akainu showed it, but of course not with the emphasis on it now and its new look. but lets take that into consideration.. so before the big emphasis on haki akainu took multiple haki enhanced attacks from top tier characters that did absolutely no damage whats so ever, that's a testament to his armament. and then on top of that the only time he was hurt was by whitebeard who likewise would have around the hghest haki level if he was still alive as he was the strongest and that still didn't even finish him, so scaling that I think he will easily be in the top 5 for armament haki
[Discussion] akainu will have the strongest armament haki?
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Wrappering_
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Akainu is not even the strongest character in the series, There's really nothing that makes him dangerous.
If Akainu went toe-to-toe with someone like Enel and neither used Haki, Enel would literally dissipate him.
Big Mom would probably kill him med diff or lower. BTW, WB didn't have the strongest Haki at the time.
If Akainu went toe-to-toe with someone like Enel and neither used Haki, Enel would literally dissipate him.
Big Mom would probably kill him med diff or lower. BTW, WB didn't have the strongest Haki at the time.
no one said he was the strongest. his lava would ground enels lightning, but haki is the reason he and so many people are good, you cant just not consider haki wtf. dumbest thing ive ever heard. and hed punch a hole through big moms fat ass like errybody else
Wrappering_
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Lightning is way hotter and much more volatile than magma. He would get instantly dismantled. Akainu without Haki would get eclipsed by Enel, not factoring the speeedo advantage of Enel. How did he even become an Admiral in the first place? Damn, the navy must be desperate.
Rikudou Tobi
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Besides the obvious bias you have for Sakazuki, he does not have the strongest haki and neither does Whitebeard. Whitebeard was a yonkou that was known to have crazy physical strength like Big mam did with the stronest paramythia devil fruit in the world. We've seen some one like old whitebeard and what his haki did against Kuzan.
So Whitebeards haki is strong but in no way is it the strongest especially during the marineford because haki ties in with your physical condition and will. Old whitebeards condition and will was nothing compared to the days he's figt with Rogers that's for sure. So on that note, Akainu's arms haki isn't even top 5.
Top 5 would be...
1. Shanks
2.Rayleigh
3. Garp
4. Blackbeard (jaya arc and what he did to a yonkou shanks)
5. Possibly Kaidou if not some other yonkou such as big mam or marineford whitebeard.
runner up Mihawk.
Sakazuki is known for his destructive power devil, magma.
So Whitebeards haki is strong but in no way is it the strongest especially during the marineford because haki ties in with your physical condition and will. Old whitebeards condition and will was nothing compared to the days he's figt with Rogers that's for sure. So on that note, Akainu's arms haki isn't even top 5.
Top 5 would be...
1. Shanks
2.Rayleigh
3. Garp
4. Blackbeard (jaya arc and what he did to a yonkou shanks)
5. Possibly Kaidou if not some other yonkou such as big mam or marineford whitebeard.
runner up Mihawk.
Sakazuki is known for his destructive power devil, magma.
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AlphaLimaMike
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either you're underestimating big mom a little to much dude or you're just overestimating akainu
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HashiraMadara
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Before haki was a concept Ace couldn't hurt Smoker and neither Smoker could Hurt Ace so both of you stop this senseless argument as it would be a stalemate battle when Haki ins't a factor. Exceptions here are Magma(Akainu) - Fire(Ace), Ice(Kuzan) - Snow(Monet) etc those are same category logia with the former > latter respectively.
HashiraMadara
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> topic is about Buso
> he places someone who tied with Mihawk in battles using bosu at number 1 because his hao was hyped!
> calls Mihawk a runner up
very nice fanfic
What is Rayleigh doing at Number 2 when his Buso is clearly not above Kizaru's?
Garp at 3 is clearly a fanboysim as well because you have 0 evidence. Big Mom is clearly up there as Nothing can over come her Bosu to even leave a single scratch! Her hao leaves even the strongest Warriors cramping their ears.
Blackbeard in this list is nothing but a "let me not leave the final villian".
Where is Cracker who has the highest Bosu Luffy ever felt(same Guy who trained with Rayleigh)?
Mihawk sword bears no scratches as he counts that as a shame to a swordsman, he protects it from that by Haki. Same haki that clashed with number 1 person on your list.
What is the strongest armament haki ?
That is not something you can measure.
Ever since the timeskip till the end of the series we will see the pattern that the new bad guy will have slightly stronger haki than the last guy but the Strawhats will overcome it with slightly better haki than in the last arc.
Unless there will be some kind of douroki method of measuring the strength of haki this will remain a hollow concept.
Everyone's haki will be just as black and will hit logia's just as effectively. It just is the difference between. You can't cut me scrub and argh your haki is stronger you have defeated me in the end.
That is not something you can measure.
Ever since the timeskip till the end of the series we will see the pattern that the new bad guy will have slightly stronger haki than the last guy but the Strawhats will overcome it with slightly better haki than in the last arc.
Unless there will be some kind of douroki method of measuring the strength of haki this will remain a hollow concept.
Everyone's haki will be just as black and will hit logia's just as effectively. It just is the difference between. You can't cut me scrub and argh your haki is stronger you have defeated me in the end.
Rikudou Tobi
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Well no duh
>Shanks was taught under Rayleigh and under the pirate kings ship
> Shanks never tied Mihawk in buso haki so stop talking
>The only Haki that was hyped was his supreme Haki which I made no mention of
>Calls mihawk runner because garp and Rayleigh clearly have stronger buso haki. Especially when garp having no devils fruit rivaled the pirate king and practice flattening 8 mountains with just his Haki punch.
So be that dumbass will you?
No you're just don't know anything about onepiece
You're the only one here that thinks that because any logical person would know that the first mate of the pirate kings ship has a stronger Haki than Kizaru. Especially when Rayleigh's Haki was the only one that gave damage to Kizaru while Kizaru couldn't even touch Rayleigh.
Destroying 8 mountains with a Haki punch alone is better feats than big mam who stalemated G4 luffy in a buso Haki clash? Are you retarded? And I'm not even a garp fan.
How about you use your eyes and look at Shanks' face. The same face that mihawk and all the other well known pirates that couldn't put a permanent damage on a yonkous face like that. It's called Haki.
Which means absolutely nothing with all that Haki you're speculating mihawk to have, and yet he wasn't even able to permanently damage shanks' face like Blackbeard did.
You're speculating that Shanks being mihawk's rival equal strong Haki is stupid considering that it's just their swordsmenship that was shown or heard to be their rival not there Haki.
And mihawk lacks Haki feats to begin with, doesn't even Haki a victim to begin with when it comes to Haki. So you just made yourself look like an idiot.
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with the emphasis on haki now, akainu has shown the highest haki resistance feats in the manga, tanking two direct haki enhanced gura punches, and not even receiving a scratch from vistas haki enhanced slash which chopped akainu in half basically, meaning his haki now would be top tier, added with lava, id think hed punch a few holes through big mom. of course itd be a very difficult fight and hell big mom could win, but I see akainu punching some holes through her fat ass
HashiraMadara
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heck you are beyond helpingWell no duh
>Shanks was taught under Rayleigh and under the pirate kings ship
> Shanks never tied Mihawk in buso haki so stop talking
>The only Haki that was hyped was his supreme Haki which I made no mention of
>Calls mihawk runner because garp and Rayleigh clearly have stronger buso haki. Especially when garp having no devils fruit rivaled the pirate king and practice flattening 8 mountains with just his Haki punch.
So be that dumbass will you?
No you're just don't know anything about onepiece
You're the only one here that thinks that because any logical person would know that the first mate of the pirate kings ship has a stronger Haki than Kizaru. Especially when Rayleigh's Haki was the only one that gave damage to Kizaru while Kizaru couldn't even touch Rayleigh.
Destroying 8 mountains with a Haki punch alone is better feats than big mam who stalemated G4 luffy in a buso Haki clash? Are you retarded? And I'm not even a garp fan.
How about you use your eyes and look at Shanks' face. The same face that mihawk and all the other well known pirates that couldn't put a permanent damage on a yonkous face like that. It's called Haki.
Which means absolutely nothing with all that Haki you're speculating mihawk to have, and yet he wasn't even able to permanently damage shanks' face like Blackbeard did.
You're speculating that Shanks being mihawk's rival equal strong Haki is stupid considering that it's just their swordsmenship that was shown or heard to be their rival not there Haki.
And mihawk lacks Haki feats to begin with, doesn't even Haki a victim to begin with when it comes to Haki. So you just made yourself look like an idiot.
Uzumaki Macho
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So you think that Blackbeard has the strongest Paramecia, strongest Logia, and top 5 strongest Haki? If so, then why isn't he the PK yet? BB will likely have relatively weak Haki to balance out the fact that he was two of the most OP DFs in the series.
Rikudou Tobi
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I didn't say anything about Blackbeard's devil fruits power in this thread but I know BB said he has the strongest logia fruit and that Sengoku said that the tremor fruit is the strongest paramythia, still his arms haki so far is top 5. Look at what he did to Shanks' arguably the best haki user in the whole series next to Rayleigh (not counting Rogers).
He was able to permanently damage a Yonkous face with his haki. Something that Mihawk and Kaidou were unable to do.
He already achieved yonkou states from a nobody faster than anybody else which is closer to Onepiece besides the other 3 yonkous.
But being pirate takes more than stronger devil fruit and strong buso haki, the show focuses on supreme king haki users being able to be king so we don't know if BB has a stronger kings haki.
You just can't have weak haki and do that to Shanks' face, it's just not possible.
It's obvious you don't know anything about Onepiece so you're just talking nonsense. For actual Op readers on this base they know what I'm talking about.
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Punk Hazard
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Friendly reminder in that in the fight Variah is talking about, Rayleigh was losing a sword dual to someone who isn't a swordsman.
You don't actually know that BM stalemated Luffy. Big Mom stood still and blocked Luffy's punch. That only tells that you Big Mom is capable of blocking the force Luffy is capable of projecting while standing still. It doesn't tell what would happen if Luffy was the one blocking a charging Big Mom by standing still, or what would happen if they both were charging.
Yet another thing, Shanks mentions that he has numerous scars and wounds from battle, so Teach isn't the only who's marked him. It's likely that Teach is the only one to attempt to mark Shanks face because he's underhanded and something like that(attacking the enemy's eyes) is seen as dishonorable. Oda even touches on this when a fan asks why pirates never go for an area like the balls, to which Oda replies "Do you really expect to see guys like Mihawk going for such underhanded things?"
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Edit: I misremembered the exact phrasing, but it still is worthy to note that Oda brings up Mihawk in the same breath as Whitebeard and Shanks as legendary men
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There's also the convenient fact that after Roger's execution, we don't see Shanks' face. In the manga, when he and Buggy part ways, when he's crying at Roger's execution, and when he recruits Yasopp, the part of Shanks' face with the scar is never shown.
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You're asinine if you think those two swordsmen dueled without using Haki. Did you miss where Mihawk pointed out to Zoro that it's important to use Haki on your blades when fighting other swordsmen because even a chip is great shame?
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Uzumaki Macho
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So what? We have no idea how strong Shanks was when he got that scar from BB. He could have been fodder level for all we know.I didn't say anything about Blackbeard's devil fruits power in this thread but I know BB said he has the strongest logia fruit and that Sengoku said that the tremor fruit is the strongest paramythia, still his arms haki so far is top 5. Look at what he did to Shanks' arguably the best haki user in the whole series next to Rayleigh (not counting Rogers).
He was able to permanently damage a Yonkous face with his haki. Something that Mihawk and Kaidou were unable to do.
He already achieved yonkou states from a nobody faster than anybody else which is closer to Onepiece besides the other 3 yonkous.
But being pirate takes more than stronger devil fruit and strong buso haki, the show focuses on supreme king haki users being able to be king so we don't know if BB has a stronger kings haki.
You just can't have weak haki and do that to Shanks' face, it's just not possible.
Rikudou Tobi
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He was obviously a Yonkou dude. For once do not follow that giant retarded clown Riker and say Shanks got a scar from BB before the execution. The stupid "obscured" little crap he likes to come up with is just a desperate crap he's trying to make up just to prove a theory of his that doesn't make any logic sense whatsoever. He's trying to pass off a lock of Shanks' hair as a scar mark. That's stupid and not proof.
As for you and me, you know well that both of us see no scar whatsoever. But to know that Shanks got it as a yonkou is by what he told Old man whitebeard.
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He said he didn't get these scars when he went on an adventure or from his duels from Hawkeyes. The reason why this is important is because Whitebeard doesn't know how he got those scars. Meaning he didn't have it when they last fought Wb crew. Also meaning that stupid speculation about him getting the scar before setting sail is just a moron's theory, and this story checks out after Rogers last battle in the Edd War.
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So if it wasn't during his adventures or during the fights with Mihawk, that would mean it was the only time he sat back and held his title as yonkou. And it's when he was yonkou that he would literally have fights mihawk, supernovas (almost Ace) and eventually even Blackbeard.
So be reasonable here and don't follow that idiot that called a small hair follicle a scar on Shanks' cheeks. Shanks was no fodder and he wouldn't be telling Wb to save Ace from BB if Shanks got damaged by BB when (more like IF) he was a "fodder." That's honestly dumb to think that...
Like df did Shanks ever be considered a fodder, seriously?
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