[Discussion] At what difficulty can Roger defeat an admiral?
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He is lol. But from a story standpoint I think someone else is gonna have to fight him besides luffy. Luffy will probably fight akainu to avenge ace, if not him then sabo will. I think it would be a little weird if luffy fought a weaker enemy then say one of his crewmates. I think marco may fight kizaru or maybe sanji, they seem like a good fit. (kicks and all)
So this thread concludes that roger would High diff any admiral?
Ok so let me see marines had sengoku as admiral at that time, Garp was a vice admiral and let us assume there was Z too. Apart from this Roger had continous run-ins with Whitebeard in his prime and still managed to stay alive and out of prison and marines only took him in when he surrendered.
So if One admiral was enough for Roger why not send 2 admirals and garp together to capture him? considering he was the man who knew the truth of one piece?
Truth is Roger in his prime would have done an admiral in like WB did to John giant.
Roger, Whitebeard, Garp, Dragon, Rayleigh. These are all legendary charachters of one piece and a level above the rest.
There were no 7 pirate kings or 4 Marine heroes or 3 Most wanted men in the world. They were only 1.
Top tier which would include Kuzan, Mihawk, 4 yonkous, 3 admirals come after this level. If one admiral was enough for Roger he would have never become the pirate king or escaped shiki and his armada on those seas. For example the story of Roger would have ended when Sengoku and Garp had cornered him.
Ok so let me see marines had sengoku as admiral at that time, Garp was a vice admiral and let us assume there was Z too. Apart from this Roger had continous run-ins with Whitebeard in his prime and still managed to stay alive and out of prison and marines only took him in when he surrendered.
So if One admiral was enough for Roger why not send 2 admirals and garp together to capture him? considering he was the man who knew the truth of one piece?
Truth is Roger in his prime would have done an admiral in like WB did to John giant.
Roger, Whitebeard, Garp, Dragon, Rayleigh. These are all legendary charachters of one piece and a level above the rest.
There were no 7 pirate kings or 4 Marine heroes or 3 Most wanted men in the world. They were only 1.
Top tier which would include Kuzan, Mihawk, 4 yonkous, 3 admirals come after this level. If one admiral was enough for Roger he would have never become the pirate king or escaped shiki and his armada on those seas. For example the story of Roger would have ended when Sengoku and Garp had cornered him.
On the other hand we can assume that Rayleigh and Shanks also know about One Piece (and ofc god Buggy) so can we assume that they too outclass everyone since "the marines don't simply send an army kf admirals after them"? also Whitebeatd seemed to know quite a lot and the WB pirates got rheir asses handed to them at MF and again what you wrotw makes next to no sense, why not go deal with WB since the Marines handled him quite easily?
And the previous era isnt a cut above the current era nor the one to come, Akainu, Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon Kuzan, Kaido, ... all are living legends and at the top of the current era, than you have Luffy, Blackbeard, Zoro, prob Sabo, ... who will become the legends of the new era
Even counting Roger the only one chatacter who will trully stand above the rest will be Luffy (and even that not because of strength but because of what he will do, don't forget that Roger failed), Luffy needs a final enemy when he reaches his peak and if he (as the PK) is really going to be a tier above the rest ... well f that!
Look at how close Luffy and Zoro are in strenght and you still need to fit several chatacters in between the pirate king and his first mate when it comes to any top list
The Pirate King, though it may seem so since the protagonists are pirates, is not rhe single most prestigious title in OPV, people often forget that there is a Marine Fleet Admiral which should be no less prestigios and we know next to norhing about thw commamder in chief, how about the current most wanted man in the world and the leader of the 3rd faction in One Piece, ...
PS: sorry, phone
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I guess you've never studied history. Unless you distribute your power well your influence will collapse. This happened within the British and Mongol Empires.
So if you send two Admirals to one location, not only are you risking the loss of an Admiral (or two, because of Rayleigh and Gabban) but you're also losing a figurehead from HQ. No clear command structure in HQ would lead to disarray.
Think of Sakazuki staying at his seat during Marineford War as a microcosm of this. Kuzan and Borsalino were off doing their thing and Sakazuki said: "if I wasn't here, who would protect the execution platform!?". Put this on a larger scale and bam! You have your answer.
Think of it this way: If Luffy reaches Admiral level and is still eons away from being the Pirate King because his strength is lacklustre and not of the calibre you insist upon; WHO will he have to overcome in order to reach such heights? Nobody. The power of the protagonist stops when you reach the top. You don't keep going because there's nothing to push you. If Luffy will be leagues ahead of everyone else the Manga would also be incredibly boring.
So clearly; Roger (whom parallels Luffy of course) would need something to overcome to become untouchable. But becoming untouchable means that you're too good to have a challenge which means you had no method of becoming so strong. It just logically doesn't make sense.
Even in Bleach, the worst written Manga of all time, Aizen who is seemingly invincible still had to overcome Yamamoto's level.
In Naruto; Naruto had to overcome Madara and Sasuke.
In One Piece, without Luffy having a challenge he can't become that strong, so clearly he never will become as strong as you say. It's so f*cking retarded.
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It's funny because with the way you guys are insisting, Luffy EOS Will be able to treat the Admirals like he can a Pacifista now. Wow. So entertaining. Luffy one-shotting everyone. Woo
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No, 2 top tiers intervened and most likely wiped the floor with him
He was attacking Navy HQ wth do you expect?
If an enemy ship is nearing NY harbour you dont send in one ship, you send in the whole fu??? Ng available east coast navy and air force and rain disaster down on them
PS ... let me check because this has to be a mistake, you said roger can high dif 3 admirals and that Roger> Shiki~=Garp+Sengoku?
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I stopped at this because I found tonne of things wrong with this post and I'll tell you that your parallel is absolute bullshit cause neither Ray, nor shanks or buggy are the PIRATE KING. So even if they do know about one piece they lack the power to do anything. Ray has retired, shanks is trapped in a 4 way fight. Buggy is just buggy.
Roger was the PIRATE KING and that was a threat not his knowledge. Marines executed Ace because they wanted to make sure that there was no other king. Also it was the PIRATE KING that was the threat and if he was such an easy target he would have been captured.
Also Kizaru explained why they would not try to capture Ray-san. AND Garp made it clear that the marines would not be able to handle a conflict with two legend at the same time, so I think you know more about admirals and their strength than GARP who actually mentored one of them. Such amazing intelligence, you know more than the characters in One piece.
As I said, Roger, Garp, Rayleigh, Whitebeard, Dragon are all one of a kind figures in the entire one piece world and fall under the LEGENDARY category.
The rest form your Top tier shit.
The legendary category is the admiral category.
WB was only able to injure one admiral during the entire war and nearly died in doing so. That admiral who he injured then went on to take on the WB commanders by himself.
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My reading comprehension is laughable? Okay then.
"If Whitebeards attack was as devastating as you've attempted to portray then Sakazuki wouldn't have been able to dominate all of the people I had listed. That was my point. Especially with regards to Marco who is certainly capable of fighting an Admiral and forcing the Admiral into a serious fight. Yet somehow Sakazuki was able to manhandle Marco, showing that in actual fact Whitebeards attack didn't even inhibit Sakazuki in the slightest. Yes, it will have hurt him (I never said it didn't), but it didn't even injure him."
1. Where are you getting these things from? Where have I ever stated, implied, or agreed with someone who said that hit was "Devastating''? I even reiterated in my last reply that I did not believe that myself. Again, I have my own individual opinion. Stop quoting me and refuting things other people are saying as if they were my views and thoughts.
2. Dude, are you sure you're replying to the correct person? I said specifically that no one is shortchanging Akainu and that his feats have long been acknowledged. I never even mentioned Marco, Vista or any of the commanders.
3. Now I'm going to try and articulate this the best I can here.
"Whitebeards attack didn't even inhibit Sakazuki in the slightest."
In the long run, no. Not at all. He eased two WB commanders, A former High-up in the Revolutionary army, A former Warlord, etc.
But, and here's where you always turn away from the monitor, on initial impact it damaged him. That is also irrefutable. Blood spewed, the HQ building got wrecked, and Akainu fell to the ground. When Akainu burned away half of WB's head it didn't slow him down for even a millisecond. He instantly countered with the aforementioned quake punch. "he wasn't immobilised because that would imply serious injury and shock" Not that it matters but I've been doing MMA for 4 years now and I'm not sure if you've ever taken a heavy blow to the ribs, solar plexus, or chest but I'll have you know that it indeed causes instant shock and pain. The injury need not be serious. That isn't even a factor. Your Knees buckle and your entire body freezes up. The feeling of pain, stiffness, and unbalance flees with the moment though. Unless it was a significantly powerful hit.
Someone 20 lbs lighter and 6 inches shorter than me can land one clean liver blow (that wouldn't even leave a bruise afterwards) and use that chance to land a direct hit in my jaw or temple and that would be the match. He is not stronger than me, his punches caused no significant damage nor would it have hindered my performance for the rest of the match. But I was immobilized in that moment and he went for the kill. See, if the ring caved in from beneath us the moment before he KOed me and I fell through the hole, I could have crawled back up and beat up all of his friends.
You get what I'm trying to say here? That Quake punch immobilized him. But only for the few seconds it would have took to finish him off. Not for the remainder of the war.
And dude, HE wasn't in midair. The platform he was laying on was in midair. If that punch didn't immobilize him for even a second as you claim then why would he not simply jump from the platform? The edge was right there. I know you're probably going to say "We can't see exactly how far down it was from 8 different angles so...". So fine, say it was farther than it seemed. Does he not know Rokushiki? Can he not simply propel himself with his magma which we've seen him do? Come on.
"Do you seriously expect Sakazuki to jump mid air out of a trench? I know he could have done it with Rokushiki but Oda needed to take him out of the picture, this in itself is open to interpretation but it doesn't mean he was paralysed (if he was it wouldn't last 10 seconds and he certainly wouldn't continue fighting)."
Dude, will you please stop yanking random things from no where? Paralysis? When did I...? *sigh* Okay, with this I'm sure you are not someone with any type of combat experience. If I got back kicked in the stomach by just about anyone in my weight class I'd before on the ground for at least 10 seconds. Anyone would. After about 30 seconds I'd be good to go and it wouldn't leave any long term damage but the initial impact is bracing to say the least. You seem to believe that if you are hindered in the slightest then you must have taken heavy damage which is not the case at all.
"And because they both could have died it's hardly a one sided fight. Sakazuki made the more damaging blows. An old age Whitebeard couldn't do anything to Kuzan, and couldn't do anything to Borsalino during their short spats. And against Sakazuki in an isolated 1v1 fight he was on the back foot for the majority of the time. And even dealt the first blow as a surprise attack to gain the upper hand. He knew he could no longer beat Sakazuki."
1. Of course he made the more damaging blows. His DF is magma for pete's sake. If he even touches you it's endgame. Idk how you're equating who's blows caused more damage to actual battle prowess. And stop making it seem like it was some elongated battle in which Akainu had WB on the edge the entire time. It was one page and consisted of three hits. Two of which were from WB. True, Boraslino and Kuzan faired rather well in their micro-spats with WB. But Kizaru barely damaged him and Kuzan didn't at at all. "He even dealt the first blow as a surprise attack to gain the upper hand" Oh, you mean exactly the same way Akainu did when he was keeled over hacking up blood? Does that mean Akainu "Knew he could no longer (win)"? That was just silly, haha.
"In his prime Whitebeard would have won, but that was no longer the case in Marineford. Against popular belief I thought Whitebeard was the weakest Yonkou (because of his age) when the battle took place.
Roger and Whitebeard were always on the same pegging as Marine Admirals. They wouldn't ever defeat an Admiral with anything less than extreme difficulty.
The majority thinks Roger can mid diff an Admiral. Re read the thread, you'll see this to be true. You have to remember this is Narutobase and not OroJackson or MilleniumForums"
That goes without saying. I agree 100% that they were on equal footing with the marine Admirals of their time. But I do not think he'd have the same difficulty with the current admirals. High difficulty, I'd say.
I actually disagree with you though. I believe Akainu would win against current events WB in a legitimate 1v1. But during their short encounter at MF, the way circumstances unfolded, it's clear to me that Akainu would have perished and WB would have went on to be killed by BB.
Well, regardless of anyone else's opinion I say Low-end High to High-end High dif for Roger against the current Admirals.
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Uzumaki Macho
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I never realized the admirals were to overrated. An admiral pushing Roger to extreme diff? Come on.
Why do you guys thinking that the manga will continue much after luffy becomes pirate king. He won't be able to defeat an admiral until the very end or perhaps the second to last arc and that fight will be extreme diff as always with luffys main fights. No one here is saying he can one shot admirals except you two lol. We said roger can high diff an admiral. Not that luffy can. And the manga won't show much of luffys days as PK. When luffy is PK he will have more growing to do. The manga doesn't end when the main characters become so op no one touches them it ends after they overcome their last obstacle, we all no that enough of a force can stop someone, but 1 admiral isn't enough. That would be too easy. 2 admirals might take roger any less and he would be too easy to beat. Lol you guys are blowing our claims out of proportion to make it seem like your claims are more valid, that doesn't work lol
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People seem to forget previous remarks about the King of the Pirates.
Akainu stated that nothing the Navy had could stop Roger and that he (a admiral who is fanatical about "justice") openly admitted respect for him.
And Chinjao said you had to be able to single handily defeat all the admirals and all of the Yonko and any other kings out there to even be worthy of being the King of the Pirates.
And don't get me started on what Whitebeard did to lava boy all by himself, he sent a admiral running for the hills with his tail between his legs.
I would say that Roger could mid diff any admiral one on one.
Akainu stated that nothing the Navy had could stop Roger and that he (a admiral who is fanatical about "justice") openly admitted respect for him.
And Chinjao said you had to be able to single handily defeat all the admirals and all of the Yonko and any other kings out there to even be worthy of being the King of the Pirates.
And don't get me started on what Whitebeard did to lava boy all by himself, he sent a admiral running for the hills with his tail between his legs.
I would say that Roger could mid diff any admiral one on one.
Uzumaki Macho
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Rayleigh said that he could hold off Kizaru, Kuma, and Sentomaru in his prime, so he can beat an admiral high diff. Roger beats Prime Rayleigh high diff so he beats an admiral mid diff.