[Discussion] ABC Logic

[Sakazuki]

In Naruto I do believe ABC logic does not exist.

But in one piece, I whole heartedly feel like one piece is huge on ABC Logic.

Like for example in the recent debate, because doffy took control of jozu but couldn't luffy , and G4 luffy beat Doffy and Couldn't beat Cracker, so I think Cracker and Luffy > doffy and jozu

Also jozu was able to block Mihawks slash, granted one more woukdv put him down in my opinion, than crackers biscuits should be able to as well, maybe only one but he can make plenty of them, he won't win, but with kata he would

But beside just that. What do you guys think? Does one piece have ABC logic

Hell look at whitebeard and then kaido haha

They basically already rank everyone. It's pretty ABC

 

[Wrappering_]

I don't believe Katakuri needs Cracker to defeat Mihawk, Kata would mid-high diff Mihawk and most of the other Warlords. ABC logic is more common in Naruto than One Piece IMHO.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I don't believe Katakuri needs Cracker to defeat Mihawk, Kata would mid-high diff Mihawk and most of the other Warlords. ABC logic is more common in Naruto than One Piece IMHO.

Zoro must be really close to becoming WSS if Mihawk is mid-high diff material for Yonko FMs.

 

[Donald J Trump]

ABC logic exists a lot more in Naruto than One piece. Look at Enel Vs Luffy, that was just a lucky matchup for Luffy.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Onepiece uses real world logic (sometimes) when it comes to different materials.
Jozu was able to block the worlds strongest slash because his skin is made of diamond. Nobody should be able to cut diamonds logically not even a heated pressurized air slash.

Cracker may very well have his biscuits get severed.
On top of that, Doflamingo landed a blindside attack

 

[chopstickchakra]

In Naruto I do believe ABC logic does not exist.

But in one piece, I whole heartedly feel like one piece is huge on ABC Logic.

Like for example in the recent debate, because doffy took control of jozu but couldn't luffy , and G4 luffy beat Doffy and Couldn't beat Cracker, so I think Cracker and Luffy > doffy and jozu

Also jozu was able to block Mihawks slash, granted one more woukdv put him down in my opinion, than crackers biscuits should be able to as well, maybe only one but he can make plenty of them, he won't win, but with kata he would

But beside just that. What do you guys think? Does one piece have ABC logic

Hell look at whitebeard and then kaido haha

They basically already rank everyone. It's pretty ABC

No. You might be able to find instances where it checks out if you skew it to work but as a rule of thumb in predicting fight outcomes it holds a lot less ground in op because it's near impossible to predict how two dfs may interact. Also why would Cracker's Biscuits be able to handle a slash from Mihawk just because diamond can?

Like Trump said, Luffy beat Enel but Magellan beat Luffy so does that mean Magellan can beat Enel? But how if neither have shown haki to hit each other? Or how about Gin beat Sanji but Sanji beat Kuroobi(Arlongs' fishman lackey) so does that mean Gin can beat Kuroobi?

 

[SixPathsMike101]

I don’t think that was using Mihawks full power either

 

[Wrappering_]

Zoro must be really close to becoming WSS if Mihawk is mid-high diff material for Yonko FMs.

What could Mihawk actually do to hurt Katakuri? The answer is nothing.Katakuri would probably give Akainu a run for his money as well. Big Mom already hinted that Katakuri has even surpassed the ex-king of the Pirates: Rogers D Gol.

 

[Passerby]

What could Mihawk actually do to hurt Katakuri? The answer is nothing.Katakuri would probably give Akainu a run for his money as well. Big Mom already hinted that Katakuri has even surpassed the ex-king of the Pirates: Rogers D Gol.

I agree
Even Oda himself said that "In a 1 on 1 always bet on Katakuri"

 

[Wrappering_]

I agree
Even Oda himself said that "In a 1 on 1 always bet on Katakuri"

Very, Very few in OP verse have King's Sight. Katakuri and Rogers are the only two we know of so far.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

In One Piece? Hell no. OP is very match up dependent and every stat plays a factor. This may sound crazy at first, but Hody Jones has more brute strength than Fujitora but the former is way too slow to be a threat to anyone. He was Base Luffy's punching bag.

 

[Sakazuki]

In One Piece? Hell no. OP is very match up dependent and every stat plays a factor. This may sound crazy at first, but Hody Jones has more brute strength than Fujitora but the former is way too slow to be a threat to anyone. He was Base Luffy's punching bag.

It's not a bad thing and yes it is in one piece

 

[chopstickchakra]

Very, Very few in OP verse have King's Sight. Katakuri and Rogers are the only two we know of so far.

Correction, very few in OP that we've seen, remember very very few had arm haki when it was intro'd, and if you don't think someone with the epithet Hawk eyes will have one of, if not the, greatest eye skills in OP you're crazy. Also Luffy showed this ability not only in the Kata fight(seemingly) but also at MF against Mihawk.

 

[Love Cook]

Lol it is the other way around ABC logic is way bigger in Naruto than in One Piece.

If you take Devil Fruits, Haki and natural resistance into account you can have someone who is a lot weaker take on a much stronger opponent.

Take people like Kuma or Sugar, or others with abilities that can touch you and it's game over. The only way to defend from that is with Haki.

pre timeskip Luffy is probably capable of beating Sugar up physically, but he would lose that fight.

Vergo was stronger than Law physically, but he lost that fight.

Enel lost the fight, Crocodile lost the fight.

That list goes on, like Fishman Karate vs Devil Fruit users etc.

Also the rank system tells you nothing in One Piece. Look at the big power gap within the shichinukai, or vice-admirals. Even the admirals like is Fujitora really on the old admiral level ?

It's not a rank based on power, it's a title.

 

[chopstickchakra]

It's not a bad thing and yes it is in one piece

Not really, like I said you can make situations where it will work but you can also make situations where it doesn't hold true. Oda has stressed before that someone who is weaker than their opponent can still find ways to win thanks to DF interactions. Here's another case;
Luffy beat Cracker because of Nami but said Cracker was one of the(the) strongest things he's hit and didn't seem to be able to break his biscuits well based on that showing Cracker>Luffy 1v1 at that time? But then Luffy beats Kata so does that mean Cracker>Kata? The answer is no but ABC implies it would be the case.

 

[Caliburn]

Actually it's the complete opposite as one of the many reasons I like OP so much is it's lack of such ABC logic, which makes it far more realistic as there are many different factors involved.

What you are doing is forcefully trying to apply ABC logic on OP, which is something many people do purely for sake of being able to say that character A will beat character C just because he was able to beat character B.

Take your example now. DD can't control what people say, even if he is using his strings and neither can he make them use Haki. Yet this is exactly what Jozu did when he was fighting Crocodile. DD didn't control Jozu as far as we know, he just stopped him for an instant in the midst of a chaotic war when he was fighting someone else just so he could talk to Crocodile. Don't forget that DD's powers are creating strings, which by default is something suitable to restrain people. If Jozu was fighting DD one on one, it's highly unlikely that DD would be able to restrain Jozu so easily.

So honestly it's completely absurd that a brief, rather insignificant scene like hat is used to determine the outcome of an almost random 2 vs 2 battle

What you just did feels like you tried to solve a mathematical equation by guessing half of the involved numbers and then say there's logic involved.

 

[kiiro]

Zoro can cut anything.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Actually it's the complete opposite as one of the many reasons I like OP so much is it's lack of such ABC logic, which makes it far more realistic as there are many different factors involved.

What you are doing is forcefully trying to apply ABC logic on OP, which is something many people do purely for sake of being able to say that character A will beat character C just because he was able to beat character B.

Take your example now. DD can't control what people say, even if he is using his strings and neither can he make them use Haki. Yet this is exactly what Jozu did when he was fighting Crocodile. DD didn't control Jozu as far as we know, he just stopped him for an instant in the midst of a chaotic war when he was fighting someone else just so he could talk to Crocodile. Don't forget that DD's powers are creating strings, which by default is something suitable to restrain people. If Jozu was fighting DD one on one, it's highly unlikely that DD would be able to restrain Jozu so easily.

So honestly it's completely absurd that a brief, rather insignificant scene like hat is used to determine the outcome of an almost random 2 vs 2 battle

What you just did feels like you tried to solve a mathematical equation by guessing half of the involved numbers and then say there's logic involved.

You're completely right about that but the reason why Dofy landed that attack much more effectively than he would in a one on one fight is because he landed a blindside attack just like Jozu did Aokiji.

 

[Caliburn]

You're completely right about that but the reason why Dofy landed that attack much more effectively than he would in a one on one fight is because he landed a blindside attack just like Jozu did Aokiji.

Not really sure which attack you are referring to. As I said Jozu attacked Crocodile of his own accord, that was not DD manipulating Jozu in any way. Only when Jozu wanted to attack again, DD stopped him, but that's it. Essentially DD ambushed Jozu while he was fighting someone else on a chaotic battlefield and it's unlikely he would be able to restrain him that easily when they would be facing each other.

My point was that this was only a very brief scene that means little to nothing and that it's absurd that that is used to determine the result of a random match-up in 2 vs 2 fight. Then you are forcing ABC logic on OP.

 

[Sakazuki]

I agree
Even Oda himself said that "In a 1 on 1 always bet on Katakuri"

This had me dead lmfao