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We can't say anything abt his speed and there is always an option of using observation haki to tackle with speed problem
[Question] Ace pretty weak?
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TimeSkip Luffy beats Ace without any forms of gear. He one shotted a Pacifista while Ace was rolling on the ground in pain from one punch from Marshall.
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It's not a baseless claim high tiers are high tiers because they have those stats all around. Plus aren't you the same guy who said Ace had less durability than pre TS Chopper, I already don't take what you say about Ace seriously.
Yes Tre saying Luffy can't blitz a upper high tier is underrating him
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I never said that. Still want proof that Ace can dodge G2.It's not a baseless claim high tiers are high tiers because they have those stats all around. Plus aren't you the same guy who said Ace had less durability than pre TS Chopper, I already don't take what you say about Ace seriously.
Yes Tre saying Luffy can't blitz a upper high tier is underrating him
Aokiji was already in the middle of his attack. Ace turned around and generated as much fire
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. is going to take out a Pacifista your drunk as hell. A Pacifista took a beaten from the monster trio and had minor damage yet you think that same punch could've put down a Pacifista? SMHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Well I read your whole thread very well and came to the conclusion that it was something oda came after tym skip only. Haki thing was never planned from the very start of OP.
And about black fist was something which was planned after the war only. He made it black just to accromprehend it more with armanent haki just to look different from other kinds otherwise it would be too confusing between normal punch and AH. Haki concept was never completed before tym skip. And in first chp, oda never meant to make CoA at that tym. I can make the whole theory on it if you want.
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Even luffy was kissing his ass from just getting his head knocked on the ground by him. So just shut up :stfu: and don't put teach in this because he can make any df user to give him blowjob easily.
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A punch from a high tier who was strong enough to be a WB commander lol, just because Teach's punch didn't crack the Island in half doesn't mean it's weak. Somebody doesn't know what attack potency is.
He's a upper high tier who could react to Kuzan attack speed. Ace is not a high tier with med tier stats.
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haha you seriously need to go reread the entire series if you dont even get simple power scaling such as this. It took a beating from a pre skip Monster trio. One kick from post Skip Sanji broke its neck....Teach is easily above Sanji.
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Well he has point. Even doffy dodged all attacks from him and he was never shown fast any where and any top tier can dodge or counter g2 at right moment. Ace know all the three hakis, he used conqueror haki when he was child, so obviously he had mastered all of them when he became the commander. And do you really think ace don't have armanent haki. He know that teach has logia fruit and he started pursuing him without knowing any haki is just stupid. Either oda really messed with his character or portrayed him stupid
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Ace fought Jinbe for 5 days straight. Jinbe was fast enough to stop Pre-TS Luffy in G2. I think that says enough.
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Wtf? Doffy didn't dodge all of Luffy's attacks. How does Ace awakening CoC prove that he could use all Haki types? Even if Ace did have CoA or CoO, they couldn't be used in an argument since we don't know how good he was with them.