AGoodBoy[Itachi] Vs Dimitri Rascalov[Spiral Zetsu]

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Itachi Vs Spiral Zetsu

Spiral Zetsu has black-white zetsu abilities and can use everything he shown.
Itachi is in Sick/Dying state (sasuke battle).

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Intel: Manga

Distance: [ ]

Intent: Kill

Restriction: None



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Does Spiral Zetsu have that man (who is probably Yamato) inside of him?
If so this is a good matchup and I would like to judge.
 

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Does Spiral Zetsu have that man (who is probably Yamato) inside of him?
If so this is a good matchup and I would like to judge.

not sure tbh. im waiting for dimitri to clear up some other stuff.
 

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This should be a rather interesting match up. Spiral Zetsu is insanely underrated, so how Dimitiriv exploits him should make or break the match up. Itachi also is a hard character to exploit in regards to his intelligence, so hopefully this debate comes gets quite exciting. Anyways, I wouldn't mind judging if you are ever short on judges.
 
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Yes, SZ has that man inside of him.

Who do you want to go 1st? I will go 1st I guess​
 
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I'll be playing Battlefield or something. So go first ill check back in an hour or so.

Alright. I will try to get it done as soon as I possibly can. Good luck bro.​


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P1 [Intel]

It should be mention that in this match up, spiral Zetsu has knowledge on all of Itachi's prowess abilities. This is confirmed by the fact black Zetsu recorded all of the Akatsuki [ ]. Given the fact he possess white and black Zetsu's abilities as conditioned in this match-up, he will know exactly everything Itachi throws at him and counter it proficiently. Knowledge plays vital part on spiral Zetsu's victory over Itachi.




P2 [Genjutsu]

Its been shown countless number of times that Itachi's Sharingan Genjutsu requires eye contact, excluding finger Genjutsu which isn't a factor in this game. This is evident by people not looking in Sharingan to not to be caught by Genjutsu. Spiral Zetsu has shown no presence of eye existence as entity of its own. By this very fact, it cancels every chance of Itachi using Genjutsu on spiral Zetsu, since he requires eye contact and spiral Zetsu has no eyes.

You may going to use Itachi's feat of casting Genjutsu on the sensing ball, but that was only shown to be effective on that. In this case, it wont unfortunately, because spiral Zetsu like all other sensors have the ability to sense their flow of chakra.

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Spiral Zetsu has black Zetsu's feats of sensory [ ], who already was capable of sensing on impressively KM away from his location. With all that being said, Genjutsu is pointless in this fight.




P3 [Amatersu]

This is of the 2 technique Itachi can trouble spiral Zetsu with, but none of the less, he can counter it.

  • Amatersu is chakra large amount of chakra concentrated in the eye. Because of this, a sensor can feel the pressure from it, just as Nagato demonstrated [ ]. As the scan I posted above, spiral Zetsu should be capable of sensing the build up pressure in Itachi's eye and counter it with using mayfly. Not to mention spiral Zetsu has full Intel on Itachi's abilities, so he can see the veins focused and will know that Amatersu will be used.
  • In case spiral Zetsu is hit, he can cut down the part of position he has been hit with as Ay demonstrated [ ]. Spiral Zetsu has a special body structure allowing him to replicate the same manner [ ]. He shown he can open his body, so cutting the part that been hit and regenerated is obvious counter to Amatersu
  • Clones are another way to counter Amatersu. Given by the condition, he has white Zetsu's ability to summon clones to aid him [ ]. But he has another purpose to use clones, and that is by rendering the use of Amatersu used on the wrong person. The original will be completely fine.




P4 [Susanoo]

It should be noted that when Itachi uses Susanoo at his living state, he becomes exhausted quickly and potentially leading him to death. Spiral Zetsu, being a spy and agent can make use of Itachi's low stamina. This is where the Shinsuusenju is summoned to the battlefield:

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Even if you insist on Yata defending against all of Shinsuusenju punches because of its hype, well that don't matter because spiral Zetsu will be using tactic instead of raw strength to deal it. How that comes?

Using the power of 5 natures [ ] to distract Itachi into protecting himself using Yata, while simultaneously spiral Zetsu creates clones. These clones job is to use the mayfly to go underground to attack an exhausted and distracted Itachi via this . With that scale of an attack, Itachi will die and thus, spiral Zetsu gains the victory.

 
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Well good luck to you too. I'll counter this within 60-90 minutes. Might be slightly longer depending on how scan-horny I decide to be.
 

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Itachi neg diff that fodder . finger genjutsu GG , Totsuka seal the wood statue GG , Totsuka blitz GG . Dimitro lose .
 

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P1 [Intel]


It should be mention that in this match up, spiral Zetsu has knowledge on all of Itachi's prowess abilities. This is confirmed by the fact black Zetsu recorded all of the Akatsuki [ ]. Given the fact he possess white and black Zetsu's abilities as conditioned in this match-up, he will know exactly everything Itachi throws at him and counter it proficiently. Knowledge plays vital part on spiral Zetsu's victory over Itachi.




P2 [Genjutsu]


Its been shown countless number of times that Itachi's Sharingan Genjutsu requires eye contact, excluding finger Genjutsu which isn't a factor in this game. This is evident by people not looking in Sharingan to not to be caught by Genjutsu. Spiral Zetsu has shown no presence of eye existence as entity of its own. By this very fact, it cancels every chance of Itachi using Genjutsu on spiral Zetsu, since he requires eye contact and spiral Zetsu has no eyes.

You may going to use Itachi's feat of casting Genjutsu on the sensing ball, but that was only shown to be effective on that. In this case, it wont unfortunately, because spiral Zetsu like all other sensors have the ability to sense their flow of chakra.

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Spiral Zetsu has black Zetsu's feats of sensory [ ], who already was capable of sensing on impressively KM away from his location. With all that being said, Genjutsu is pointless in this fight.




P3 [Amatersu]


This is of the 2 technique Itachi can trouble spiral Zetsu with, but none of the less, he can counter it.

  • Amatersu is chakra large amount of chakra concentrated in the eye. Because of this, a sensor can feel the pressure from it, just as Nagato demonstrated [ ]. As the scan I posted above, spiral Zetsu should be capable of sensing the build up pressure in Itachi's eye and counter it with using mayfly. Not to mention spiral Zetsu has full Intel on Itachi's abilities, so he can see the veins focused and will know that Amatersu will be used.
  • In case spiral Zetsu is hit, he can cut down the part of position he has been hit with as Ay demonstrated [ ]. Spiral Zetsu has a special body structure allowing him to replicate the same manner [ ]. He shown he can open his body, so cutting the part that been hit and regenerated is obvious counter to Amatersu
  • Clones are another way to counter Amatersu. Given by the condition, he has white Zetsu's ability to summon clones to aid him [ ]. But he has another purpose to use clones, and that is by rendering the use of Amatersu used on the wrong person. The original will be completely fine.




P4 [Susanoo]


It should be noted that when Itachi uses Susanoo at his living state, he becomes exhausted quickly and potentially leading him to death. Spiral Zetsu, being a spy and agent can make use of Itachi's low stamina. This is where the Shinsuusenju is summoned to the battlefield:

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Even if you insist on Yata defending against all of Shinsuusenju punches because of its hype, well that don't matter because spiral Zetsu will be using tactic instead of raw strength to deal it. How that comes?

Using the power of 5 natures [ ] to distract Itachi into protecting himself using Yata, while simultaneously spiral Zetsu creates clones. These clones job is to use the mayfly to go underground to attack an exhausted and distracted Itachi via this . With that scale of an attack, Itachi will die and thus, spiral Zetsu gains the victory.
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Counter Arguments
First of All, I'd like to make it noted that, no, zetsu does not have knowledge on itachi's entire arsenal[ ]. That already means that zetsu likely has no knowledge on aspects of Itachi's arsenal such as , , , or even . Infact, Itachi is so secretive, that white zetsu nor black zetsu had any idea he were even sick[ ][ ].

This debunks your claims that Zetsu Knows itachi's entire arsenal. When, in fact, he potentially doesn't know quite a deadly aspect of it. Itachi, however, likely has no idea what zetsu's capable of. Though, That won't be a problem, since Itachi's who understands one very important concept... Itachi doesn't need to know what zetsu can do. But, like many other intelligent ninja's have shown, he will See the tech -> Analyze it -> Understand it -> Counter it. Intelligence is a very deadly tool.



I don't know where you got this from to be honest... Zetsu's have been . While spiral zetsu spoke with white zetsu, to obito, he kept saying 'we', and also said ' '. White zetsu himself says . Spiral zetsu has vision; Genjutsu will screw him over. Even if you attempt to argue against this, the mere fact that you're using Shinshuu means that Spiral zetsu has the host inside. The host has eyes. The host will be zetsu's downfall at the very least.

Now, you've also stated that zetsu's a sensor so he can see through the genjutsu, etc. 'Being a sensor' doesn't make you immune to genjutsu by default. Visual sensors -- sharingan and byakugan users -- need to notice the presence of genjutsu. Physical Sensors need to do the same. Being a sensor helps you detect genjutsu, but it doesn't occur instantly, or automatically. Evidence:

- Sasuke was in itachi's genjutsu pretty much the moment he stepped into the uchiha hideout[ ], yet, even with his sharingan, he only noticed it further down the line[ ].
- Hinata, possessing a byakugan, had to actively check for the presence of genjutus(can't remem where this scan is among that jiraiya v pain mess)
- Karin, arguably the greatest sensor in this manga, had to actively check for the presence of genjutsu[ ]

And there are more instances. In order for Zetsu to break the genjutsu, he must first spot it. That is the worst part about itachi's genjutsu; it's near impossible to spot within the first few seconds. A few seconds is more than enough time for itachi to kill you. To add salt to the wound, BZ, the sensor of the bunch, has been before.



Zetsu's have no regenerative capabilities as far as I'm away. If zetsu were lit on fire, he'd burn to ash. If he shed the burnt portion, , he'd simply be missing that piece of his body. Notice that when madara , it .
Zetsu is made from Hashirama's DNA; However, base hashirama has no regenerative properties[ ][ ]. Yet, madara said hashirama regenerative healing. How is that, then? Because hashirama . It's no coincidence madara, who was rocking hashi cells all along, suddenly begun to heal once he stole sm.

In short, If itachi lights zetsu's foot, and zetsu sheds it off, that foot is gone. Amaterasu disintegrates it, and zetsu's now a cripple.




Living Itachi has no problem holding up a susano'o for a prolonged period. In fact, it's entirely likely that he can hold up his susano'o for near as long as sasuke held his up against danzo. Let's look at it.

-> . Even sasuke, 1 point higher in stamina -stamina is converted into chakra, so sasuke essentially has more chakra.
-> Ontop of this, Itachi's . This already means itachi's riding at his lower than lowest point in life...
-> Itachi then goes on to after popping a ribcage to survive kirin.

So, Quick recap. Itachi's Out of chakra. Itachi's Blind.
Let's continue...

-> Itachi then goes on to hold up V2/v3(highest level/most chakra intensive) Susano'o through... , orochimaru , explosive kunai spam[ ][ ], his , and even .

Let's go back over that last one. Watch closely. Itachi touches sasuke, susano'o's still active, he then collapses. Susano'o then disperses. That means, at time of death, itachi was not out of chakra; but, instead, as tobi even stated, itachi poured is remaining stock into sasuke, basically committing suicide. For reference, Sasuke , yet itachi maintained a V2 susano'o? One level below max of his most chakra intensive and body taxing technique. All this done by a blind guy who was definitely riding less than 30% chakra reserves. Now, what happens if itachi were to start off with V3 susano'o, or even use it before going blind/exhausted? By the simple process of extrapolation, he'd maintain it a very long time.

As for the point about shinshuu; Yata isn't even necessary for that. A V1 ribcage tanked lightning, and a Km cloak tanked juubi sized katons; those attacks won't break V1 ribcage. Itachi simply slices every single hand off with totsuka. End of. After all, Ay was slicing the hands off while his .

Zetsu 'clone clones'(not ones made from the mazo, but from zetsu himself) aren't They're just distractions.




With all that said and done, itachi employs any one of a number of strategies;
-> Itachi sends a clone to fight zetsu, zetsu tries to take over it's body, or defend against it, and it explodes. Spiral zetsu is blown to bits and killed.
-> Itachi uses Crow visual blockers, .
-> Itachi uses amaterasu and chips SZ away bit by bit.
-> Itachi stabs with totsuka.
-> Itachi uses basic genjutsu then Releases phoenix flower/grand fireball
-> Itachi uses finger genjutsu then zetsu with a kunai.
-> Itachi blitzes zetsu. When zetsu blocks, a surprise clone pops out and .
-> Itachi waits for zetsu to spring from mayfly and attack, and lunges a kunai through his chest. An attack so fast that a SM user was blitzed twice.[ ][ ]
-> Itachi assaults zetsu in CQC, then launches a into his chest.

There are more I can think of, but i'll leave you that list to counter first before I overwhelm you with variety.
 

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I will reply tomorrow, and just for the contrary note, judges must not slack off.​
 

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My money is on Goodboy. I thought his comments were more convincing. MadaraRules did great as well.
 

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My money is on Goodboy. I thought his comments were more convincing. MadaraRules did great as well.
Eh. I noticed a lot of odd interpretations of scans. Wish I was debating.
 

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Nothing against either debaters, but its a good thing that Dkdankong isn't the one using Zetsu. He'd be tearing some bootys apart.​
 

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Nothing against either debaters, but its a good thing that Dkdankong isn't the one using Zetsu. He'd be tearing some bootys apart.​

^^^^

I think Itachi would win this, and so far Agoodboy put up the better argument.

Good luck to both.
 

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Nothing against either debaters, but its a good thing that Dkdankong isn't the one using Zetsu. He'd be tearing some bootys apart.​

dk tried to bait me once into debating him Lol Maybe I might take him up on that offer some time U_U
 
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