Attacks vs Susanoo

[ARGUS]

Ummm did you read what I said? Fūton Casket > Base Sandaime, FRS > Sandaime's shroud. Fūton Casket + FRS > Sandaime Raikage. PS is not cutting him in half, the slash is large enough to destroy 1/3 of a mountain, his body gets utterly decimated.

The bold is wrong,
Base Third Raikage still tanked the futon casket with minimal damages,
claiming that fuuton casket > third raikage would mean that the jutsu would kill him, when that clearly is not the case

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and the second bolded is also wrong, since the raikage is still tanking FRS and Futon casket, he is not dying by these attacks,
aand theres also the notion that the third raikage possibly tanked a TBB from the hachibi during their encounter,

and again, i dont see why you bring up the PS slash argument when im well aware that he dies from it

 

[wael reda]

Lightning pierces better than Wind. That is all that was said here. Nothing more, nothing less. That doesn't mean Raikiri will pierce deeper than FRS.


Proof? Oh wait, you don't have any.


Lol, what? 4 Fingered Nukite drills through multiple Rock Walls. Raikiri doesn't have a feat that even compares to that. One Fingered Nukite>>>>>>>>>>>Raikiri.



The panel is clear, you just don't want to see it. It tanking his attack doesn't mean he won't attack with it again, because that's his best technique. You don't shift from a stronger technique to a weaker technique.




Kishi made it clear, and Kakashi commenting on it isn't a necessity.

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He tried to pierce, but it didn't go all the way through.

Yes ,normal lightening jutsu can pierce stronger than normal wind jutsu ,deeper or not ,kakashi will pierce as long as his hand can stretch

Proof?are you serious? Lightening is a better piercing element than wind said by kisami let alone raiki which has 2 kinds of manipulation that makes it stronger 10 times than the normal piercing lightening said by kakashi himself when he was training naruto

You are the one who needs a proof that danzo's wind/FRS is better piercing jutsu than raiki because manga disagrees with you totally

Kakashi's raiki kunai was cutting the giant rocks into two by just putting the kunai's blade on it
Raiki cut through steel like a butter while 4 fingered hell stab couldn't cut through rubber

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Raikage was destroying the rocks not piercing it ,that mean 4fingered hell stab piercing power is much less than raiki

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No,this panel is not clear at all ,and you can clearly see this jin falling on the ground the next page
So kishi will make raiki's being tanked in 3cm x3 cm panel with no comment ,really?

No,kakashi wouldn't have attacked with raiki again if it had been already tanked,he would have retreated and come up with a plan
FRS was naruto's strongest jutsu however he didn't attack with it again when it was tanked

Kishi made it clear when raiden go through multiple chakra arms like a butter

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol, so this guy actually thinks that Raikiri is going to do more damage to the Raikage than FRS did? This guy actually thinks that Raikiri=1 Fingered Nukite?

Kakashi wank never ends does it? I'll reply later.

 

[wael reda]

Lol, so this guy actually thinks that Raikiri is going to do more damage to the Raikage than FRS did? This guy actually thinks that Raikiri=1 Fingered Nukite?

Kakashi wank never ends does it? I'll reply later.

please,you are totally disagreeing with manga by saying FRS has more piercing and cutting power than raiki

FRS is a powerful jutsu and all but when it comes to cutting and piercing power ,raiki is clearly superior


raiki feats and hype suggest that raiki can pierce the third raikage


i speak with manga facts,lightening > wind in terms of cutting power is a manga fact ,raiki ’s being stronger 10 times than normal cutting lightening jutsu is manga fact

dont call someone with manga facts a wanker

 

[Rιver]

V2 B's Lariat-Ribcage

Suidanha doesn't destroy any of them.

Joki Boy destroys a Ribcage.

Shurado Missiles destroys a Ribcage.

Senpo: Chou Oodama Rasengan deals moderate to heavy damage to a V2.

Raikiri does some damage to a Ribcage.

C4 isn't applicable here, and C3 wrecks a V2.

KN6's Bijuu Dama destroys a V2 and does heavy damage to a V3.

Shinra Tensei destroys a Ribcage, V2 tanks.

FRS wrecks a V3 and does some damage to a V4, COFRS wrecks a V4 but PS tanks.

Bijuu Hachimaki does nothing.

Hiruzen's elemental attack destroys a Ribcage, might deal some damage to a V2 but nothing major.

Naruto and B's combo Bijuu Dama wrecks every Susanoo except Kakashi (Maybe) and Sasuke's (definitely)

Juubito's Bijuu Dama wrecks any PS.

Juubi's laser does heavy damage to Madara/Sasuke's (EMS) PS. Rinnegan Sasuke and DMS Kakashi's Susanoo tank it.

Gojo wrecks a Ribcage, V2, and maybe a V3. V4 should take it with moderate-heavy damage.

Nukite rips through any Susanoo bar PS.

Kaguya's bone goes through every Susanoo.

Disagree with these, strongly. Naruto's bijūdama is doing absolutely nothing to Susano'O if Pein and himself took on one from blank range. A weaker, though from Naruto in KN4 couldn't kill Orochimaru hiding behind Rashōmons.

A regular Shinra Tensei is a joke. It couldn't kill smaller objects or people like Kakashi, Chōji, Chōza etc. There's literally too many to count. It's not even scratching Susano'O. Chō Shinra Tensei is a different story.

Rasenshuriken is overhyped. It dealing some damage to V2 is a mockery. It's doing nothing to V2 and most certainly nothing to V3. We all know that.

Hiruzen's elemental attack is not even destroying a regular ribcage. A Chō Ōdama Rasengan did nothing at all to Madara's ribcage. It's not even scratching it.

B's lariat is not even hindering ribcage. Samehada took on it with only a few scratches, ribcage is infinitely stronger.​

 

[lanakui8]

• V2 Bees Lariat: big ribcage, maybe V2 skeletal
• Suiton: Suidanha: no one knows how strong that attack is, but judging from the size, ribcage. If it absorbs susanoo then ??.
• Joki Boy: ribcage
• Shurado Missiles: ribcage
• Senpo Chou Oodama Rasengan: big ribcage
• Raikiri: breaks a rib
• C4/C3: C3 destroys skeletal. C4 does nothing since susanoo canʻt breathe
• KN6 TBB: V3 legged
• Boss Sized ST: ribcage
• FRS/COFRS: SM FRS destroys V2/V3. SM COFRS destroys V4
• 8-tails whirlwind: none
• Edo Hiruzens 5 elemental attack: ribcage
• Full powered Jinton: V3
• Naruto and Bees Full Powered TBB: Madaraʻs PS
• Juubitos Quad TBB: All
• Chojo Kobetsu: Madaraʻs PS
• BDRS: All
• Night Moth: EMS Sasukeʻs PS
• Evening elephant: EMS Sasukeʻs PS
• V1 Juubis Beam: EMS Sasukeʻs PS
• One Fingered Hell Stab: V3
• Kaguyas Bone: all

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[Brother Numpsay]

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I don't know where people find conclusive results of Gojō Kibaku Fuda against Susanoo but if we going by a logical conclusion, this techniques should be able to do as much damage as Shin Sūsenju.

For Shin Sūsenju to strip and defeat Perfect Susanoo, it needs to gather continuous giant punches until Perfect can't tank it no more. Gojō Kibaku Fuda is very similar to the fact that instead of giant punches its a continuous explosion.

To break it down, Gojō Kibaku Fuda, when exploding the first time, it was big enough to Destroy Deity Gates, that bound the Juubi's head:

Visual look:

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And the start of the explosion:

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Red ring = the start of the explosion which = Size of Gates, that bound the Juubi's head.
Brown = Deity Gates.

With logic the bigger the explosion the stronger. Now in no way does a single explosion is as concentrated as a Buijuudama but the same can be say about a single punch from Shin Sūsenju.

For the sake of the argument of energy output, a single explosion from Gojō Kibaku Fuda should = a single punch from Senpou: Shin Sūsenju.

Keep in mind Senpou: Shin Sūsenju didn't use all of its punches since most were destroy by PS+TBB so it took about 30-50% of its punches to take down PS. And thats about how much Gojō Kibaku Fuda explodes in that range.


What are your thoughts of my conclusion?

 

[lanakui8]

please,you are totally disagreeing with manga by saying FRS has more piercing and cutting power than raiki

FRS is a powerful jutsu and all but when it comes to cutting and piercing power ,raiki is clearly superior

What in the manga suggests raikiri is superior in cutting and piercing power?

Hype? Feats?

raiki feats and hype suggest that raiki can pierce the third raikage

absolutely nothing by feats or hype suggests that raikiri can pierce the third raikage. The manga making the claim that the hellstab and chidori/raikiri functioning by the same mechanics =/= raikiri/chidori get hellstabʻs feats. By that logic, Sasukeʻs chidori should have went right through Ei since Ei is no where near the same level of durability as his father.

Thatʻs like saying kid narutoʻs rasengan =

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and therefore part 1 kabuto can survive a bijuu-sized rasengan from BSM Naruto and BM Minato.

i speak with manga facts,lightening > wind in terms of cutting power is a manga fact ,raiki ’s being stronger 10 times than normal cutting lightening jutsu is manga fact

so you believe that part 1 sasukeʻs chidori has more cutting power than BM Narutoʻs FRS that had the penetrating power to cut through the juubiʻs tails?

Do you believe that beeʻs raiton pencil which went through a tree and stopped when it hit the ground has more penetrating power than any and all of narutoʻs FRS?

dont call someone with manga facts a wanker

but the thing is, youʻre not using manga facts. You state a manga fact, and then you derive a conclusion from that manga fact that has nothing to do whatʻs translated in the manga. sure raiton has more penetrating power than fuuton, that doesnʻt mean that ALL raitonʻs have more penetrating power than ALL fuutons, itʻs obviously talking about both raiton and fuuton at the same level. If Kakashi had the raiton equivalent of the FRS, then sure, it penetrates more than FRS, but he doesnʻt, all he has is raikiri which is on the same level of power as rasengan and chidori, and weaker than a senpou rasengan.

 

[KidGamer65]

Disagree with these, strongly. Naruto's bijūdama is doing absolutely nothing to Susano'O if Pein and himself took on one from blank range. A weaker, though from Naruto in KN4 couldn't kill Orochimaru hiding behind Rashōmons.​

Pain obviously didn't tank KN6's Bijuu Dama when a normal Rasengan killed him, and Orochimaru would have been killed if he didn't have all 3 of those Gates protecting him. Is that supposed to be a feat

A regular Shinra Tensei is a joke. It couldn't kill smaller objects or people like Kakashi, Chōji, Chōza etc. There's literally too many to count. It's not even scratching Susano'O. Chō Shinra Tensei is a different story.

Except that isn't a regular one, so what's your point? It had enough force behind it to throw 3 Boss Toads out of Konoha, if a Ribcage took that and was slammed toward the ground, Ribcage gets raped.

Rasenshuriken is overhyped. It dealing some damage to V2 is a mockery. It's doing nothing to V2 and most certainly nothing to V3. We all know that.

If we constaly overrate Susanoo's durability like you are doing here, then yes, we know this. When V3 doesn't get a hole opened up by Danzo's weaker Fuuton, then we can talk about Rasen Shuriken not damaging V2. (Even though Madara's V2 was getting cracked by Ay and Onoki Lol)

FRS blows V3 away and the higher variants wreck V4.

Hiruzen's elemental attack is not even destroying a regular ribcage. A Chō Ōdama Rasengan did nothing at all to Madara's ribcage. It's not even scratching it.

I could have sworn that I already cleared this up on my tier list thread. When you can show me the explosion, then we can say that he tanked it. Until then, I'll go with what the manga shows. Him knocking away the Rasengan before it ever exploded.

B's lariat is not even hindering ribcage. Samehada took on it with only a few scratches, ribcage is infinitely stronger.

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B's lariat is stronger than Ay's Lateral Chops, which broke through Susanoo. Samehada had a hole in it from the attack, and the leftover force still blew Kisame's chest out. Ribcage tanking Lariat is a joke.

Not to mention I already countered this on my tier list thread.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

The bold is wrong,
Base Third Raikage still tanked the futon casket with minimal damages,
claiming that fuuton casket > third raikage would mean that the jutsu would kill him, when that clearly is not the case

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and the second bolded is also wrong, since the raikage is still tanking FRS and Futon casket, he is not dying by these attacks,
aand theres also the notion that the third raikage possibly tanked a TBB from the hachibi during their encounter,

and again, i dont see why you bring up the PS slash argument when im well aware that he dies from it

That was not minimal damage, the injury was as deep as his scar (and that's after he had time to regenerate) and its spread out around his body. That attack would have been lethal if he was not an Edo. And no, saying Fūton Casket > Sandaime Raikage simply means that it does lethal damage that potentially renders Sandaime unable to fight for the rest of the battle. By FRS + Fūton Casket I mean a attack equivalent or greater then the damage those to have combined to render Sandaime unable to fight.

And no, he obviously did not tank a Bijudama if FRS was as close as it was to injuring him and a Bijudama is greater then even a COFRS. By the look on Dodai's face after seeing the Mini-Bijudama, it safe to say that even a Mini-Bijudama would do substantial damage, even beat him.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Yata mirror blocks all :]
Will post full list when I have time XD

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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I don't know where people find conclusive results of Gojō Kibaku Fuda against Susanoo but if we going by a logical conclusion, this techniques should be able to do as much damage as Shin Sūsenju.

For Shin Sūsenju to strip and defeat Perfect Susanoo, it needs to gather continuous giant punches until Perfect can't tank it no more. Gojō Kibaku Fuda is very similar to the fact that instead of giant punches its a continuous explosion.

To break it down, Gojō Kibaku Fuda, when exploding the first time, it was big enough to Destroy Deity Gates, that bound the Juubi's head:

Visual look:

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And the start of the explosion:

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Red ring = the start of the explosion which = Size of Gates, that bound the Juubi's head.
Brown = Deity Gates.

With logic the bigger the explosion the stronger. Now in no way does a single explosion is as concentrated as a Buijuudama but the same can be say about a single punch from Shin Sūsenju.

For the sake of the argument of energy output, a single explosion from Gojō Kibaku Fuda should = a single punch from Senpou: Shin Sūsenju.

Keep in mind Senpou: Shin Sūsenju didn't use all of its punches since most were destroy by PS+TBB so it took about 30-50% of its punches to take down PS. And thats about how much Gojō Kibaku Fuda explodes in that range.


What are your thoughts of my conclusion?

Still want someones view.

 

[lanakui8]

Still want someones view.

The force of shinsuusenjuuʻs punches created half the explosion we see in the

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That explosion is far larger than the shinsuusenjuu who in turn is far larger than the juubi as the juubiʻs body wasnʻt WAY larger than PS or mokujin and mokujin could sit no the buddahʻs head.

So Tobiramaʻs explosions should not be on the level of the buddahʻs gattling punch and should not be able to bust PS.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The force of shinsuusenjuuʻs punches created half the explosion we see in the

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I dont agree with your reasoning as 1) punches doesn't create explosions and 2) the impact makes debris. If what your premise was true then Kurama shouldn't be visible at all during the start of the continuous punches[

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That explosion is far larger than the shinsuusenjuu who in turn is far larger than the juubi as the juubiʻs body wasnʻt WAY larger than PS or mokujin and mokujin could sit no the buddahʻs head.

Your exaggerating your claim the pieces you see inside shinsuuenjutsu indicates where its standing during it and its clearly not far larger but big enough to cover it around.

and no juubi is able Senpou Mokuton/PS size [

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So Tobiramaʻs explosions should not be on the level of the buddahʻs gattling punch and should not be able to bust PS.

Like I said my premise never put it at gattling punch full power as it was never demonstrated, since its power was cut down by PS+TBB. But to what it was able to do with it partial power hits. I am equaling it from its partial hits it produce on PS.

 

[lanakui8]

I dont agree with your reasoning as 1) punches doesn't create explosions and 2) the impact makes debris. If what your premise was true then Kurama shouldn't be visible at all during the start of the continuous punches[

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1) punches do create explosions, thatʻs exactly what we see happen when shinsuusenjuu punches kyuusanoo.
2) if a punch creates an impact that sends debris flying just as far as an explosion does, then they both possess similar power. Explosions are measured by their blast radius, AKA how far they send debris flying.

not only that, but shinsuusenjuu had to have been responsible for the left half of the explosion as we saw the bijuudamashurikens exploding outward and only on the side of shinsuusenjuu. Plus, if you think about it, if shinsuusenjuuʻs punches donʻt generate exploisons, it actually hurts your argument since the TBBs would have been responsible for that giant explosion, and since shinsuusenjuuʻs gattling punch = TBB barrage, then it easily puts the gattling punch above tobiramaʻs chain explosions due to producing much larger explosions.

Your exaggerating your claim the pieces you see inside shinsuuenjutsu indicates where its standing during it and its clearly not far larger but big enough to cover it around.

Iʻm not exaggerating my claim, the pieces of shinsuusenjuu are getting blown up meaning they represent a greater area than the size of the shinsuusenjuu, yet they are still dwarfed by the explosion.

and no juubi is able Senpou Mokuton/PS size [

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I donʻt see how that scan has any bearing on my argument that the juubiʻs body isnʻt much larger than PS or Mokujin.

Like I said my premise never put it at gattling punch full power as it was never demonstrated, since its power was cut down by PS+TBB. But to what it was able to do with it partial power hits. I am equaling it from its partial hits it produce on PS.

but from the partial hits it produced on PS, it generated equivalent power to explosions that completely dwarf Tobiramaʻs chain explosion as shinsuusenjuu is far larger than the juubi and the explosion was far larger than shinsuusenjuu.

 

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1) punches do create explosions, thatʻs exactly what we see happen when shinsuusenjuu punches kyuusanoo.
2) if a punch creates an impact that sends debris flying just as far as an explosion does, then they both possess similar power. Explosions are measured by their blast radius, AKA how far they send debris flying.

Ok I see what you are saying but this

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I post shows that this was no way near Gojo explosion. When we are looking at it from start as it only barley cover Kurama while Gojo starts off covering the jubbi's face. Juubi face is bigger then Kurama alone.

Iʻm not exaggerating my claim, the pieces of shinsuusenjuu are getting blown up meaning they represent a greater area than the size of the shinsuusenjuu, yet they are still dwarfed by the explosion.

Pieces normally stay around the range of SS though considering the point of view of SS compare to mountains. There was no significant difference to show that it dwarfed SS.

And the fact that TBB were fire upwards there for when it was set it launch you expect more impact in the air.

Even with that reasoning Gojo expands around that far too.

I donʻt see how that scan has any bearing on my argument that the juubiʻs body isnʻt much larger than PS or Mokujin.

That guys Doton can cover a size of a summoning. PS and Senpou Mokuton are larger then summoning to where summoning can be around their foot level. The size of that Doton is Juubi foot level.

but from the partial hits it produced on PS, it generated equivalent power to explosions that completely dwarf Tobiramaʻs chain explosion as shinsuusenjuu is far larger than the juubi and the explosion was far larger than shinsuusenjuu.

No it doesn't. I already circled to where Gojo fires at. The manga already showed comparasions when compare to juubi minions.

Juubiminons to PS and Senpou Mokuton:

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To humans since you know it is summoning level:

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Goji compare to Juubiminion:

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Same ones

 

[lanakui8]

Ok I see what you are saying but this

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I post shows that this was no way near Gojo explosion. When we are looking at it from start as it only barley cover Kurama while Gojo starts off covering the jubbi's face. Juubi face is bigger then Kurama alone.

Considering the explosion continues off the page of that scan, I have no idea how you can argue that the scan shows anything about the upper limits of the explosion.

then thereʻs the fact that we see the bijuudamas explosions in the previous page and they donʻt reach kyuusanoo, yet later we see that kyuusanoo and the buddah are completely enveloped by the explosion result of their clash. So the explosions from the buddahʻs punches had to have been creating the left half of the clash.

Pieces normally stay around the range of SS though considering the point of view of SS compare to mountains. There was no significant difference to show that it dwarfed SS.

What do you base that statement on?

And the fact that TBB were fire upwards there for when it was set it launch you expect more impact in the air.

Even with that reasoning Gojo expands around that far too.

I donʻt see how TBBs being fired upward has anything to do with the argument when we are viewing the size of the explosion. I donʻt see how gojo is remotely comparable to the size of that blast.

That guys Doton can cover a size of a summoning. PS and Senpou Mokuton are larger then summoning to where summoning can be around their foot level. The size of that Doton is Juubi foot level.

Wait a second, when did that particular doton cover a summoning?

No it doesn't. I already circled to where Gojo fires at. The manga already showed comparasions when compare to juubi minions.

Juubiminons to PS and Senpou Mokuton:

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Same ones

so based on those scans, the gojo would only be about the size of senpou mokujin or PS right? Well that conclusively disproves the argument that its anywhere near the buddahs gattling punches since senpou mokujin is so small that it can fit on shinsuusenjuuʻs head and shinsuusenjuu is completely dwarfed by the explosion equivalent of the shinsuusenjuuʻs punches.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Considering the explosion continues off the page of that scan, I have no idea how you can argue that the scan shows anything about the upper limits of the explosion.



then thereʻs the fact that we see the bijuudamas explosions in the previous page and they donʻt reach kyuusanoo, yet later we see that kyuusanoo and the buddah are completely enveloped by the explosion result of their clash. So the explosions from the buddahʻs punches had to have been creating the left half of the clash.

I was going by your argument of its expansion=explosive power. My is calculation is going by what a single punch can do from SS while what a single explosion can do from Gojo.

@Bold proof of tbb exploding in the scans I post, before the final enveloped impact?

What do you base that statement on?

Their first explosive encounter.

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I donʻt see how TBBs being fired upward has anything to do with the argument when we are viewing the size of the explosion. I donʻt see how gojo is remotely comparable to the size of that blast.

In the sense of throw a grenade in the air. Will the impact make more of significant stress in the air or next to you?

Wait a second, when did that particular doton cover a summoning?

"particular" doton he didn't. But his Doton in general are able to reach that scaling. Unless you show the smallest that guy can make to disprove me.

so based on those scans, the gojo would only be about the size of senpou mokujin or PS right? Well that conclusively disproves the argument that its anywhere near the buddahs gattling punches since senpou mokujin is so small that it can fit on shinsuusenjuuʻs head and shinsuusenjuu is completely dwarfed by the explosion equivalent of the shinsuusenjuuʻs punches.

Your scaling are incorrect. The same Mokujin you saw vs EMS+Kurama =/= the Mokujin the one that Hashirama powered up when Edo. Vs EMS, he focuses Sage chakra on Buddha, while Edo focuses it on Mokujin.

 

[lanakui8]

I was going by your argument of its expansion=explosive power. My is calculation is going by what a single punch can do from SS while what a single explosion can do from Gojo.

Which doesnʻt change anything as the explosion goes out of the page, the page doesnʻt capture the entire thing. Not only that, but youʻre presupposing that a the buddah threw the same amount of punches as gojos explosions. What basis do you have for that claim?

@Bold proof of tbb exploding in the scans I post, before the final enveloped impact?

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we see all explosions produced by the TBBs exploding outward, none of they explode in the direction of kyuusanoo.

Their first explosive encounter.

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that doesnʻt show anything. Itʻs after the explosion and there was mokuton all over the battlefield. If what you were saying is true, there should have been lots of pieces of mokuton on the battlefield.

In the sense of throw a grenade in the air. Will the impact make more of significant stress in the air or next to you?

What do you even mean? the ʻstressʻ of the grenade inflicts on its environment are equal unless you want to deny laws of thermodynamics.

"particular" doton he didn't. But his Doton in general are able to reach that scaling. Unless you show the smallest that guy can make to disprove me.

Why do I have to disprove you? Youʻre the one making the positive claim that all of his dotons are the same scale, you have the burden of proof to show that thatʻs true. Oh, but I have something you will love. that ʻparticularʻ doton he used on gedou mazou was stated to be his strongest doton, so that automatically disqualifies your argument as all of his dotons are equal scale, but then thereʻs the fact that he DOES use that particular doton on the juubi and guess what?

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So nope, PS and mokujin are of similar size to the juubis body.

Your scaling are incorrect. The same Mokujin you saw vs EMS+Kurama =/= the Mokujin the one that Hashirama powered up when Edo. Vs EMS, he focuses Sage chakra on Buddha, while Edo focuses it on Mokujin.

Based on what do you claim any of that to be true? Do you have a scan to show that the one he used against Madara is smaller than the one he used against edo madara? If not, then your arguments are completely baseless. Mokujin created by hashiramaʻs senjutsu is mokujin created by hashiramaʻs senjutsu they are equal unless shown otherwise.

Look, donʻt even waste my time. Iʻll tell you what I told this other guy, if you have a good argument iʻd love to hear it, but if youʻre just going to argue for the sake of arguing or to relentlessly push something you want to be true, then donʻt bother responding to my posts. I say this because if you look at our discussion, youʻve been put on the pure defensive. You donʻt make any positive arguments, youʻre just trying to show that my arguments arenʻt necessarily true.

 

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Which doesnʻt change anything as the explosion goes out of the page, the page doesnʻt capture the entire thing. Not only that, but youʻre presupposing that a the buddah threw the same amount of punches as gojos explosions. What basis do you have for that claim?

The pages catches enough to make a conclusion. I can draw it out:

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I could of sworn I said for the "sake of the augment". I'm not literally going to count all the hands thats was thrown at PS and what didnt.

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we see all explosions produced by the TBBs exploding outward, none of they explode in the direction of kyuusanoo.

You dont see no explosion. All you see is TBB w/ blade cutting thorough any wood in its path..

that doesnʻt show anything. Itʻs after the explosion and there was mokuton all over the battlefield. If what you were saying is true, there should have been lots of pieces of mokuton on the battlefield.

The scan I post blocked the floor. Doesn't mean we can't deny that they are considering I just circled some still in that air. Or if you have super eye vision to location them here[

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What do you even mean? the ʻstressʻ of the grenade inflicts on its environment are equal unless you want to deny laws of thermodynamics.

I can deny your reasoning of laws of thermodynamics. The inflict to where is started denoting isnt going to cause the same damage where there was less stress. Even Tobirama's bomb show that against Deity gates.

Why do I have to disprove you? Youʻre the one making the positive claim that all of his dotons are the same scale, you have the burden of proof to show that thatʻs true. Oh, but I have something you will love. that ʻparticularʻ doton he used on gedou mazou was stated to be his strongest doton, so that automatically disqualifies your argument as all of his dotons are equal scale, but then thereʻs the fact that he DOES use that particular doton on the juubi and guess what?

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So nope, PS and mokujin are of similar size to the juubis body.

I never said = scale. I said in general thats where he Doton is at... So that scan is supporting me. @Bold.. why are we arguing to something we both agree on?

Based on what do you claim any of that to be true? Do you have a scan to show that the one he used against Madara is smaller than the one he used against edo madara? If not, then your arguments are completely baseless. Mokujin created by hashiramaʻs senjutsu is mokujin created by hashiramaʻs senjutsu they are equal unless shown otherwise.

Brah.

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Look, donʻt even waste my time. Iʻll tell you what I told this other guy, if you have a good argument iʻd love to hear it, but if youʻre just going to argue for the sake of arguing or to relentlessly push something you want to be true, then donʻt bother responding to my posts. I say this because if you look at our discussion, youʻve been put on the pure defensive. You donʻt make any positive arguments, youʻre just trying to show that my arguments arenʻt necessarily true.

I am put on the "defense" because you keep adding misconceptions after another, therefore having to correct you to make my points stand. And the whole purpose was to defend my arugment that you claims is untrue.