[Question] Ace still stronger than Luffy?

[24 12 11 to troll]

From what we've seen so far

• Luffy >= Jinbe
• 18 years old Ace >= Jinbe
• 20 years old Ace > 18 years old Ace
• 20 years old Ace > Luffy

Dude... Luffy curbstomps Jinbe the second he uses a Gear third attack...

Luffy >> Jinbe
Ace > Jinbe

 

[ultraChalk]

Exactly, so he had time to recover from his beating, evident by having no wounds. Croco was 100% at Marineford, Ace was not. It's clear that Ace was treated much worse in Impel Down because he took the baptizing, meaning if all that shit on him was dirt and just blood, it would have been washed off, but he had marks and bruises all over him till his death.

Maybe we're just having miscommunications here, but I'm not understanding how scars are evidence of strength. He just got into a lot of fights. And Croc did too.

Croc had a lot of scars and wounds and took his baptism as well... it's just that he was in there longer so of course, he had more time to heal from his wounds. If Ace had been there longer I'm sure he would have recovered.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Maybe we're just having miscommunications here, but I'm not understanding how scars are evidence of strength. He just got into a lot of fights. And Croc did too.

Croc had a lot of scars and wounds and took his baptism as well... it's just that he was in there longer so of course, he had more time to heal from his wounds. If Ace had been there longer I'm sure he would have recovered.

Yeah, what I'm saying is, Ace was still covered in blood and wounds from his fight with Blackbeard. That shows he wasn't able to recover from the fight, so he wasn't 100% at Marineford.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Yeah, what I'm saying is, Ace was still covered in blood and wounds from his fight with Blackbeard. That shows he wasn't able to recover from the fight, so he wasn't 100% at Marineford.

So what?
Jimbei was also put in jail soon as Ace was captured because he refused to take part in the war,yet he recovered and fought

Crocodile was in jail since alabasta but still he was doing ok in the war

Ace is probably on vergo's level

 

[Punk Hazard]

So what?
Jimbei was also put in jail soon as Ace was captured because he refused to take part in the war,yet he recovered and fought

Crocodile was in jail since alabasta but still he was doing ok in the war

Ace is probably on vergo's level

Who said Jinbei was also 100%? Jinbei went into Impel Down under better conditions than Ace, and Crocodile had a looong time to recover from his his wounds. Ace wasn't 100% at Marineford, end of story.

 

[-Akuma-]

Oh no
Luffy>Zoro>Law>Vergo>Ace/Sanji/Smoker

Ace has shown no speed feats
Ace had to struggle with Squard,Jimbei and he lost to Teach who at the time was still learning to use his devil fruit

Luffy can solo Ace with Elephant Gataling

Zoro can defeat Ace with one haki infused slash or haki infused Ashura

Out of the former Whitebeard Crew it was...
Whitebeard>Marco>Ace/Jozu/Vista

Ace has no speed feats...He has better speed feats than Zoro, a heavily hurt and injured Ace outsped a blood lusted Akainu, that's better than any feat Zoro has.


Ace never had a serious fight with Squard, he was a rookie when he faced Jimbei plus Jimbei beats Zoro. And Teach before he ate the DF was commander level on top of him gaining the strongest DF in the show. Plus Yami Taech beats Zoro now aswell.

Ace beats both Luffy and Zoro with Entei.


Ace>Luffy>=Law>Vergo>Zoro>=Sanji>Smokey.


Lol Jozu>Zoro and Vista>Zoro aswell.​

 

[ultraChalk]

Ace>Luffy>=Law>Vergo>Zoro>=Sanji>Smokey.


Lol Jozu>Zoro and Vista>Zoro aswell.​

I hope you mean PTS Smoker.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ace has no speed feats...He has better speed feats than Zoro, a heavily hurt and injured Ace outsped a blood lusted Akainu, that's better than any feat Zoro has.


Ace never had a serious fight with Squard, he was a rookie when he faced Jimbei plus Jimbei beats Zoro. And Teach before he ate the DF was commander level on top of him gaining the strongest DF in the show. Plus Yami Taech beats Zoro now aswell.

Ace beats both Luffy and Zoro with Entei.


Ace>Luffy>=Law>Vergo>Zoro>=Sanji>Smokey.


Lol Jozu>Zoro and Vista>Zoro aswell.​

I highly doubt Luffy is stronger than Law.

 

[Red Swag]

ace is a commander probably cuz hes wb's favorite dude and rogers son. and wanna make him pk. hes alright but he aint all that. no way in hell hes close to marco and jozu.

luffy is stronger than him now.

 

[Punk Hazard]

ace is a commander probably cuz hes wb's favorite dude and rogers son. and wanna make him pk. hes alright but he aint all that. no way in hell hes close to marco and jozu.

luffy is stronger than him now.

It actually appeared to be the division, not Whitebeard, that chose Ace to be the commander.

Whitebeard also said that Ace wasn't more loved than anyone else on Whitebeard's side they were "all his sons", and Ace being Roger's son was irrelevant to him, as "Everyone is a child of the sea" and that's why he didn't respond to Ace being Roger's son with ill feelings.

 

[ToshiZO]

Dude... Luffy curbstomps Jinbe the second he uses a Gear third attack...

Luffy >> Jinbe
Ace > Jinbe

dude....no Luffy is not >> Jimbe. They are about the same level and arguments can be made both ways. If you wanna know Jimbe's legitimacy refer to his Marineford feats where he wasnt even full strength. He intercepted a serious Magma fist from Akainu, that feat alone makes it impossible for Luffy to be above Jimbei by that margin.

 

[Red Swag]

It actually appeared to be the division, not Whitebeard, that chose Ace to be the commander.

Whitebeard also said that Ace wasn't more loved than anyone else on Whitebeard's side they were "all his sons", and Ace being Roger's son was irrelevant to him, as "Everyone is a child of the sea" and that's why he didn't respond to Ace being Roger's son with ill feelings.

yes it was relevant to wb. why he wanna make ace the nxt pk of all people? hes the newest edition, why not marco? huh?

 

[Punk Hazard]

yes it was relevant to wb. why he wanna make ace the nxt pk of all people? hes the newest edition, why not marco? huh?

Ace wanted to make WB the next Pirate King, not the other way IIRC.

 

[Bogard]

Ace wanted to make WB the next Pirate King, not the other way IIRC.

Actually WB secretly wanted Ace to become pirate king without himself knowing

 

[Punk Hazard]

Actually WB secretly wanted Ace to become pirate king without himself knowing

I checked, and at the very least, Sengoku concluded so.

 

[The 1 who knows]

ace is the itachi of one piece....i bet moria might revive him and we will continue to see his awsomeness. But i think luffy is not there yet..but he is almost near his strength

 

[Punk Hazard]

ace is the itachi of one piece....i bet moria might revive him and we will continue to see his awsomeness. But i think luffy is not there yet..but he is almost near his strength

Don't say that again...

And if Moriah does revive him, the shadow will either boost or hinder him, so that strength won't be Ace's strength.

 

[Kαmi]

I think is stronger but only by a slim margin. I think by the end of this arc though, he may surpass Ace.

 

[-Akuma-]

I highly doubt Luffy is stronger than Law.

I always say Law is stronger, but I don't want no Luffy fanboys attacking while I debate this Zoroatrd.​