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You've just proved my point. Deva was tricked by the most basic technique, which then lead to his death. My point was, Basic techniques aren't Irrelevant if used wisely, this proved it.
We don't know where the actual Explosion reached. Most of what we saw was a 'splash' from water being blown away by the explosive force. The diagram you posted really doesn't back up your claim as Explosive force dissipates with distance from the center. Fire off a Nuke and at the Deadzone you'll die instantly from heat equivalent to that of the sun, but A building 10 miles away won't feel any heat, yet the shockwave alone could blow it down. In your diagram, this could potentially be depicted by the fading colour, but there are no labels to even depict anything. In any case, what i'm getting at is that, sure, Kakashi was possibly close enough for some of the shockwave to affect his clothes, but itachi was close enough to get injured; Hence why he saw fit to defend himself. If all the explosion could do was tartar clothes, why would itachi go through the trouble of using it? Why would he defend himself from it? Why would he even make the jutsu when an explosive tag would seemingly be stronger, by this logic?
- White zetsu, had his arm sliced by a hand.[
- Obito's arm fell off after receiving a rasengan to his back[
- white zetsu had his bits blown apart just off the force of neji's 8 trigram body blow[
- Even the very scan you posted shows obito's arm being blown off by punching the wall... What happened next? Spiral zetsu, covered him. So, Sure, you could try to infer zetsu is very durable. Expect it was explicitly stated that obito used
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This point is Moot. My initial premise was that Itachi engages Zetsu in CQC then uses Magatamas. No where do I think I claimed using long ranged magatamas; So this tactic is all you.
When Itachi fired the magatama at Kabuto, He could do nothing but
So It's now manga fact Zetsu knows about magatamas...? Magatamas Itachi only used after death? What, does he know of shishui's eye and Izanami, also? not even Kabuto knew itachi possessed any of that and Kabuto's the man who figured out madara's secrets and had orochimaru's research at his disposal. I've already pointed out that Zetsu had no clue itachi possessed Yata, totsuka, or was even Sick. Claiming he knew of anything else, that we've literally no evidence he's seen in action, is purely baseless.
As For your claim that Itachi's Yasaka magatam's weren't shown to be destructive, This is just reaching right now... The size of The explosions alone, in relation to kabuto, tell you that the attacks do some damage. Going by this, Madara's magatamas are even weaker since they couldn't make a splash
I won't spend much time on this because I've already made my point.
But, Just because Zetsu used a jutsu that allowed him to open up his entire face doesn't mean he doesn't have vision. That statement's Synonymous with Saying konan has no organs, vision, or hearing just because she has a jutsu that can turn her face and body into paper. white zetsu clones have a similar Jutsu that allows him to open their torso[
Black-white zetsu have the ability to split down the middle (as per your sig) yet they can somehow think? white zetsu's immune to genjutsu, too? since they apparently don't have brains being able to do that, and genjutsu works by
Anyway, Moving on from all of this. The point still stands that itachi can just Genjutsu whatever host is inside Spiral. After all, It's canon that a comatose person
Last point on this matter: I'm repeating myself here, but white zetsu clone clones are too weak for battle. 1 Shadow clone by itachi, which will be 50% his chakra and as strong as him, will wipe through zetsu's clones with ease while Itachi works on zetsu. You also disregarded my point about the crow summons. Using the visual blocker[
Kisame's not stupid enough to fall for itachi's words...? He even says "Why should someone like you run?" meaning he wasn't convinced itachi couldn't take jiraiya, yet he drank up the BS Itachi fed him and carried on without anymore protest[
Exactly, Itachi Got 5 Uses of Susano'o in that fight - 2x ama, 1x Tsuku, 2x Susano'o. Is zetsu going to Survive through that many uses? Hell no... Unlike with Sasuke, Itachi has no need for mercy. 1 use of Ama turns part of his body to ash. Another use finishes the job. 1 use of tsuk is the end. 1 use of Susano'o is the end as we know what happens when you fight a susano'o user [
There is no proof a Zetsu clone can even use Mokuton let alone An attack of that scale... Even black zetsu could only do
Itachi reacted to bee, who's leagueeessssss faster than any zetsu out of mayfly and
Black zetsu has no clones. White zetsu does. Even with the abilities of both, Spiral still has the standard strength of white zetsu's only, since black zetsu has nothing to add to the mix, which is too weak for combat.
We don't know where the actual Explosion reached. Most of what we saw was a 'splash' from water being blown away by the explosive force. The diagram you posted really doesn't back up your claim as Explosive force dissipates with distance from the center. Fire off a Nuke and at the Deadzone you'll die instantly from heat equivalent to that of the sun, but A building 10 miles away won't feel any heat, yet the shockwave alone could blow it down. In your diagram, this could potentially be depicted by the fading colour, but there are no labels to even depict anything. In any case, what i'm getting at is that, sure, Kakashi was possibly close enough for some of the shockwave to affect his clothes, but itachi was close enough to get injured; Hence why he saw fit to defend himself. If all the explosion could do was tartar clothes, why would itachi go through the trouble of using it? Why would he defend himself from it? Why would he even make the jutsu when an explosive tag would seemingly be stronger, by this logic?
- White zetsu, had his arm sliced by a hand.[
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]- Obito's arm fell off after receiving a rasengan to his back[
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]- white zetsu had his bits blown apart just off the force of neji's 8 trigram body blow[
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]- Even the very scan you posted shows obito's arm being blown off by punching the wall... What happened next? Spiral zetsu, covered him. So, Sure, you could try to infer zetsu is very durable. Expect it was explicitly stated that obito used
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. Ergo, off the power of the mazo, Spiral zetsu got a bump in offence and defense; Just like jins who funnel the chakra of their beast into them.If you look
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, you can see that The rasengan only hit obito while his arm was overlapping in the kamui dimension. Seeing as that only happens for the few seconds naruto's passing through it, it is no where as deadly as sustaining damage from an Explosion. What happened to obito is Equivalent to slowly passing your hand over a flame; You'll potentially get slightly burnt, but that's all. What will happen to zetsu is Equivalent to holding a flame on the same spot on your hand for however long that explosion goes on.This point is Moot. My initial premise was that Itachi engages Zetsu in CQC then uses Magatamas. No where do I think I claimed using long ranged magatamas; So this tactic is all you.
When Itachi fired the magatama at Kabuto, He could do nothing but
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. Now, why would a man, who's agile enough to
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sit there while 3 magatamas are hurtling towards him? Because, dodging a thin arrow, is easier than dodging 3 high speed magatamas. Even if those magatamas are slower than Arrows, they're still fast enough to leave kabuto sitting where he is without dashing for cover. Is zetsu as fast or agile as DSM Kabuto? No.So It's now manga fact Zetsu knows about magatamas...? Magatamas Itachi only used after death? What, does he know of shishui's eye and Izanami, also? not even Kabuto knew itachi possessed any of that and Kabuto's the man who figured out madara's secrets and had orochimaru's research at his disposal. I've already pointed out that Zetsu had no clue itachi possessed Yata, totsuka, or was even Sick. Claiming he knew of anything else, that we've literally no evidence he's seen in action, is purely baseless.
As For your claim that Itachi's Yasaka magatam's weren't shown to be destructive, This is just reaching right now... The size of The explosions alone, in relation to kabuto, tell you that the attacks do some damage. Going by this, Madara's magatamas are even weaker since they couldn't make a splash
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on Gaara's sand... Yet they chewed through it and almost went through Oonoki's massive golem ontop of that.I won't spend much time on this because I've already made my point.
But, Just because Zetsu used a jutsu that allowed him to open up his entire face doesn't mean he doesn't have vision. That statement's Synonymous with Saying konan has no organs, vision, or hearing just because she has a jutsu that can turn her face and body into paper. white zetsu clones have a similar Jutsu that allows him to open their torso[
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], giving more weight to the fact that spiral is still just a clone of white zetsu at the end of the day. Black-white zetsu have the ability to split down the middle (as per your sig) yet they can somehow think? white zetsu's immune to genjutsu, too? since they apparently don't have brains being able to do that, and genjutsu works by
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... yet his clones are susceptible to genjutsu? Did they grow a brain? Even if I can't point out Spiral Zetsu's eye, It doesn't mean he doesn't have vision. Same way I can't point out white zetsu's brain doesn't mean he doesn't have one.Anyway, Moving on from all of this. The point still stands that itachi can just Genjutsu whatever host is inside Spiral. After all, It's canon that a comatose person
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. The person being conscious or not matter nought since the point of the genjutsu, at this point, isn't to show their conscious mind an illusion. Just like with Kabuto, once the genjutsu user gets into the targets head, he then
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. That means, Itachi genjutsus The vessel, The instructs him to slice his throat, using mokuton spikes on himself, etc.Last point on this matter: I'm repeating myself here, but white zetsu clone clones are too weak for battle. 1 Shadow clone by itachi, which will be 50% his chakra and as strong as him, will wipe through zetsu's clones with ease while Itachi works on zetsu. You also disregarded my point about the crow summons. Using the visual blocker[
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], Zetsu is now distracted and confued, giving Itachi and his clone time to blitz through the crows[
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] and clean up house with ease - during this visual blocker-blitz combo, a faster DSM user was left barely responsive, so zetsu's <= sensory abilities aren't going to change the outcome. Itachi has a 5 point in speed and outsped hebi sasuke; Zetsu stands no chance in the speed department.Kisame's not stupid enough to fall for itachi's words...? He even says "Why should someone like you run?" meaning he wasn't convinced itachi couldn't take jiraiya, yet he drank up the BS Itachi fed him and carried on without anymore protest[
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]. Just because Kisame was Itachi's partner, doesn't mean he knew anything about how itachi's abilities really worked. For all we know, itachi probably told him that using ama and tsuk gives him cancer; How can Kisame prove otherwise? Every other MS user is dead, and the last living one, before itachi, couldn't use a single ability that itachi has. As for sasuke, If you could it up(I've forgotten the exact figure now), He used a total of 3-4 amaterasu(bee x1, Danzo x1, kage x1/2), and about 8 susano'o(kage x3, danzo x3/4, kakashi x1) before going fully blind. In fact, sasuke never made it to V4 susano'o before blindness; Yet Itachi got to V4 and even equipped it with yata and mirror. So, that's roughly 10-15 uses sasuke got out of his MS. Itachi had his MS for over 8 years without going blind, which means he had to use it sparingly, since each use meant 1 step closer to blindness.Exactly, Itachi Got 5 Uses of Susano'o in that fight - 2x ama, 1x Tsuku, 2x Susano'o. Is zetsu going to Survive through that many uses? Hell no... Unlike with Sasuke, Itachi has no need for mercy. 1 use of Ama turns part of his body to ash. Another use finishes the job. 1 use of tsuk is the end. 1 use of Susano'o is the end as we know what happens when you fight a susano'o user [
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]. If zetsu ever engages a Susano'o user in CQC it's over. His greatest CQC attack,
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, can't even break a ribcage.There is no proof a Zetsu clone can even use Mokuton let alone An attack of that scale... Even black zetsu could only do
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and, like i've stated before, clone clones are too weak for combat. This strategy is impossible to work by manga logic.Itachi reacted to bee, who's leagueeessssss faster than any zetsu out of mayfly and
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. In that scan, itachi's speed isn't what I'm refering to because that's unimportant. The important factor is being able to react to a high speed target that he couldn't see coming or attacking. The person here who will be attacking from blindspots is itachi; with his mastery of
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.Black zetsu has no clones. White zetsu does. Even with the abilities of both, Spiral still has the standard strength of white zetsu's only, since black zetsu has nothing to add to the mix, which is too weak for combat.
Summary
with genjutsu
- Itachi finds an opportunity and uses tsukuyomi on zetsu. Ending the fight.
- Itachi uses Finger genjutsu, Crow genjutsu or sharingan genjutsu to immobilize zetsu at which point he's able to kill zetsu by forcing him to kill himself, or using katon, kunai, shuriken, or an explosive clone.
with zetsu's theoretical immunity to genjutsu
- Itachi engages zetsu in CQC and kills him with Susano'o, magatamas, or an exploding clone.
- Itachi Unleashes the full wrath of Susano'o and brings down Shinshuu quickly, then follows up by destroying spiral.
- Itachi lights zetsu on fire with amaterasu.
- Itachi uses crow visual blockers and goes to work on zetsu with the help of a shadow clone
[video=youtube;ZyhrYis509A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZyhrYis509A[/video]
> Sidenote: I'm a bit disappointed you didn't use zetsu spores. I ended up rushing this anyway. Got some st00f to do.
