[Discussion] Another example of European beauty standards effecting people

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The funny thing is... That everyone here saying 'LOVE URSELF PLS LOL' are the same ones that fap over white, Hispanic, and Asian girls in those 'most attractive race of women' threads while putting black women (who this shit affects the most) down
I fap to all, GG. I never understood racial preferences.


OT: I truly hate aesthetic surgeries with a passion. The only time it's acceptable is if you were born with a deformity or had an accident. There are a lot of times where I wish I looked differently but I just accept it. Stop trying to turn yourself into something you're not and show some pride.
 
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I didn't ask whether it was based on beauty rather whether the system affected what people perceive beauty to be in India(perhaps I should have been clearer).
And again, exactly how does that work? What makes you think higher castes decide standards of beauty? Higher caste people have as much chances of being unattractive and not fitting in the standards as the lower ones including having darker skin if that's your parameter.

The person in India who was talking about even his 10 year old daughter using fair and lovely, was a Muslim. It has a good market in Pakistan too. Technically the caste system shouldn't even affect them, isn't it?

How do you explain the same trend in Africa and other countries where the caste system didn't exist at all and the product still has the same selling point?

Did those who came from lower caste not look up to those from higher castes?
That's not how castes system works. People living in lower strata of society try to follow the foot steps of the higher strata in a bid to move up whether there is a caste system or not, but caste system is irrelevant when it comes to beauty.

For the past few centuries those of European decent have remained the most developed people in the world(in terms of living standards and world influence) it isn't surprising that a sizable number of people try to emulate them, even their appearance.

Could the same thing not be said for India and its caste system?
Yes the problem is with your assumption that higher caste have some special look. They don't and it's much complicated than you think. Lower classes may seem darker skinned to an outsider but it's often simply because of them being labour class. Working out in the sun and not having resources and time to take care of themselves. Punjabis may look different than Bengalis or Biharies but that's because of ethnic diversity not a caste issue.

On top of it people mix up varna and caste.

India had an original varna system based on profession or rather division of labour- Brahimn, kshtriya, Vaish, shudra. At first there was no restriction in moving from one to another group either. But as we move from Vedic period (4000-1000 B.C) to the 230 B.C. to 700 A.D), the four varnas came to be arranged hierarchically and in turn got more and more rigid and completely obnoxious in some ways.

The origin of castes has nothing to do with varnas, though in the process of development of castes, they came to be associated with varnas. That is hierarchy of castes and the mobility of a caste came to be stated in varna terms.

It still worked in two ways- new professions and sub groups came up within 4 varnas as the society grew complex and more specialized. As well as the new communities that moved to India and gradually entered the Indian society.

India has many ethnicity and they all found a place in caste system but as a caste the skin colour or beauty was never a decisive factor. What kind of place they could make in the society was. They exist because they were helpful in helping migrants in finding a place in society in Varna terms and yet retain their own personal customs and rituals to an extent and give a strong sense of kinship and security beyond the family.

For example the Jews and Zoroastrians who came in India escaping persecution in their country of origin were able to follow their own beliefs and rituals and customs within their community along with keeping their sense of kinship without interference. Nobody bothered them here. With time they blended in- well Zoroastrians did. Many Jews went back to Israel and complained of racism from their western counterparts- living in India for far too long didn't help their skin colour.
 
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How do asian women benefit from european beauty standards? They always grade higher than blacks in beauty survey's

Studies show blacks resemble apes to white people

 

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What has caste system to do with it? Exactly how much do you even understand it?
It had tons of problems but it's not related with OP.

And no it's not primitive cultures that made this industry- Fair and Lovely is a product of Uniliver which is an Ango-Dutch company. And of course the colonial heritage of centuries is hard to get out of the system.

Funny part is that they did use their Indian subsidiary to get the the product patented back in 71 and sell this product all over the world and many think it's Indian product. India had barely gotten independence in 1947 - I doubt the research for the content of this product was done here. (Similarly Pond's too is a Unilever product though patented in USA.)

It's ads are always criticized for promoting fair as symbol of confidence and beauty while downgrading darker skin since 1971. I suppose the idea would bring more criticism if they used the main company for their patent.


BTW- there is a difference between wanting to look good and wanting to look white/European.

We don't get just tan here- when you are out in the noon in places like Allahabad temperature rises above 45 degree C and the hot winds called Lu would burn you outright. It makes skin dull not just dark. And no, most Indians do not use things like sunscreen lotions or let alone make up. So some basic skin care is necessary. The products like 'Fair and Lovely' take advantage of that too along with promoting the negative idea.
i disagree with you here...............
 

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So are we talking about skin care products here.? XD

In my home country , you can see all whitening products in the market.
But here in Italy their jealous of my skin color especially during summer. XD



About Lil Kim, well that's her choice. You know addiction to plastic surgery do exists.
If she feels satisfied, then so be it.







 

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In here in Sri Lanka ( if you don't know it's a small island that's down south to India ), we have people that descended from Portuguese, Dutch, British and other Europeans who settled in the island that we calls burghers and there's people that mixed with countries natives some of them have nearly the skin colors of Europeans but the dark hair or somewhat brown and some have same dark skin color as us .

even though they looks different kind of beautiful not many girls try to look like them or Europeans ( some are there who try to but that's as same as Caucasians trying to have a tan skin ) and fair skins has been considered beautiful even in times long before people around knew any people with white skins and that fairness is not as same as Europeans it's like a mix of dark skin colors and fair skin colors .

and mostly Indians and Sri Lankans have similarities in beliefs so i think it's same with them though only they can confirm it and beauty cultures of our countries are far ancient than any European country and girls in our countries doesn't have to look like them they're beautiful in their own right .

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