Ay vs gai

[ToshiZO]

Hirudora busting up Susano is just an assumtion backed up with a lot of evidence. But there's no actual proof.

After the hirudora got the Susano, Madara didn't show up for a whole chapter, and his Mokuryou lost all its power while it was restraining Bee, so bee could break free.

This could've happened because Hirudora destroyed Madara, and he took a whole chapter to regenerate from his wounds, that'w why he didn't show up. Bee could break free because madara "died" for a few minutes, thus the jutsu that was restraining him died along with him.

Hm I'll honestly stick with its on panel feats.

Madara could have just released the jutsu or he lost control of it due to the impact. At that point in time Madara was mostly just messing around with his opponents. The whole chapter was probably a few seconds in real time, nothing major.

 

[Conspirator.]

Gai wins it with no more than mid diff.

 

[WreckRolled]

Not when Gai gets in his face and releases it.

ay will fix his skull before that happens, there is no reason for him to back off and not attack, shunshin gg

 

[KidGamer65]

ay will fix his skull before that happens, there is no reason for him to back off and not attack, shunshin gg

Then Gai blocks him and retaliates with Hirudora.

 

[WreckRolled]

Then Gai blocks him and retaliates with Hirudora.

he won t see ay coming, doesn t block jack, v2 ay is too fast for a normal human tor react

 

[KidGamer65]

he won t see ay coming, doesn t block jack, v2 ay is too fast for a normal human tor react

If Gai is fast enough to prevent Madara from cutting him down like he did to Minato, then he can obviously react to Ay.

 

[WreckRolled]

If Gai is fast enough to prevent Madara from cutting him down like he did to Minato, then he can obviously react to Ay.

show me the scan

 

[Selan]

Gai just pastes Ei, he is on a completely different level than the Raikage, by both feats and portrayal.

Gai rapes Ei with 6th or 7th Gate. Base Gai was able to not let Rinnegan Obito (who was defeating KCM Naruto) lay a single finger on him in CQC, lower Gates Gai was able to outpace a Gudodama, 6th Gate Gai blitzed Kisame and couterblitzed some Sharingan and Rinnegan enhanced V2 Bijuu together with Sharingan Kakashi, 7th Gate Gai pressured Juudara far more than SM Minato did (with a far slower Edo Madara being able to casually react and block Ei's fastest speed while being already busy to dodge Mei Terumi's Yoton ninjutsu; Gaara, who witnessed Ei's max speed and even Ei's max speed lightned by Onoki, called Gai's movements "not human"). The Green Beast is faster, stronger, with better reflexes and far more taijutsu skills, and has powerful ougi like Asa Kujaku and especially Hiru Tora that Ei can't defend from.

Gai is also portrayed as far stronger as one of the key players in the War Arc and the Eternal Rival of a shinobi of Kakashi's caliber and relevance, Ei is just one of the Gokage. Worn out Gai smashed away Edo Madara destroying his V3 Susanoo with Hiru Tora, while Ei needed Onoki to power himself and Tsunade to combo with him to destroy Madara's V1 Susanoo.

 

[KidGamer65]

show me the scan

Gai engages Madara in close combat and instead of cutting him down like he did to Minato, he gets pushed back.

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[WreckRolled]

Gai engages Madara in close combat and instead of cutting him down like he did to Minato, he gets pushed back.

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wow you actually posted scans, thanks for not having a giant ego like other ppl on this site, however in these scans gay simply gives madara no time to counter(and he uses hirudora at the end), it shows his movement and taijutsu speed but he did not react to anything, it's madara that reacted to him, what will happen if ay tries to tank a hit to counter like he did with sasuke's chidori ?

 

[KidGamer65]

wow you actually posted scans, thanks for not having a giant ego like other ppl on this site, however in these scans gay simply gives madara no time to counter(and he uses hirudora at the end), it shows his movement and taijutsu speed but he did not react to anything, it's madara that reacted to him, what will happen if ay tries to tank a hit to counter like he did with sasuke's chidori ?

Nope. Attacking and defending are all dependent on reflexes. If Minato attacks Gai, and gets cut down while Gai is too fast for him to cut down, that means that Gai's movements were too fast for Madara to just cut him down like he did Minato, thus Gai>Minato in speed and reaction speed, thus he obviously reacts to Ay.

Basically, if he can move fast enough to prevent Madara from chopping him down, then he'd obviously be able to react to faster things, and Ay is not faster.

 

[WreckRolled]

there is no such rule, speed and reflexes don t scale together, attacks are not dependent on reflexes unless you can give me a reason

 

[WreckRolled]

Nope. Attacking and defending are all dependent on reflexes. If Minato attacks Gai, and gets cut down while Gai is too fast for him to cut down, that means that Gai's movements were too fast for Madara to just cut him down like he did Minato, thus Gai>Minato in speed and reaction speed, thus he obviously reacts to Ay.

Basically, if he can move fast enough to prevent Madara from chopping him down, then he'd obviously be able to react to faster things, and Ay is not faster.

there is no such rule, speed and reflexes don t scale together, attacks are not dependent on reflexes unless you can give me a reason

 

[KidGamer65]

there is no such rule, speed and reflexes don t scale together, attacks are not dependent on reflexes unless you can give me a reason

Uh, no. You will always be able to react to something your speed and things faster than your speed. To attack you have to act, and to act you need to process a thought and that's where reflexes come in.

 

[WreckRolled]

To attack you have to act, and to act you need to process a thought and that's where reflexes come in.

yes, in this case he processed the thought of attacking madara while madara was completely still, so there is no reaction time requirement in this attack

 

[KidGamer65]

yes, in this case he processed the thought of attacking madara while madara was completely still, so there is no reaction time requirement in this attack

And that movement was fast enough to prevent Madara from attacking, and Madara was fast enough to hit Minato before he could react, thus Gai's reaction speed>Minato's.

 

[WreckRolled]

And that movement was fast enough to prevent Madara from attacking, and Madara was fast enough to hit Minato before he could react, thus Gai's reaction speed>Minato's.

why can t you understand the flaw in your logic ?

let me quote you

"that movement was fast enough to prevent Madara from attacking, and Madara was fast enough to hit Minato before he could react, thusGai's reaction speed>Minato's." wrong, the SPEED of that specific attack of gai>the speed of minato's attack earlier, there is no way to compare their reaction time in this comparison

 

[Narutimate Storm]

Kid gamer so retarded logic. Gai strike speed>1 armed edo can swing a rasengan Loool, that nice. What does that have to do with reaction. If Gai strike speed was slow, he would have been counter as well. Common sense

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Gai wins this.

 

[KidGamer65]

why can t you understand the flaw in your logic ?

let me quote you

"that movement was fast enough to prevent Madara from attacking, and Madara was fast enough to hit Minato before he could react, thusGai's reaction speed>Minato's." wrong, the SPEED of that specific attack of gai>the speed of minato's attack earlier, there is no way to compare their reaction time in this comparison

I suggest you think about this harder before replying again.

1. Minato attacks Gai. Minato's attack is slower than Madara's strike, Madara cuts his arm off before he can even react.

2. Gai attacks Madara, is so fast that instead of even trying to cut him down, he jumps back. Thus Gai's speed was too much for him to just cut him down.

Meaning Madara's attempt to cut him down would've failed, meaning Gai would be able to react to Madara's strike while Minato can't, thus Gai>Sage Minato in reaction speed.

Kid gamer so retarded logic. Gai strike speed>1 armed edo can swing a rasengan Loool, that nice. What does that have to do with reaction. If Gai strike speed was slow, he would have been counter as well. Common sense

Take Minato's penis out of your mouth and then reply to me fapboy.