[Discussion] Ace had armament haki.

[loj]

Ace used Armament Haki for the first time after he was offered to join Shichibukai according to Ace novel. It is supervised by Oda himself.

SOURCE: Ace's novel.



Well this is a game changer and kinda BS.

 

[Guntah]

Well this is a game changer and kinda BS.

Not...really. I think.

Ace was a Yonkou Commander. Ignoring the fact that Haki wasn't developed properly then and judging it from a in-world standpoint, I could totally see him wielding Armament Haki, especially since he was shown to know about King's Haki during Marineford.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

bro second in command no way he got up thier with no form of knowledge of haki. he used conqueror Haki when he was a kid so bro this isnt bs more like a informative context to further scale luffy to his brothers his brothers.

 

[loj]

Not...really. I think.

Ace was a Yonkou Commander. Ignoring the fact that Haki wasn't developed properly then and judging it from a in-world standpoint, I could totally see him wielding Armament Haki, especially since he was shown to know about King's Haki during Marineford.

Would he have died if he used it against Akainu?

Would he have let himself captured against Blackbeard?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Where did it say he used arms haki in the novel, like the link or anything?

 

[loj]

Where did it say he used arms haki in the novel, like the link or anything?

Novel kinda new will post if it gets leaked...it's in Japanese though

 

[Hexuze]

Where did it say he used arms haki in the novel, like the link or anything?

Sandman posted this info and said it came from the Ace novel.....Oda supervised it. There's no denying it now.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Not...really. I think.

Ace was a Yonkou Commander. Ignoring the fact that Haki wasn't developed properly then and judging it from a in-world standpoint, I could totally see him wielding Armament Haki, especially since he was shown to know about King's Haki during Marineford.

Yeah, this is bullshit. Oda may not have developed the idea of Haki to the Koka appearances we've seen after the timeskip, but this "Haki wasn't developed shit" is just that.

This is the same guy who has lots of foreshadowing throughout his manga(fans overblow it, but there is an impressive amount there). This is the same guy who drew Kuma for the first time and told his editor "This man will separate the Strawhat Pirates someday," and then did so about 6 years later. This is the same man who dropped clues about Sanji's heritage. This is the same guy who foreshadowed Marineford by having Ace tell Luffy they'll meet again at the summit, and they did indeed meet again at the Summit War. This is the same guy who had Rayleigh introduced in chapter 19 knowing that he'd be the first mate of the Pirate King and an important figure in the story.

Haki was displayed in chapter 1 when Shanks scared the Sea King. Haoshoku Haki was shown knocking out fodder during the Water 7 Arc when Shanks met Whitebeard, and was shown damaging WB's ship, both things it's continued to do to this day. The original Japanese text had Teach commenting on Luffy's Haki all the way back in Jaya. Kenbonshoku Haki was in prime display during Skypeia. Armament Haki was developed well enough that Oda introduced an entire nation of people who were famous for their usage of Armament Haki. Prior to the timeskip, 15 people displayed Armament Haki. This idea that Oda had underdeveloped Haki in his mind is a bunch of bullshit.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

bro second in command no way he got up thier with no form of knowledge of haki. he used conqueror Haki when he was a kid so bro this isnt bs more like a informative context to further scale luffy to his brothers his brothers.

Second in command?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Would he have died if he used it against Akainu?

Would he have let himself captured against Blackbeard?

You have a point with the Akainu part because even Jinbei took two of Akainu's punches yet he's suppose to be on Ace's level so to speak.

As for Blackbeard that loss was very valid for the sole reason that it was off panel, so there is room to create a perfect story and that Blackbeard is way stronger than most people know even during the Jaya arc.

Blackbeard already displayed the level of observation haki greater than Enel did by sensing Luffy's supreme king. And lastly his off panel feats of Arms haki is also impressive enough to damage a yonkou such as Red hair Shanks. Imagine being able to put a permanent mark on somebody Mihawk was unable to do. He even said he wasn't acting careless, so you know BB's arms haki is crazy strong.

During the marineford pre guru guru fruit Blackbeard took a guru guru blast directly to the face by Whitebeard, the same whotebeard that was one-shotting Vice admirals with one guru guru punch.

So to put things into perspective, Blackbeard is really strong. Like pre marineford appearance yonkou commander strong.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You have a point with the Akainu part because even Jinbei took two of Akainu's punches yet he's suppose to be on Ace's level so to speak.

As for Blackbeard that loss was very valid for the sole reason that it was off panel, so there is room to create a perfect story and that Blackbeard is way stronger than most people know even during the Jaya arc.

Blackbeard already displayed the level of observation haki greater than Enel did by sensing Luffy's supreme king. And lastly his off panel feats of Arms haki is also impressive enough to damage a yonkou such as Red hair Shanks. Imagine being able to put a permanent mark on somebody Mihawk was unable to do. He even said he wasn't acting careless, so you know BB's arms haki is crazy strong.

During the marineford pre guru guru fruit Blackbeard took a guru guru blast directly to the face by Whitebeard, the same whotebeard that was one-shotting Vice admirals with one guru guru punch.

So to put things into perspective, Blackbeard is really strong. Like pre marineford appearance yonkou commander strong.

There's no proof that Blackbeard wounded Shanks when he was a Yonko. When Shanks recruited Yasopp, and during Roger's execution, the side of his face with his scars were obscured, so it's possible Shanks got them while he was under Roger and the Roger Pirates were fighting the Whitebeard Pirates, which included Teach at the time, often.

Given that Shanks was a boy then and Teach would have been a newcomer at that time, it makes sense those two would have squared off due to being of similar range of each other, in all likelihood.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

Second in command?

he was behide marco right? marcro is the right hand and 1st commander

 

[Punk Hazard]

he was behide marco right? marcro is the right hand and 1st commander

Commander number didn't correspond to authority. It's also generally accepted that Ace was weaker than Marco, Jozu, and Vista.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Commander number didn't correspond to authority. It's also generally accepted that Ace was weaker than Marco, Jozu, and Vista.

^^This. Also, the 2nd Division Commander position was vacant for a while before Ace joined, so if the WB pirate who is the 2nd strongest/2nd highest in authority is supposed to the 2nd Division Commander, then Jozu would have attained that position the moment it became vacant.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

^^This. Also, the 2nd Division Commander position was vacant for a while before Ace joined, so if the WB pirate who is the 2nd strongest/2nd highest in authority is supposed to the 2nd Division Commander, then Jozu would have attained that position the moment it became vacant.

ic well then i shall substitute myself out of this thread with a fail

 

[Wrappering_]

Ace didn't care to use Haki because he never had any competition until he came across BB and later Akainu. Also, if Ace used Haki with these two, the plot would've stopped right there.

 

[OG sama]

Of course he had haki, he wouldn't have lasted in the NW without it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Of course he had haki, he wouldn't have lasted in the NW without it.

Doubtful. Ace had an extremely powerful Devil Fruit ability, so it's not like gaining Busoshoku Haki was a bonafide necessity for him in terms of being able to carry out a lot of offensive power the way people like Luffy, Doflamingo, or Cracker do. The Whitebeard Pirates also demonstrated very good teamwork during the war, with knowing to avoid Whitebeard's Quakes without communication, being able to swap in and out of battles without missing a beat(Jozu intercepting Aokiji for Whitebeard), and being able to coordinate attacks(Marco and Vista able to attack Akainu together despite being in a moment of severe distress).

There's also Blackbeard's comments about Ace not having been hit in a while, something he'd be aware of since he fought alongside Ace for a number of years, which indicates that Haki wasn't something Ace had to deal with for some time. Buggy also refused to attack Ace because he knew that Whitebeard would come after him, so that's implication that Ace could have simply avoided many a fight due to Whitebeard's name, allowing him to navigate the NW more safely than the average Logia. Ace also demonstrated to have outstanding physical abilities by keeping up with Jinbei for five days, someone wielding something strong to his DF, and Van Ogre's comments that Ace was a fierce fighter despite losing his DF powers.

It's very likely that when Ace encountered a situation that needed Haki, he could have just had another WB member proficient with the skill, like Marco or Jozu, sub in, or overcame it with other abilities, including his powerful DF. Ace being a Logia that survived well in the NW doesn't guarantee he was a Buso user. Hopefully, the novel clears it up once and for all with a precise answer.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Ace didn't care to use Haki because he never had any competition until he came across BB and later Akainu. Also, if Ace used Haki with these two, the plot would've stopped right there.

If you're actually trying to be a troll, then I recommend that you stop making your troll posts so over the top. No one believes that you're being serious.

 

[Guntah]

Would he have died if he used it against Akainu?

Would he have let himself captured against Blackbeard?

Yes and yes. Just Armament Haki wouldn't have changed the outcome of the fight against Blackbeard significantly, Teach was clearly way above Ace at the time. Not to mention, he jumped in front of Akainu to shield Luffy, nothing else he did would've blocked that attack, so he used himself as a human shield. Armament Haki wouldn't have made a difference there either.