according to Naruto fanbase logic 15 years old Obito > Minato

[Inichi Matsuka]

ms is not a living breathing creature with own will

Except that he was being controlled. Did you just skip that part or something?

Obito had lost control of Kurama. Fighting Minato was not his objective, which he still lost at.
Minato already used the Reaper Death Seal by the time he was stabbed. So no, Obito lost.

Your logic is very much flawed.

 

[Minator93]

according to your logic Hiruzen pwned Orochimaru U_U

Hiruzen did pwn Orochimaru U_U

Prime Orochimaru lost everything and it wasn't until 619 he got a new body and his ninjutsu back U_U

 

[YellowFang]

according to your logic Hiruzen pwned Orochimaru U_U

Hiruzen died exactly at Oro's hand... So he lost...
Minato died while accomplishing his tasks....

 

[Invsblphntm]

The logic behind this post is lacking.


The Kyuubi was separated from Tobi when he killed Minato, Tobi had no control over Minato's death.


ex. I send a dog on a leash to attack

You break the leash and I run

Then the dog kills you


DID I KILL YOU?

 

[Sot viing hun]

Minato used contract seal on Obito, and he lost control of the beast, therefore it was not a part of his power anymore.

Then Minato won and Obito retreated.

 

[htmwall]

unlike uchihas who get handed kurama's power by just having an eye(ahem the uchiha usual instant cheat codes),naruto took time and training to control that power.so obito,madara or any uchiha controlling a bijuu is not legit powerU_U IMO basically another cheat code meant to ensure their survival:snickremember how the MS powers are obtained and you'll know i'm right).

 

[Almighty Ra]

Omg they let anyone make a thread these days..Does he get credit for this?? smh

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[Kurama2012]

ms is not a living breathing creature with own will

thats not the point you take a power away from one character you have to do the same to the other so it would be a fair trade the only exception is if that character looses something in the continuation of the series which i might add itachi has lost his sharingan
and the sharingan may not be a living breathing creature but it is an exclusive power to one clan hardly seems fair

but the fox has been there
same story as: Pain stated Jman might have won if he had knowledge BUT HE HADN'T SO IT DOESN'T MATTER

again not my point what im saying is obito is lucky the fox was their as it got more of minatos attention after he freed it from obito so it was no longer obitos pawn to use so from that point obito had no footing in that fight as he had lost and retreated from the fight

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

thats not the point you take a power away from one character you have to do the same to the other so it would be a fair trade the only exception is if that character looses something in the continuation of the series which i might add itachi has lost his sharingan
and the sharingan may not be a living breathing creature but it is an exclusive power to one clan hardly seems fair

again not my point what im saying is obito is lucky the fox was their as it got more of minatos attention after he freed it from obito so it was no longer obitos pawn to use so from that point obito had no footing in that fight as he had lost and retreated from the fight

Sharingan isn't a character Kurama is

The logic behind this post is lacking.


The Kyuubi was separated from Tobi when he killed Minato, Tobi had no control over Minato's death.


ex. I send a dog on a leash to attack

You break the leash and I run

Then the dog kills you


DID I KILL YOU?

yes

Hiruzen died exactly at Oro's hand... So he lost...
Minato died while accomplishing his tasks....

Hiruzen accomplished his task too
Orochimaru failed and almost died against a 70 years old geezer Lol

 

[YellowFang]

Hiruzen accomplished his task too
Orochimaru failed and almost died against a 70 years old geezer Lol

I never said Oro succeeded but he did killed the Hokage with paying any price to it...
Hiruzen protected the village but there wasn't any Kyuubi destroying it... a mere snake summoning...
Also many were protecting the village...
And in the whole fight Oro dominated just before his defeat...

Minato owned Obito...
Hiruzen defeated Oro...
Catch the difference...

 

[Kurama2012]

Sharingan isn't a character Kurama is



yes



Hiruzen accomplished his task too
Orochimaru failed and almost died against a 70 years old geezer Lol

again you are missing the point you cant take a power from a character no matter if its a demon or an exclusive power without taking away from that other player as by taking away the fox from naruto you cripple him same with uchiha and sharingan it doesn't matter if they are living or not as naruto is using the fox chakra himself not the fox fighting for him

also the only time you can actually take a power away is if its already been taken like with kabuto, kisame, and itachi or if you want to challenge characters in a hypothetical situation

 

[Nous]

Just because one ninja can defeat another ninja, doesn't mean that they're more powerful.
Sasuke < Danzo, but Danzo lost the fight.
Naruto < Nagato, but Nagato lost the fight.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Just because one ninja can defeat another ninja, doesn't mean that they're more powerful.
Sasuke < Danzo, but Danzo lost the fight.
Naruto < Nagato, but Nagato lost the fight.

yeah good point
the Sasuke vs Danzou fight was bs I wanted Danzou to rape the sh*t out of Sasuke Lol

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Sharingan isn't a character Kurama is



yes



Hiruzen accomplished his task too
Orochimaru failed and almost died against a 70 years old geezer Lol

Kurama got released from Obito's control and acted on his own will, not Obito's. Therefore, Kurama's actions at that point are credited to him not Obito. If anything, Kurama killed Minato.

 

[Stark]

He did well against a Hokage level ninja, kudos to Obito but he did retreat.

 

[AlphaScythian]

15y obito > minato for couple of reasons.
He has better S/T and some knowledge.
He has powerful genjutsu.
He has stamina.
Good taijutsu and reaction speed
Mokuton.
If u add kyubi its overkill. But what did obito do? He attempted constantly to restrict minato with a chain and warp to another dimension. Knowing too well minato has S/T himself and this kind of shit would never work...Kishi's writing i guess...

 

[shelke]

Minato had luck going for him. Obito lost as his eye was being used to control Kurama. I believe this performance was vastly lackluster on Minato's part. This whole 'he analyzed his S/T jutsu was amazing' is another redundant point as even Danzo's guards broke it down in a matter of seconds. Is this all why this guy is insanely popular here? Misplaced popularity then.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

obito never did fight together with kurama like madara did against hashirama. so the logic is correct. minato could never beat both of them at once.

Minato used contract seal on Obito, and he lost control of the beast, therefore it was not a part of his power anymore.

he wouldnt have that opportuniy if he fought both together

Hiruzen did pwn Orochimaru

Prime Orochimaru lost everything and it wasn't until 619 he got a new body and his ninjutsu back

small price to pay since at least he didnt DIE

Obito's goals:
1- Retrieve Kyuubi... Failed
2- Destroy Konoha... Failed
3- Defeat the Hokage... Lost badly

obito's goal was destroy konoha. the rest of it didnt really matter to him. in a sense he did. his actions caused uchiha coup de'at which led to sasukes descent into evil which led to him not killing naruto which led to pain being sent after naruto who destroyed konoha due to the fact there was no longer any uchihas to protect it

Also He would've died if not for the Zetsu body!!!

idiot its his own power now. minato would have died without FTG kunais

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Naruto <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Itachi
Naruto and Kurama >= Itachi

Ok sooo MS Obito <<<< Minato
Ms obito and kurama <<<< Minato....your logic fails you hater

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

And in the whole fight Oro dominated just before his defeat...

Minato owned Obito...
Hiruzen defeated Oro...

neither happened. minato died. hiruzen died. orochimaru did not feel the need to retreat till after his opponent was DEAD and failed to kill him.