Anyone find these panels overly suspicious?

[a thousand years of death]

i agree with you, something is fishy.

also i have noticed a few other things that seem to stick out.

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"The fight over THERE", "Insides" are good?

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"furthermore, I'm nurturing a new eye" which cuts to sasukes sharingan.

why would it do that, why would he need to nurture a new eye when he has the rinnegan? something doesnt seem right and this sticks out for me. something tells me that sasuke is going to get a rinnegan soon and naruto is going to get a power boost of a similar scale.
probably something to do with the world tree, and i think it might be something to do with the fruiot of the tree.

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"Those on the verge of death need on-field treatment" thewn zetsu said that he was moving out and went to where naruto is headed. something fishy is going on there too.

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why is orochimaru talking about speed when sasuke has died. he seemed very adamant on helping him a while ago. i doubt he has gone back on that quite so soon. he is planning something.

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That is the second time sasukes sword has hit the ground like that and i think there might be more to it than it seems. also Hashirama did say that he was giving sasuke some of his chakra, could this be enough to unlock the Izanami? will this play a larger role in the fight to come. also

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what is this technique that counters sage mode? this defo has a larger role to play and naruto will know of it soon enough as Sai is clearly show here and he is well enough to learn how its used.

and finally

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naruto is going to break this curse and will not have to sacrifice anyone to protect everyone in the end.

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shame on you, its not that long at all, just me hitting the return key spacing it out more. pics are for reference

 

[Gyakusetsu]

What? Not even going to bring up the Zetsu arm is missing it's cut then suddenly reappears?

 

[psukkar]

Yes.....I'm at a lost....Necro imo is correct. By what Manga facts put Tobirama above Madara at anytime in the Manga?

In madaras ems days alive, madara did say only haishrama can take him on. But hasihrama was way stronger than him so I doubt madara ems is so much more stringer than tibirama that tobriama would get one shotted like he did now.

Remember guys madara ems,alot of his poweer came from summoning the fox to be fair.

But now madara has hash DNA which got him the rinnegan and there he gets these retared black rods that patalyse the target.

 

[Jako98146]

Madara has wood sage mode activated, and the fact that it's a sage mode implies that his senses, reflections, strength, and speed are increased. Now think back to when Madara was dodging Sasuke's sword without eyes. He only took one hit, relying on his own natural reflexes and sage mode. This time however, Madara had an eye, plus a chakra rod.

Also, I just take the "Heaven's smile upon me" phrase as either he was saying that he got lucky, he was just berating Tobirama, or he may have been referring to believing he has a divine blessing(let's not forget that they live in a world where they pretty much know there's an afterlife)

 

[Draxus]

i agree with you, something is fishy.

also i have noticed a few other things that seem to stick out.

Either you are reading the Manga wrong or just have poor reading comprehension skills to begin with. Let me see if I can help you out.

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"The fight over THERE", "Insides" are good?

He was talking about Spiral Zetsu vs. the Shinobi Allienc

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"furthermore, I'm nurturing a new eye" which cuts to sasukes sharingan.

why would it do that, why would he need to nurture a new eye when he has the rinnegan? something doesnt seem right and this sticks out for me. something tells me that sasuke is going to get a rinnegan soon and naruto is going to get a power boost of a similar scale.
probably something to do with the world tree, and i think it might be something to do with the fruiot of the tree.

You answered your own question. He was clearly talking about Sasuke, remember he stated that he gave Sasuke time to do something. He wanted Sasuke to get more powerful, most likely because he wanted a more exciting fight.

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"Those on the verge of death need on-field treatment" thewn zetsu said that he was moving out and went to where naruto is headed. something fishy is going on there too.

First of all the treatment Madara was talking about is InfiniteTsukyomi, it's right there on the page. Also there is not indication Zetsu is moving out to where Naruto is going.

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why is orochimaru talking about speed when sasuke has died. he seemed very adamant on helping him a while ago. i doubt he has gone back on that quite so soon. he is planning something.

Orochimaru means they need to move fast because Sasuke's in trouble

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That is the second time sasukes sword has hit the ground like that and i think there might be more to it than it seems. also Hashirama did say that he was giving sasuke some of his chakra, could this be enough to unlock the Izanami? will this play a larger role in the fight to come. also

His sword didn't hit the ground twice. It hit the ground once, then Madara picked it up. You do know Manga is read from right to left, right?

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what is this technique that counters sage mode? this defo has a larger role to play and naruto will know of it soon enough as Sai is clearly show here and he is well enough to learn how its used.

How exactly is this fishy? It's called foreshadowing, and it apparently Hashi's chakra is needed so Sai most likely won't be able to do it.

 

[a thousand years of death]

sigh, don't try to make someone out to be an idiot, you are incapable of doing it.

what i'm saying is that after reading it again it seems to me that there might be something else going on, behind the obvious.

it looks like there is some kind of coded messages for zetsu in what madara is telling him. if you read on from where i said zetsu moved to naruto's location you would have found out that i didn't suspect that he did. he actually did.

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look at it again. it could be bad translation or misdirection but i think something is going on here. "something fishy"

 

[Draxus]

sigh, don't try to make someone out to be an idiot, you are incapable of doing it.

what i'm saying is that after reading it again it seems to me that there might be something else going on, behind the obvious.

it looks like there is some kind of coded messages for zetsu in what madara is telling him. if you read on from where i said zetsu moved to naruto's location you would have found out that i didn't suspect that he did. he actually did.

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look at it again. it could be bad translation or misdirection but i think something is going on here. "something fishy"

I was trying to make you out to be an idiot but you seem to be confused about somethings, so I took the time to help you out. Sorry if it made you feel dumb, but you're right I don't have the ability to make you look like an idiot. However, if you the things you pointed out make you believe there is some genjutsu in place, people would probably draw that conclusion on their own.

Again, zetsu is not where Naruto is, I'm not sure what makes you think this. He's next to Spiral Zetsu who is between SA and the Tree, and quite a distance from where the mednin are who are stationed at the back of the army. They are both watching as Gaara flies away from the SA with Naruto. I don't get why you think it's fishy that White Zetsu wants to see the fight against the SA in person. As for why Kishi would show this... It's to emphasize that Naruto is going to die.

 

[Gulvklud]

I see nothing fishy at all, just basic storytelling... Kishi probably has alot to tell, but as we know, not alot of time to do so.

If u ask me, Kishi simply prioritized the dialogue over the actual fight, when it came to Tobirama vs. Madara.

 

[thegame]

I agree. It's almost like how the 5 kages were defeated. It is of course possible we will see it again some later point in time, but I doubt that. It's probably that Kishi wants to save some time and not just show us Madara's true abilities right away. He is saving it for something big, have patience.

Also there is nobody saying, that Madara wasn't hit by Tobirama. He could have healed afterwards..

 

[OMGitsShakra]

Everything points to Madara using a Deva Path technique to take down Tobirama.

Until their is some manga proof though, i think floydical is onto something. I have found it fishy too...i mean i know Madara is supposed to be ultra powerful...but im wondering if Nagato had these eyes all these years and Madara awakened his eyes right before death...when did he learn to use these jutsu? It is shown Nagato using the jutsu because he couldn't control his emotion, but he did learn how to do it eventually because he was spontaneously using it at first. Anyways though, not only that but i have wondered how Madara knew Sasuke was coming....I mean he could have heard the convo between Hashi and Sauce, but he just like turns around and stab...fatal wound to Sasuke with no probls what so ever.....the war seems to have changed actually to where he just took the bijuu like it was taking candy from a baby and killed off Naruto and Sasuke persay within moments....something feels fishy!

 

[Floydical]

Madara has wood sage mode activated, and the fact that it's a sage mode implies that his senses, reflections, strength, and speed are increased. Now think back to when Madara was dodging Sasuke's sword without eyes. He only took one hit, relying on his own natural reflexes and sage mode. This time however, Madara had an eye, plus a chakra rod.

Also, I just take the "Heaven's smile upon me" phrase as either he was saying that he got lucky, he was just berating Tobirama, or he may have been referring to believing he has a divine blessing(let's not forget that they live in a world where they pretty much know there's an afterlife)

I agree that sage mode gives him better senses and increased reaction speed, but there is a limit to everything. One could argue that Minato and Tobirama's speed could perhaps trump sage mode. But even if its possible that Madara was able to react quick enough to counter/ avoid it, why would Kishi so blatantly skip over it? It would have been so simple to show a few panels explaining what happened. This gets back to the core point of the thread, ie the loss of link between these panels coming off suspicious.

I see nothing fishy at all, just basic storytelling... Kishi probably has alot to tell, but as we know, not alot of time to do so.

If u ask me, Kishi simply prioritized the dialogue over the actual fight, when it came to Tobirama vs. Madara.

Prioritizing dialogue over action that occurred during a fight is one thing, but all previous battles that we say get skipped did not follow this same pattern. Battles were either skipped completely and we only found out who was the victor or a battle was resumed at a point that was not significantly different from where it was left off. In this case, the tide of the battle took a complete 180 between the panels we saw. Not only did it take a complete 180, but it did so IN A SINGLE PAGE. Not to mention this is the new MV we are talking about. Was even a single panel ever left a mystery in a MV battle through the course of this manga? I think not. This all gets back to the point that the whole thing is suspicious, and maybe there is someone controlling the situation, someone who's siding with Madara at the moment.

I agree. It's almost like how the 5 kages were defeated. It is of course possible we will see it again some later point in time, but I doubt that. It's probably that Kishi wants to save some time and not just show us Madara's true abilities right away. He is saving it for something big, have patience.

Also there is nobody saying, that Madara wasn't hit by Tobirama. He could have healed afterwards..

Yes the kage battle was skipped on more than one occasion but its not the same as the Madara battle. They were loosing all along and never got the upper hand. Madara was constantly beating them down and the result of the battle was predictable, and so much of it was shown that it was a logical conclusion that they'd be subdued the way they were. But the Madara fight was different, we had no idea which way it would go and it made a complete 180 in a single panel. It is not logical. But I also agree with you that we will likely not see flashbacks about it.

I do love the idea that he is hiding something. If Madara used something there to avoid the attack that is not yet shown, I would welcome the cliff hanger. But again, the thing Madara might be hiding could be some form of Genjutsu manipulation, don't rule that out.

As for the healing, every time up to now that Madara healed from a wound Kishi has shown it healing. Same can be said for Obito, we saw panels of him healing from wounds. The fact that no healing was shown, implies to me that no wound occurred at all.