[Question] Ace pretty weak?

[Relostar Devil]

Sabo>ace>luffy

 

[Yubel]

Blame the haki issue on Oda not having Haki properly planned out. No way you are one of the top commanders of a Yonkou crew and not know haki. People like Tashigi and fodders from the coliseum have Haki.....

This would mean if Ace were in Punk Hazard instead of Luffy he would get destroyed by the likes of Caesar Clown. Which is pathetic for someone with that high a rank in WB's crew.

Everybody and their mothers have haki.

Ace is intended to have Haki, Crocodile as well. You don't survive in the new world without atleast CoA, let alone thrive in it.

Btw Luffy >= Ace IMO.

Caesar Clown would actually beat him because without oxygen he can't use fire so his DF is nullified.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Current Luffy is way stronger than Ace.

There is no indication that Ace can use haki. But by hype as a WB commander he should be able to use basic haki.

I'm sure the OP meant Armament Haki specifically but there is proof Ace used Conqueror's Haki.

 

[Naruto Boss]

Ace isn't weak.....and why does everyone think Oda of all people didn't plan out haki of all things? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard about OP.....

The reason why people say he didn't plan it is because there is no way in hell shanks should have had Hus arm bitten off by a lousy sea monster among other things.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Sabo>ace>luffy

How is Ace>Luffy?

 

[Relostar Devil]

How is Ace>Luffy?

Ace fruit can burn each gear of luffy and was hell stronger in strength than luffy and lets just not talk about Ace haki bcoz author had not developed that powerup at that tym.

 

[nacrose]

ace has a very strong devil fruit but luffy has a very creative devil fruit
in terms of physical strength i think both are the same
but in terms of haki luffy definitely has stronger haki not to mention he has conquerers haki too.....
so i think luffy is definitely stronger than ace

 

[Love Cook]

Oda had haki planned since chapter one where Shanks scared away the sea monster.

But the reader is experiencing everything through the eyes of the strawhats. And 'we' learned about haki when Rayleigh told us about it. Even though it was already being used before that, it was just that we couldn't 'understand' it yet.

If Oda would redo the war of the best now, we would see a lot of people with black fists and weapons, because now we know how it works.

Just like we do when we reread Skypea and see mantra or Boa's snake sisters use CoA.

Oda not planning something... Those words should be punishable with an eternal ban in this section.

 

[Black Mamba]

I'm sure the OP meant Armament Haki specifically but there is proof Ace used Conqueror's Haki.

Idunno OP asked if he can use haki in general wasn't specific. And yeah but he used conquerors haki unconsciously as a kid, we don't know if he ever mastered it and can use it at will.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Ace fruit can burn each gear of luffy and was hell stronger in strength than luffy and lets just not talk about Ace haki bcoz author had not developed that powerup at that tym.

Did you just say that Ace's physical strength is better than Luffy's? Gear 4 Luffy has much better feats than Ace.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Did you just say that Ace's physical strength is better than Luffy's? Gear 4 Luffy has much better feats than Ace.

Even base Luffy has better feats in strength.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Oda had haki planned since chapter one where Shanks scared away the sea monster.

But the reader is experiencing everything through the eyes of the strawhats. And 'we' learned about haki when Rayleigh told us about it. Even though it was already being used before that, it was just that we couldn't 'understand' it yet.

If Oda would redo the war of the best now, we would see a lot of people with black fists and weapons, because now we know how it works.

Just like we do when we reread Skypea and see mantra or Boa's snake sisters use CoA.

Oda not planning something... Those words should be punishable with an eternal ban in this section.

Then why we didn't saw any black fist in war if everything was planned from chp1.

You know why?....

Bcoz that was something he came up after tym skip.

Lol.........

 

[Relostar Devil]

Did you just say that Ace's physical strength is better than Luffy's? Gear 4 Luffy has much better feats than Ace.

Ya sorry it is, but he still can be burned from his fire. Which makes him stronger.

 

[Main I]

Thought you were trolling there for a moment, haha. ^^^

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Ya sorry it is, but he still can be burned from his fire. Which makes him stronger.

Yea Luffy is just going to stand there and let Ace's attacks hit him.

 

[ToshiZO]

Oda had haki planned since chapter one where Shanks scared away the sea monster.

But the reader is experiencing everything through the eyes of the strawhats. And 'we' learned about haki when Rayleigh told us about it. Even though it was already being used before that, it was just that we couldn't 'understand' it yet.

If Oda would redo the war of the best now, we would see a lot of people with black fists and weapons, because now we know how it works.

Just like we do when we reread Skypea and see mantra or Boa's snake sisters use CoA.

Oda not planning something... Those words should be punishable with an eternal ban in this section.

Essentially this is what I am trying to say, but I believe he just didn't have the details fully thought out. I already said he had the concept down.

And this is what I meant by Croc and Ace intended to have haki. Just because they weren't shown with it pre skip means nothing.

I honestly believe armament hardening is a late edition, there is literally no excuse to not see it in the war among so many top tiers, none at all. I can give a pass for the other arcs cause of the SH excuse but no...not the war.

Caesar Clown would actually beat him because without oxygen he can't use fire so his DF is nullified.

If you are of a higher calibre in all stats, having a DF mismatch shouldn't result in a loss. Ace shouldn't even need his DF to beat Caesar his base attacks should be good enough for Caesar. They are not even close to the same tier. Look what Van Auger said about Ace

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^this is for all of you saying Ace is too dependent on his fruit.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Yea Luffy is just going to stand there and let Ace's attacks hit him.

Yea Like even vice Versa will happen.......

 

[-Akuma-]

Essentially this is what I am trying to say, but I believe he just didn't have the details fully thought out. I already said he had the concept down.

And this is what I meant by Croc and Ace intended to have haki. Just because they weren't shown with it pre skip means nothing.

I honestly believe armament hardening is a late edition, there is literally no excuse to not see it in the war among so many top tiers, none at all. I can give a pass for the other arcs cause of the SH excuse but no...not the war.




If you are of a higher calibre in all stats, having a DF mismatch shouldn't result in a loss. Ace shouldn't even need his DF to beat Caesar his base attacks should be good enough for Caesar. They are not even close to the same tier. Look what Van Auger said about Ace

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^this is for all of you saying Ace is too dependent on his fruit.

THANK YOU. EVERYONE SAYS ACE IS TOO DEPENDENT ON HIS DF. Oda even has Vangur states he's a good fighter without it.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Yea Like even vice Versa will happen.......

Luffy is much faster than Ace though. Ace doesn't have the speed feats to dodge G2 or G4 attacks.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Luffy is much faster than Ace though. Ace doesn't have the speed feats to dodge G2 or G4 attacks.

We can't say anything abt his speed and there is always an option of using observation haki to tackle with speed problem