mom could probably resist it though since that ability seems to operate by physical force. But even if she stays, she's no monster with her physical strength countered and homies gone.

Doflamingo's the real problem here. Both Kuma and Barto are limited in how much area they can block while against a guy that can turn their entire surrounding into hostiles. Team 2 wins. Fending off Big Mom requires at least one of them to actively watch and counter her attacks, leaving the defender vulnerable, and the other person up for a 1v1 that they're bound to lose.

not saying kuma wins but no his ability is not surrouned by physical force as he takes away luffy's pain/fatigue (which could be considered an emotion so tech kuma may be able to take away or put peoples emotions unto his enemies. I mean it wouldnt be that far fetch considering Law's shambles ability

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

not saying kuma wins but no his ability is not surrouned by physical force as he takes away luffy's pain/fatigue (which could be considered an emotion so tech kuma may be able to take away or put peoples emotions unto his enemies. I mean it wouldnt be that far fetch considering Law's shambles ability

I was referring to the teleports. I know that Kuma can do abstract stuff that may be able to bypass Big Mom's defense. I personally would like to see Kuma send himself, Barto, and Doffy to an isolated area where they can gang up on Doffy. Then, when Big Mom arrives, repeal all the damage from the beaten Doffy(not that they could do it going by pure feats) to her.

 

[Sakazuki]

Can you explain how Kuma would push Big Mom to high diff?

By reflecting every single attack big mom throws? Sure big mom will win. Kuma pushes anyone in the whole op to high diff though

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

By reflecting every single attack big mom throws? Sure big mom will win. Kuma pushes anyone in the whole op to high diff though

Not any character that actually has speed and power like Sanji or Luffy.

 

[Uverdore9]

Really?
Just Big Mom being on either team is a guaranteed victory.



Question, shouldn't someone using Armament haki be able to punch through Bartolomeo's barriers?

In the colosseum, many fighters had Haki yet none of them could break through his barrier.

 

[Uverdore9]

Kuma is being underestimated. Can't he push everything Big Mom throws at him? I'm starting to think One piece community is starting to get the same disorder plaguing Naruto Verse; thinking raw power is everything. Haki or not doesn't matter; Kuma has shown deflecting every thing which came his way; deflecting ghosts like Perona and her astral beings. That should mean he can replicate the same against Big Mom. Bartolomeo's powers are limitless in terms of durability; if it had a weakness we would've seen it by now; it's only weakness is there is a limit to how much stepping stones he creates in the air; that's all, other than that; it's unbreakable.



Team 1 low difficulty backed by pure facts and logic.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Kuma is being underestimated. Can't he push everything Big Mom throws at him? I'm starting to think One piece community is starting to get the same disorder plaguing Naruto Verse; thinking raw power is everything. Haki or not doesn't matter; Kuma has shown deflecting every thing which came his way; deflecting ghosts like Perona and her astral beings. That should mean he can replicate the same against Big Mom. Bartolomeo's powers are limitless in terms of durability; if it had a weakness we would've seen it by now; it's only weakness is there is a limit to how much stepping stones he creates in the air; that's all, other than that; it's unbreakable.



Team 1 low difficulty backed by pure facts and logic.

Yeah, blocking attacks from a Yonko is just as easy as blocking attacks from Perona and Coliseum fighters.

Makes sense.

 

[Uverdore9]

Yeah, blocking attacks from a Yonko is just as easy as blocking attacks from Perona and Coliseum fighters.

Makes sense.

That's not the point I'm trying to make. One Piece operates on No-Limits Fallacy to an extent. Bartholomew has shown being able to push anything; even intangible things; haki is just another force which resides in every one; there's no reason it wouldn't repel them.


Bartolomeo's powers are same as Kuma's, no limitations have been implied or given as of yet.