Alien Invaders: The Byakugan Aliens FC

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

I don't think the Spiral Dojutsu is out dated; it could be an MS
Well it is basically outdated in the concept it was origionally a unique Dojutsu (just below the Rinnegan) and the Byakugan/Sharingan coming from it.

We also have the outdated concept of the Uzumaki and Hyuga coming from the Elder and Younger son. As Obito only notes the Descendants were known as Senju/Uchiha... not that the Sons formed them. Meaning an unknown time gap where Hyuga and Uzumaki could have branched off.
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

It's always bothered me how people dismiss the Byakugan and say that it has only two abilities; of which being X-Ray and 360 degrees vision. However there is actual more than just these. SO, just because I feel like it, and to have something to reference to later on, I'mma make a list of the Byakugan's abilities.

  • Extended Vision
  • X-Ray Vision
  • Genjutsu Penetration
  • Heavenly Spin
  • 360 Degrees Vision
  • Penetrating Vision
  • Attack Detection
  • Air [wall] palm
  • Movement Sensing
  • High speed-movement detection
  • Twin Lion Fists
  • Perfect Chakra Control of all 361 coils
  • Gentle Fist
  • 32/64 Palms
  • Controlling Speed via chakra
  • Destroying [things made of] Chakra
Hope I didn't miss anything
 
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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

It's always bothered me how people dismiss the Byakugan and say that it has only two abilities; of which being X-Ray and 360 degrees vision. However there is actual more than just these. SO, just because I feel like it, and to have something to reference to later on, I'mma make a list of the Byakugan's abilities.

  • Extended Vision
  • X-Ray Vision
  • Genjutsu Penetration
  • Heavenly Spin
  • 360 Degrees Vision
  • Penetrating Vision
  • Attack Detection
  • Air [wall] palm
  • Movement Sensing
  • High speed-movement detection
  • Twin Lion Fists
  • Perfect Chakra Control of all 361 coils
  • Gentle Fist
  • 32/64 Palms
  • Controlling Speed via chakra
  • Destroying [things made of] Chakra
Hope I didn't miss anything
well I'd say the issue here is how tech vs dojutsu. While virtually all of these techs REQUIRE or are most efficiently used with a Byakugan. The Eyes itself do not do this.

1. X-Ray

2. 360 Degree

3. Chakra Flow

4. Microscopic vision

5. Telescopic Vision

6. Extreme motion recognition

7. Enhanced Three Dimensional awareness

8. Genjutsu perception (provided no direct eye contact with an ocular genjutsu)

9. Jutsu structural analysis


The rest comes from taking advantage of these 9 components to fight.

Technically, anyone could theoretically be taught the Jyuken style; however, this person would have to be able to literally memorize the chakra node system, and be capable of perfectly adapting that system for every single individual case due to even the slightest body differences (which is virtually impossible). They would also have to learn to use the Tenketsu on their own which would also be next to impossible given the inability to see it would only make trying to learn to fire chakra through it.

Rotation: Technically, one could learn to fire chakra through their tenketsu and spin.

64/32 Palms: Theoretically one could memorize tenketsu locations and strike at them.

Air Palm/Wall Palm: One should be capable of learning to fire the chakra from the hand tenketsu.

Chakra flow: assuming one has memorized tenketsu. Provided they have the instruction on increasing/halting chakra flow it is doable.




The key though... is learning any of this is VIRTUALLY impossible without being explicitly trained by someone with the Byakugan. So I suppose in a way they'd count. But this is why people hate on it. Because they only look for offensive jutsu that can be used by the eye.... in that regard the Byakugan has no offensive Dojutsu. Instead, they have derived a Chakra based taijutsu that is virtually unparalleled because they know how to combat chakra and manipulate its flow.
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

I included the Gentle FIst arts since the Byakugan grants full control over the chakra network; hence why Rotation is actually possible; or Air palm. And the've been classified as Kekkai Genkai.

I think it's kind of similiar to Susano'O.
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

I included the Gentle FIst arts since the Byakugan grants full control over the chakra network; hence why Rotation is actually possible; or Air palm. And the've been classified as Kekkai Genkai.

I think it's kind of similiar to Susano'O.
Right that made sense. I was just using the ever annoying "theoretically" concept. As technically the eyes themselves do not do it.... but without the eyes, any real ability to do these things is next to impossoble/highly unlikely unless you're say Shikamaru smart and Sasuke/Itachi/Minato/Kakashi level skilled in combat. Or Madara/Kakuzu experienced (generations old) to actually learn it with decades of practice.

This was why the Dojutsu was wanted. Once some family captured it. They'd be able to advance understanding of how the Chakra system flows/works, and more readily teach the secret Hyuga techniques which are next to impossible to learn alone.


But yeah, In some cases, Hyuga moves operate just as lethal if not more so than Uchiha ones. However, since a main character or anyone with fair plot/panel time was seen and no fancy attacks come from the actual eyes... people just hate on the power of simplicity.
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Yep; the moves heavily depend on the Byakugan's vision as well as it's gift of perfect chakra control to exicute; and with that much dependence on the eye- and the fact that it's basically impossible to do it without one[as not even Sakura has reached the amount of chakra control the Hyugas have] It's basically a bloodline ability; for me anyways
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Hey KGB, I read all your theory and I enjoyed your thread because of all the effort and the research with finding reference material you put into your thread even despite it was outdated when Kishi has already demonstrated the ancestor such as today chapter which takes away part of your theory, it is still worth reading!
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Hey KGB, I read all your theory and I enjoyed your thread because of all the effort and the research with finding reference material you put into your thread even despite it was outdated when Kishi has already demonstrated the ancestor such as today chapter which takes away part of your theory, it is still worth reading!
Wow speed reader.

The one that is the least useful is the Elder Dojutsu one.

The Yin-Yang one has a fair bit of stuff relating to just some of the Chinese influences on the Hyuga.

The Hinata one well... is about not being all about the D.
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Wow speed reader.

The one that is the least useful is the Elder Dojutsu one.

The Yin-Yang one has a fair bit of stuff relating to just some of the Chinese influences on the Hyuga.

The Hinata one well... is about not being all about the D.
Really?? I didn't read fast did I? I mean it feels like I took my time reading :sweat:

About the ying and yang concept, I can still believe that the Hyuga are the embodiment of pureness which are from light even though its shrouded with Darkness with an example of Neji you provided absolute makes sense while the SO6P and Uchiha's are driven by hatred are embodiment of dark.
 
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