[Discussion] Ace>luffy

I m an Ass

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*without being a fanboy ace is stronger why, ace awakend haki at the age of 10*
*Ace made blackbeard shit his pants and sweat ...the same guy who gave shanks* *a scar before he even got his devil fruit which means he was a lot* *stronger .*Ace was half dead in marine ford arc look at this manga panel*

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*and not to mention the seastones handcuffs that drained his strenght, but he could*
*still go toe to toe with a ****ing admiral*

*i know that bounty doesn't mean strenght but he had a bounty of 550 Million even luffy after the time-skip cannot match that.We never saw how ace lost to blackbeard it could've been unfaire how he lost oda, probably keeps it for later if luffy has another dialoge with blackbeard so that blackbeard can anger him or some thing.*

*And from a story perspective*
*Luffy said to ace that "one day i will surpass you ace" Oda hasn't even shown*
*us a hint that he's stronger than Ace like when luffy fought with jimbei, jimbei*
*could've esaly said you're stonger than your brother now or luffy could've said*
"*Ace the day has finaly come ,i have surpassed you"*
*Kind of funny that Ace had to die so that luffy can become pirate king*
*It's almost like if Ace was alive luffy could never become pirate king*
*but you can say that it's not true and lie to yourself*

and to all people who want to be in denial about ace haki then the same must be
said to whitbeard now and all 3 admirals before the time-skip


you say luffy is faster than Ace in gear second i say no ! why ?

first see a full charged gear second luffy charging at blackbeard

3:05
see how easly jimbei stoped him,you can say that is luffy pre time skip!

but even time-skip, jimbei is not impresed with luffy strenght/speed
he even said "is that all you've learned ?"



now Ace is stronger than jimbei why because after he fought with jimbei for 5 days he still could go against wihitebeard
but he got his ass kicked and that was a 17 year old ace.
 
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This all sounds like fanboying to me.
I honestly think Luffy can one shot Ace. Ace's durability is shit without his fruit.
it does sound like fanboying, but Ace has shown multiple instances of durability
-taking hits from Blackbeard, which his commanders commented on his physical ability
-The torture baptism thing when you first enter impel down
- fought jimbei for 5 days to a stalemate
- a hole blown through his chest and didn't die instantly.

honestly, I can't see luffy beating ace, atleast not yet.
 

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This all sounds like fanboying to me.
I honestly think Luffy can one shot Ace. Ace's durability is shit without his fruit.

I would like you to take a good look at page before posting that point again.



Luffy is faster than Ace, has more endurance, and his destructive capacity is equal to Ace's.

@Bold: NO.
 

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I want to believe Ace is stronger but Luffy's progress makes him look stronger than what Ace has shown us. Luffy seems to have a huge speed advantage on Ace, Luffy is definitely more durable (Though Ace is underrated here) and seems prone to Haki attacks when using large scale attacks while Luffy CoO and speed makes him easy pickings.

I wonder if we'll get a flashback of Ace whenever we see the Wano Kingdom. Ace said he was there and maybe there are high tier samurais there. We could see a flashback and maybe gauge Ace's strength better then but as of now, he seems to be about the strength Jinbei was in Marineford.
 
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where is it where is it stated ,give me logical proof or gtfo.
1. Ace has no speed feats. It's obvious that Luffy is faster.
2. Ace's neck was almost broken from being hit by BB. Pre-TS Luffy took a similar hit and he wasn't as damaged by it as Ace was.
3. Ace's Dai Enkai: Entei covered 1/4 of Banaro Island, which is a pretty small island. Luffy's Elephant Gatling destroyed 1/2 of Noah. They are pretty much equal in this category.

Luffy beats Ace high diff based on feats.
 

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I think ace takes this honestly. Just with df alone aces trumps luffies. Fire > rubber. But that's not gonna be that way forever. Eventually luffy will be stronger. I just personally think not yet
 
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