[VS] Aokiji vs Big mom

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First of all you say "half an island size" as if all islands are the same size or all "half island" attacks are equal. Was Banaro Island as big as MF island?
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Speaking of Ace let's not forget his fire was hot enough to combat Aokiji's ice, do you think his fire is hotter then the fire created from the soul of a Yonkou?
What kind of nonsense is this? For one thing, the flames of Promotheus was not created from Big Mom's soul. She did not generate fire. It's just plain fire with a soul inside of it ot make it sentient. Promotheus' flames aren't special. Secondly, Ace doesn't make discount flames or whatever this is implying. He IS fire. Whatever the heat of fire is, that's the heat of Ace because fire is fire.

Yeah he's capable of freezing half the island in less than ten days that wasn't the question. Can he freeze half an island in an instant, and can he do it strong enough to stop a Yonkou? You haven't proven either.
Uhhh lmfao what? We see him do this in the war and when he first shows his powers by freezing the ocean between two islands.


Also what other half-island sized attacks has Aokiji done besides at MF and the wave? And his biggest(one of) attacks involved water which is a natural boost for an ice power, If there's not the water to freeze and amplify his area of effect then what's the biggest ice we've seen him make? Yes he can make large amounts with water around but BM can make Prometheus that big whenever.
What kind of logic is this? If Aokiji froze that much water, then it means he's able to spread his power across that range. All he would have to do is focus that power to generating ice than freezing what he's touching.
 

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What kind of nonsense is this? For one thing, the flames of Promotheus was not created from Big Mom's soul. She did not generate fire. It's just plain fire with a soul inside of it ot make it sentient. Promotheus' flames aren't special. Secondly, Ace doesn't make discount flames or whatever this is implying. He IS fire. Whatever the heat of fire is, that's the heat of Ace because fire is fire.
Don't act like you know exactly how BM's big 3 homies work. Napoleon is just a plain hat with her soul in it but it can generate a sword that can grow, obviously the stuff she infuses with her soul becomes beyond "normal". To your second point, fire IS fire so then why would his fire be able to stop Aokiji's ice but not BM's Prometheus? Good deflection attempt but let's try answering the question.


Uhhh lmfao what? We see him do this in the war and when he first shows his powers by freezing the ocean between two islands.



What kind of logic is this? If Aokiji froze that much water, then it means he's able to spread his power across that range. All he would have to do is focus that power to generating ice than freezing what he's touching.
Not when Ice could travel through water(being water itself) easier than other substances. If person A has electric powers and he can shoot them from his hands so he shoots it onto a train track which it then proceeds to travel across doesn't mean he shot his power the length of the train track. The substance(track/water) allowed the power(electric/ice) to reach further than normal. Which is why I asked you to show the largest AOE without water he's displayed. TBC...
 
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Don't act like you know exactly how BM's big 3 homies work.
We saw how Homies work/are made with Pandora lmfao

Napoleon is just a plain hat with her soul in it but it can generate a sword that can grow, obviously the stuff she infuses with her soul becomes beyond "normal". To your second point, fire IS fire so then why would his fire be able to stop Aokiji's ice but not BM's Prometheus? Good deflection attempt but let's try answering the question.
Did you miss the part where I said they would NEUTRALIZE each other? Actually read my posts if you're going to reply .

Aokiji's ice striking Promotheus' fire would cause the two to cancel. But because Promotheus IS fire, because that IS his "body," having some of his fire extenguished is damaging to him.

Not when Ice could travel through water(being water itself) easier than other substances.
Aokiji's fruit is not the ability to lower the temperature of other things or make them cold. Aokiji's power is the creation and manipulation of ice. Oven's fruit and Ace's fruit existing as separate things shows that making fire does not mean you can manipulate heat. Likewise, Aokiji creating ice doesn't mean he can manipulate cold.

The relevancy of this is that when Aokiji freezes something, he isn't doing so by lowering its temperate, he does so by creating ice onto and into that thing. As you said, Aokiji has to make his ice travel through the water. Meaning that he has to create enough ice to cover the entire area that he's freezing, even if it's water. Same with your lightning example; if Enel fires a bolt of lightning into water, the electricity is gonna disperse and spread in the water, but only as far as the amount of electricity Enel fired in the first place is. The water isn't producing "new" electricity when his bolt spreads.

That's the same deal with Aokiji. And that's visibly demonstrated by the fact that when Aokiji freezes the ocean, he freezes the Ruler of the Sea that comes out of the water as well. Aokiji isn't simply lowering the temperature of water until it turns to ice, he's actually creating the amount of ice we see spread throughout the ocean when he freezes it. The water doesn't facilitate ice creation at all; that's pure headcanon.
 

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We saw how Homies work/are made with Pandora lmfao


Did you miss the part where I said they would NEUTRALIZE each other? Actually read my posts if you're going to reply .

Aokiji's ice striking Promotheus' fire would cause the two to cancel. But because Promotheus IS fire, because that IS his "body," having some of his fire extenguished is damaging to him.


Aokiji's fruit is not the ability to lower the temperature of other things or make them cold. Aokiji's power is the creation and manipulation of ice. Oven's fruit and Ace's fruit existing as separate things shows that making fire does not mean you can manipulate heat. Likewise, Aokiji creating ice doesn't mean he can manipulate cold.

The relevancy of this is that when Aokiji freezes something, he isn't doing so by lowering its temperate, he does so by creating ice onto and into that thing. As you said, Aokiji has to make his ice travel through the water. Meaning that he has to create enough ice to cover the entire area that he's freezing, even if it's water. Same with your lightning example; if Enel fires a bolt of lightning into water, the electricity is gonna disperse and spread in the water, but only as far as the amount of electricity Enel fired in the first place is. The water isn't producing "new" electricity when his bolt spreads.

That's the same deal with Aokiji. And that's visibly demonstrated by the fact that when Aokiji freezes the ocean, he freezes the Ruler of the Sea that comes out of the water as well. Aokiji isn't simply lowering the temperature of water until it turns to ice, he's actually creating the amount of ice we see spread throughout the ocean when he freezes it. The water doesn't facilitate ice creation at all; that's pure headcanon.
So, how cold do you think aokijis ice is? It could be anywhere from 32 to - 5000 or more lol, If he was able to spread his ice down to doffys bones do you think he couldve broke free then like before? I'm guessing just his putter self was frozen by aokiji that first time .

And quit embarrassing chopstick please. I can't stop laughing
 

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We saw how Homies work/are made with Pandora lmfao
We saw how homies are made but we saw nothing that set terms in regards to BM's 3 main homies made directly from her soul. Have a retort that actually applies? Because as of now, you've still not provided anything that supports these imaginary parameters on BM's 3 homies you're running with.

Did you miss the part where I said they would NEUTRALIZE each other? Actually read my posts if you're going to reply .
The **** you talking about, you replied to me. Anything you said before then was a different conversation. I don't need to familiarize myself with your pages of arguments because you felt the need to reply to me.

Aokiji's ice striking Promotheus' fire would cause the two to cancel. But because Promotheus IS fire, because that IS his "body," having some of his fire extenguished is damaging to him.
Another standard Riker assumption touted as fact, Prometheus IS BM's soul in fire, "extinguishing" his flames may not impact his size as BM's soul is what gives him life so how do we know he can even be "extinguished" without direct impact on BM being required? Again, you have NO idea about the rules of Prometheus, Napoleon or Zeus. And sure we saw Zeus get small after Brook, but let's not forget Brook has soul powers that could(and likely did) play a part in that and we don't know that BM can't just inflate him again when she gets him back there's been no established rhyme or reason as to why they're growing other than BM wants them to.

Say Aokiji gets him a little wet and he does shrink some, what's stopping BM from enlarging him again, and what evidence do you have to think Aokiji can take him out of the equation with a single attack as you keep trying to force people here to accept as fact?


Aokiji's fruit is not the ability to lower the temperature of other things or make them cold. Aokiji's power is the creation and manipulation of ice. Oven's fruit and Ace's fruit existing as separate things shows that making fire does not mean you can manipulate heat. Likewise, Aokiji creating ice doesn't mean he can manipulate cold.

The relevancy of this is that when Aokiji freezes something, he isn't doing so by lowering its temperate, he does so by creating ice onto and into that thing. As you said, Aokiji has to make his ice travel through the water. Meaning that he has to create enough ice to cover the entire area that he's freezing, even if it's water. Same with your lightning example; if Enel fires a bolt of lightning into water, the electricity is gonna disperse and spread in the water, but only as far as the amount of electricity Enel fired in the first place is. The water isn't producing "new" electricity when his bolt spreads.

That's the same deal with Aokiji. And that's visibly demonstrated by the fact that when Aokiji freezes the ocean, he freezes the Ruler of the Sea that comes out of the water as well. Aokiji isn't simply lowering the temperature of water until it turns to ice, he's actually creating the amount of ice we see spread throughout the ocean when he freezes it. The water doesn't facilitate ice creation at all; that's pure headcanon.
You've already said other times DF elements behave as the element after discharge, if Aokiji froze the water around his finger tip that ice would cool the surrounding area as well. But continue to pick and choose when arguments have to follow your rules.

And no the water doesn't produce new electricity it enables it's travel distance to increase. I like how you think the substance is irrelevant though, the medium can greatly impact the resistance of an item during travel. If Enel shot a 2 inch bolt of lightning it would travel more than 2 inches across water because the ions conduct and help the electricity retain energy longer than it would across other mediums that are less conductive. If a machine pushes a block at 10 psi that block will travel further across a smooth surface than a rough surface and even further across an oiled medium. Well you are the king of headcanon so if anybody could label it, it'd be you.
 
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We saw how homies are made but we saw nothing that set terms in regards to BM's 3 main homies made directly from her soul. Have a retort that actually applies? Because as of now, you've still not provided anything that supports these imaginary parameters on BM's 3 homies you're running with.
Wrong. We saw with Pandora how a personal Homie made from a person's soul is made. If you're asserting the claim that Promotheus is a higher level of fire than other flames, YOU have to provide proof of that. I do not have to provide proof that fire=fire lmfao that's common sense

The **** you talking about, you replied to me. Anything you said before then was a different conversation. I don't need to familiarize myself with your pages of arguments because you felt the need to reply to me.
You interjected yourself into that conversation lmfao

Another standard Riker assumption touted as fact, Prometheus IS BM's soul in fire, "extinguishing" his flames may not impact his size
I didn't say anything about impacting his size, I said it would be damaging to him. Classic Chopstick tactic.

Again, you have NO idea about the rules of Prometheus, Napoleon or Zeus.
Except we have Jinbei the exposition machine of this arc yelling that Promotheus is nothing more than a giant ball of flames as he shot water into him, damaging him.

what evidence do you have to think Aokiji can take him out of the equation with a single attack as you keep trying to force people here to accept as fact?
Please do copy and paste where I said Aokiji can one-shot Promotheus, as opposed to saying that Aokiji's attacks can in all likelihood damage him. Tip to help you avoid wasting your time: I never did, I only said the latter.

You've already said other times DF elements behave as the element after discharge, if Aokiji froze the water around his finger tip that ice would cool the surrounding area as well. But continue to pick and choose when arguments have to follow your rules.
I know this man didn't just say that Aokiji froze an ocean by creating ice the size of his fingertip and then that finger tip sized mass of ice cooled down the ocean enough to freeze it all for one week, and did this in an instant. I know this man didn't just say that.

And no the water doesn't produce new electricity it enables it's travel distance to increase. I like how you think the substance is irrelevant though, the medium can greatly impact the resistance of an item during travel. If Enel shot a 2 inch bolt of lightning it would travel more than 2 inches across water because the ions conduct and help the electricity retain energy longer than it would across other mediums that are less conductive. If a machine pushes a block at 10 psi that block will travel further across a smooth surface than a rough surface and even further across an oiled medium. Well you are the king of headcanon so if anybody could label it, it'd be you.
Yeah because I'm sure this is how freezing water by continuously creating ice works.
 

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Wrong. We saw with Pandora how a personal Homie made from a person's soul is made. If you're asserting the claim that Promotheus is a higher level of fire than other flames, YOU have to provide proof of that. I do not have to provide proof that fire=fire lmfao that's common sense
Noone's saying fire=/fire I'm saying fire with a soul may not behave as fire, so extinguishing BM's fire may not be the same as extinguishing fire with no soul in it. Is that that hard to grasp?

You interjected yourself into that conversation lmfao
Replying to a different person about a different issue than what you were discussing is interjecting into your conversation? You're either insane or your ego is something bad. You were talking with others about Aokiji's impact on Prometheus, I replied to Tywinn(chk name) about this image being purported that Aokiji managed to do to PH what he did easily. Two completely different issues you tried to connect so you could continue your arguments. I wasn't in the Aokiji/Prometheus conversation until you interjected in my conversation about Aokiji at PH's affects.


I didn't say anything about impacting his size, I said it would be damaging to him. Classic Chopstick tactic.
You talked about putting ice on a flame and it smothering it in a direct correlation to Aokiji vs Prometheus implying Aokiji could do the same to Prometheus as the ice to the flame if he could produce ice larger than Prometheus which you also claim he can definitively do, despite us not knowing Prometheus' maximum size. Plus we've gotten an indication from Zeus that the big 3 can/do shrink when damaged.

Except we have Jinbei the exposition machine of this arc yelling that Promotheus is nothing more than a giant ball of flames as he shot water into him, damaging him.
Sure because Jinbei knows everything about BM and whatever he says about her should be taken as irrefutable fact, never able to be changed.


Please do copy and paste where I said Aokiji can one-shot Promotheus, as opposed to saying that Aokiji's attacks can in all likelihood damage him. Tip to help you avoid wasting your time: I never did, I only said the latter.
That was hyperbole, the narrative you're painting is that Aokiji can easily make ice massively larger than Prometheus thus can damage him easily thus can beat him easily. One-shot may have been too literal but the image you're painting is one that Prometheus is a non factor and that's not accurate.


I know this man didn't just say that Aokiji froze an ocean by creating ice the size of his fingertip and then that finger tip sized mass of ice cooled down the ocean enough to freeze it all for one week, and did this in an instant. I know this man didn't just say that.
You're right, I didn't say that and congrats on not running through a list of counterpoints to an argument you created, I'm genuinely pleased for you. What I actually said was the area of effect is beyond the area of impact and then gave an example.


Yeah because I'm sure this is how freezing water by continuously creating ice works.
Yeah because I'm sure this is a real world situation and not a fictitious work.
 
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