Am I right in thinking EMS Sasuke would beat Itachi 9 times out of 10?

[Respect Uchiha Madara]

1. I said 70% of work was done by Itachi. But point was that even MS user can counter a Rinnegan user techs if he is smart.

2. Itachi was already dying then.

3. My point is that Itachi was much more talented than Sasuke in general powers and strategy.

1. that is not even tru because if itachi didn't have the nine taill and eight tail jinchuriki he would have not even seen sasuke but would have been in nagato's chikabi tensai.

3.sasuke is more talented than itachi now and his strategy is on par with itachi.

 

[Strict]

Do you not understand that the Nagato who began the fight with Hanzo was HEALTHY? Seriously, don't try and pull Nagato down to Itachi's level or compare the two. This thread is also about Itachi and Sasuke. And Itachi is sick. Sasuke will outlast hiim, are you denying this?

You have to chill out my friend, this is only a Manga we are talking about. Yeah Nagato was at some point healthy but whether his Rinnegan techniques were on the same level then is a mere speculation, just as Itachi wasn't sick from the beginning. And if we are talking about a sick Itachi, he is stronger than a crippled and emaciated Nagato indeed.

And whether Sasuke will outlast Itachi is just your idea, which has nothing comprehensible.

 

[Baka Sennin]

Definitely, Sasuke is a horrible match for Itachi. the very worst. the only way Itachi can win is by using the Totsuka sword, and Sasuke knows about that.

He has effective counters for Itachi's genjutsu, amaterasu,tsukuyomi, can hold susanoo for much longer, can spam enton, has more stamina, has stronger katon, and has raiton techniques to boot, plus kirin. and his susanoo has it's own weapons, the arrow is unavoidable when itachi inevitably runs out of stamina.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

I never once mentioned Edo Itachi, thats to OP. And by that statement in bold, there was also never a EMS sasuke while Itachi was sick. so I dont fail at all. I also never mentioned the weapons or either's charka levels. If you want sasuke to win by handicap there is nothing to do about that, but if you make the situation fair for both parties you know youve lost, and refusal to admit you're wrong is one of the worst kind of fanboys.

If you cannot understand hypothetical threads then I just do not know what to say to you. By your logic, in threads, Naruto can't fight Hashirama because he's dead. Don't be silly, Sasuke has EMS and Itachi is sick; they are how they are when they are alive, no boost from Edo. It is an EVEN fight.

 

[raju22]

I don't know, i've seen alot of people say Itachi could beat Sasuke, but really?

1. Tsukuyomi is useless and easily countered by Sasuke's Mangekyou.
2. Sasuke has EMS and can outlast Itachi in a Susanoo duel, quite comfortably actually, because Susanoo takes a huge toll on Itachi.
3. Sasuke is more versatile.
4. Sasuke is much better at Enton than Itachi and can easily get rid of Itachi's amaterasu. Itachi strains whenever he moves a little bit, which is bad because Sasuke can easily spam amaterasu.
5. They are both smart, Itachi will not make Sasuke look like an idiot.

I really do think Sasuke > Itachi. What about you guys?

You have posted some good point's but Sasuke beating Itachi 9 out of 10 is a stretch imo, why...

1-Sasuke can counter his Tsukoyomi but it will take a little time to do so, and while he is busy countering it he is vulnerable to outside attacks, since Itachi can hit him with whatever Jutsu he want's, so it would be wise for Sasuke to avoid Genjutsu all together.

2-Although you are somewhat right about Sasuke outlasting Itachi in a Susanoo duel, you are forgetting that Itachi has a very good chakra control, remember the fight between Sasuke and Itachi, Sasuke had Orochimaru's power's And curse mark lvl2 (which increases his chakra reserves) yet a sick Itachi who was almost on his death bed outlasted him in chakra.

And current Sasuke does not possess curse mark so his chakra reserves are lessened then before, he can use his powers easily and more often due to EMS is true, but he will not be able to outlast Itachi due to his excellent chakra control, and even if he manages to prolong the battle he can not actually hurt Itachi due to his Susanoo having 'Yata no Kagami',

on the other hand Itachi only need to touch him with Totsuka and Sasuke is a goner, i do not know if Totsuka can pierce through Susanoo v3 but if it can then Sasuke will be defenseless.

3- i think they are more or les equal in this department, but Itachi has more experience and more dangerous skills then Sasuke.

4- Sasuke can manipulate Amaterasu is correct but He can not hurt Itachi until he puts down his Susanoo, and I do not think that Itachi is foolish enough to waste Amaterasu on a person who can control it perfectly.

5-If it is a death match Itachi will not think of him as a younger brother, and Sasuke easily loses his cool in a fight but Itachi has shown the ability to keep his cool in the most dire situations.

Take note that Itachi can perform Izanami, which Sasuke has no viable counter for and if he only try to use Izanami he can turn his Susanoo on for the time it takes to prepare it, and there is nothing Sasuke can do to stop it.

So i will give it a 40\60 in Itachi's fevor until Sasuke shows some new power's and proves that he can Keep his cool in a battle when Emotion's are running high.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

You have to chill out my friend, this is only a Manga we are talking about. Yeah Nagato was at some point healthy but whether his Rinnegan techniques were on the same level then is a mere speculation, just as Itachi wasn't sick from the beginning. And if we are talking about a sick Itachi, he is stronger than a crippled and emaciated Nagato indeed.

And whether Sasuke will outlast Itachi is just your idea, which has nothing comprehensible.

I am chilled, don't try it Without getting into detail, Nagato was able to connect to Gedo Mazo and use one of the most HAX moves ever seen in the manga. And you think he was close to mastering the Rinnegan? ok. It's obvious that Sasuke will outlast him. But it might be hard for you to accept because Itachi is your favourite character.

Definitely, Sasuke is a horrible match for Itachi. the very worst. the only way Itachi can win is by using the Totsuka sword, and Sasuke knows about that.

He has effective counters for Itachi's genjutsu, amaterasu,tsukuyomi, can hold susanoo for much longer, can spam enton, has more stamina, has stronger katon, and has raiton techniques to boot, plus kirin. and his susanoo has it's own weapons, the arrow is unavoidable when itachi inevitably runs out of stamina.

+rep I only hope others will be able to look at it objectively like this.

 

[Anorien16]

1. that is not even tru because if itachi didn't have the nine taill and eight tail jinchuriki he would have not even seen sasuke but would have been in nagato's chikabi tensai.

3.sasuke is more talented than itachi now and his strategy is on par with itachi.

1. Point taken. But i m not telling Itachi defeated Nagato alone.

3. So Itachi stopped developing his talents after the age 13? Thats kind of a BS.

 

[FloriGlori]

So i will give it a 40\60 in Itachi's fevor until Sasuke shows some new power's and proves that he can Keep his cool in a battle when Emotion's are running high.

Sasuke's fight against Danzo is your proof. Great strategical performance regardless of boiling hatred.

 

[Memoria]

You have to chill out my friend, this is only a Manga we are talking about. Yeah Nagato was at some point healthy but whether his Rinnegan techniques were on the same level then is a mere speculation, just as Itachi wasn't sick from the beginning. And if we are talking about a sick Itachi, he is stronger than a crippled and emaciated Nagato indeed.

And whether Sasuke will outlast Itachi is just your idea, which has nothing comprehensible.

A crippled and emaciated Nagato fights through his paths, that's the way he fights, he destroyed Konoha and almost captured Naruto, if his intent was to kill then Naruto would be in the afterlife by now.

You honestly think a sick Itachi is stronger than the six paths of Pain? he would get roflstomped my good sir.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

You have posted some good point's but Sasuke beating Itachi 9 out of 10 is a stretch imo, why...

1-Sasuke can counter his Tsukoyomi but it will take a little time to do so, and while he is busy countering it he is vulnerable to outside attacks, since Itachi can hit him with whatever Jutsu he want's, so it would be wise for Sasuke to avoid Genjutsu all together.

2-Although you are somewhat right about Sasuke outlasting Itachi in a Susanoo duel, you are forgetting that Itachi has a very good chakra control, remember the fight between Sasuke and Itachi, Sasuke had Orochimaru's power's And curse mark lvl2 (wich increases his chakra reserves) yet a sick Itachi who was almost on his death bed outlasted him in chakra.

And current Sasuke does not possess curse mark so his chakra reserves are lessened then before, he can use his powers easily and more often due to EMS is true, but he will not be able to outlast Itachi due to his excellent chakra control, and even if he manages to prolong the battle he can not actually hurt Itachi due to his Susanoo having 'Yata no Kagami',

on the other hand Itachi only need to touch him with Totsuka and Sasuke is a goner, i do not know if Totsuka can pierce through Susanoo v3 but if it can then Sasuke will be defenseless.

3- i think they are more or les equal in this department, but Itachi has more experience and more dangerous skills then Sasuke.

4- Sasuke can manipulate Amaterasu is correct but He can not hurt Itachi until he puts down his Susanoo, and I do not think that Itachi is foolish enough to waste Amaterasu on a person who can control it perfectly.

5-If it is a death match Itachi will not think of him as a younger brother, and Sasuke easily loses his cool in a fight but Itachi has shown the ability ti keep his cool in the most dire situations.

Take note that Itachi can perform Izanami, which Sasuke has no viable counter for and if he only try to use Izanami he can turn his Susanoo on for the time it takes to prepare it, and there is nothing Sasuke can do to stop it.

So i will give it a 40\60 in Itachi's fevor until Sasuke shows some new power's and proves that he can Keep his cool in a battle when Emotion's are running high.

Sasuke has improved so much since the Itachi fight, no point in trying to compare those two versions of him. This is a battle of stamina and versatility and Sasuke trumps Itachi in both departments

 

[Respect Uchiha Madara]

You can't just outright claim that Sasukes sharingan abilities are better, we've rarely even seen him fight, but during the Kabuto vs Uchiha bros. Fiasco, Sasuke was basically on the sidelines whilst Itachi called all the plays and made all the moves, and Itachi is still faster than Sasuke, I honestly believe that if Itachi wanted Sasuke dead, even if he had rinnegan, Itachi would get the job done, whether he be sickly, edo, or whatever.

itachi could have beaten sage mode kabuto either of them could have.

i really don't think itachi could beat a rinnegan user because he is literally out macthed in power and strategy wise they are close but it is your opinion so it is up to you.

 

[Anorien16]

You have posted some good point's but Sasuke beating Itachi 9 out of 10 is a stretch imo, why...

1-Sasuke can counter his Tsukoyomi but it will take a little time to do so, and while he is busy countering it he is vulnerable to outside attacks, since Itachi can hit him with whatever Jutsu he want's, so it would be wise for Sasuke to avoid Genjutsu all together.

2-Although you are somewhat right about Sasuke outlasting Itachi in a Susanoo duel, you are forgetting that Itachi has a very good chakra control, remember the fight between Sasuke and Itachi, Sasuke had Orochimaru's power's And curse mark lvl2 (which increases his chakra reserves) yet a sick Itachi who was almost on his death bed outlasted him in chakra.

And current Sasuke does not possess curse mark so his chakra reserves are lessened then before, he can use his powers easily and more often due to EMS is true, but he will not be able to outlast Itachi due to his excellent chakra control, and even if he manages to prolong the battle he can not actually hurt Itachi due to his Susanoo having 'Yata no Kagami',

on the other hand Itachi only need to touch him with Totsuka and Sasuke is a goner, i do not know if Totsuka can pierce through Susanoo v3 but if it can then Sasuke will be defenseless.

3- i think they are more or les equal in this department, but Itachi has more experience and more dangerous skills then Sasuke.

4- Sasuke can manipulate Amaterasu is correct but He can not hurt Itachi until he puts down his Susanoo, and I do not think that Itachi is foolish enough to waste Amaterasu on a person who can control it perfectly.

5-If it is a death match Itachi will not think of him as a younger brother, and Sasuke easily loses his cool in a fight but Itachi has shown the ability ti keep his cool in the most dire situations.

Take note that Itachi can perform Izanami, which Sasuke has no viable counter for and if he only try to use Izanami he can turn his Susanoo on for the time it takes to prepare it, and there is nothing Sasuke can do to stop it.

So i will give it a 40\60 in Itachi's fevor until Sasuke shows some new power's and proves that he can Keep his cool in a battle when Emotion's are running high.

Exactly, 90% chance for Sasuke is bit too much. 60-65% is more real.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Sasuke's fight against Danzo is your proof. Great strategical performance regardless of boiling hatred.

How long ago was that? He did not have EMS and danzo was more of a tricky opponent than Itachi, he had Izanagi.

 

[Strict]

I am chilled, don't try it Without getting into detail, Nagato was able to connect to Gedo Mazo and use one of the most HAX moves ever seen in the manga. And you think he was close to mastering the Rinnegan? ok. It's obvious that Sasuke will outlast him. But it might be hard for you to accept because Itachi is your favourite character.

Nevertheless he was crippled and emaciated from the very beginning of the series, so we can't go by a healthy and mobile Nagato as well, this is not even debatable.

And don't worry, Itachi is not my favorite character but I am seeing the strategical part of this fight while you ain't seeing it. You rely on someones stamina only, what shows your limited view. And I think we don't have to further discuss this, I've already heard your idea.

 

[Respect Uchiha Madara]

1. Point taken. But i m not telling Itachi defeated Nagato alone.

3. So Itachi stopped developing his talents after the age 13? Thats kind of a BS.

sasuke has better eyes than him, sasuke is more talented in power now it is his time to shine.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Nevertheless he was crippled and emaciated from the very beginning of the series, so we can't go by a healthy and mobile Nagato as well, this is not even debatable.

And don't worry, Itachi is not my favorite character but I am seeing the strategical part of this fight while you ain't seeing it. You rely on someones stamina only, what shows your limited view. And I think we don't have to further discuss this, I've already heard your idea.

Ok but never cmopare Itachi and Nagato again :| Although you are wrong about there not being healthy Nagato.

 

[raju22]

Sasuke's fight against Danzo is your proof. Great strategical performance regardless of boiling hatred.

Sasuke was Running high in hatred and that almost cost him his life when Danzo put a curse mark on him,it is true that he has Analytical skill in battle but he is not on Itachi's Lvl.

Sasuke has improved so much since the Itachi fight, no point in trying to compare those two versions of him. This is a battle of stamina and versatility and Sasuke trumps Itachi in both departments

How?

 

[FloriGlori]

How long ago was that? He did not have EMS and danzo was more of a tricky opponent than Itachi, he had Izanagi.

..what's the point of that answer?
My post was in Sasuke's favour and not in any way meant to be ironical.

That guy said Sasuke has to prove being able to keep his cool in an emotional fight, I told him he already did.

 

[Kinimaster]

Itachi hater? I am neutral between the two. But is clear that you favour Itachi and he is your favourite character, I remember seeing you in the overpowered Itachi thread, don't think I forgot. Rul pawned you because, not only do we know that healthy Itachi never existed, he proved that Itachi had below average stamina. Go reread the post and educate yourself. You can think what you want but the arguments for Sasuke have been MUCH stronger in this thread.



I agree

Because of databook 3? Comparing Kimmimaro and Itachi? im not saying he has more stamina than Sasuke, im just saying you are just underestimating his overall chakra reserves, because Itachi is efficient at it, you also have to understand one thing if you are talking about being educated, the only time Itachi depleted his stamina, was because he wanted that way.

Second the fight between them wont be as you mentioned, Itachi wont use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, he will probably go for Taijutsu, Crow/Explodin Bunshins and Full Susano'o(which i believe have a way better sword since is ethereal and could go through Sasuke's Susano'o and better in defense with the shield relic), tell me how exactly Sasuke is going to beat Itachi's Susano'o?.

And third, did you saw the beginning of last chapter? Sasuke's identity crisis? not knowing who he is and what to do? IZANAMI would obliterate him.

Ok after this i wont reply anymore because i made my point and wont change my mind and it seems neither you will, so not going to feed this thread anylonger, anyway believe what you want, i personally beliee Itachi>Sasuke, like most users in most Naruto forums.

 

[Amelius]

If you cannot understand hypothetical threads then I just do not know what to say to you. By your logic, in threads, Naruto can't fight Hashirama because he's dead. Don't be silly, Sasuke has EMS and Itachi is sick; they are how they are when they are alive, no boost from Edo. It is an EVEN fight.

No its not, If Itachi(sick or whatever) is alive then Sasuke can not have EMS,"FACT". And you are putting words in my mouth, and Naruto vs Hasirama is not a good comparison, There was nothing naruto got from hasirama's death. Whereas as Sasuke got EMS from itachi's death. If you make itachi how he was before his death (sick) then sasuke must also be how he was before itachi's death(basic sharingan). I understand hypothetical threads, but you are not understanding that the way you made this thread is not a even fight. You gave Sasuke something that while itachi was alive and sick he would not have had otherwise, how on earth is that EVEN? I understand you want to make a concrete defense for sasuke, but dont you dare say its EVEN then you know damn well its not!