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Re: Genjutsu training with Reborn

i just wanted you to know im familiar with the concepts of breaking and cast genjutsu but ive never heard of layering it
also im not sure but is there sharingan genjutsu on nb or is all just referred to as genjutsu and if so are there any that require only one tomoe
 

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Re: Genjutsu training with Reborn

You think you're familiar with the concepts of breaking and casting. I'm almost positive you don't know everything, especially since there are some within the context of our RP which aren't in the series itself but based off of.

As for Sharingan. Yes there is a subsection of genjutsu that requires the Sharingan if you are to use any of them. In order to use any Sharingan genjutsu, however, you must obtain training up to 3tome; first going through activation and recovery, 2 and 3 tome training before you even learn the genjutsu. Of course you need an approved Uchiha/Kakashi bio. Which I suggest you have only one of since you don't need to bios with Sharingan.

Now then onto our training. Before I asked you to explain to me one of the methods by which you break genjutsu. Well this time I want you to list all the ways in which you are capable of breaking genjutsu and how they do so. And if I see any copying and pasting from either the forum or the wiki I'm going to beat your ass
 

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Re: Genjutsu training with Reborn

Ways to Break Genjutsu
1)The user has to apply a large burst of chakra to disrupt the flow
2)A tailed beast can break their jinshurikee from it i think the the beast just over powers it with more chakra sorta like the first
3)the user can inflict pain on himself like stabbing his leg with a kunia like sasuke did to get his senses back to normal order
4) another way is the sharingan it can detect the genjutsu and break it if the user is skilled enough like sasuke did to itachi
that is all i know currently
 

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Re: Genjutsu training with Reborn

I see you barely know any...

The Four main ways in which you break a genjutsu are as follows:

Genjutsu Kai: Genjutsu kai is the most basic method of releasing genjutsu. Told within the series this consists of the user, after knowing that they are indeed within a genjutsu they will make a hand seal and momentarily halt or drastically slow down their flow of chakra. Then, in a sudden burst which is used to re-establish your flow, the foreign chakra that was obstructing yours and causing the genjutsu will be forced out of you. On the base you are capable of using this technique to release you from pretty much any level of technique provided you have the mobility to make a hand seal and you have the appropriate rank and skill to release the level of genjutsu you were put under.
~C-ranked Genjutsu and below can be released by your rank, Jounin
~B-ranked Genjutsu and below can be released by S-class Ninja
~A-ranked Genjutsu and below can be released by Sannin
~S-ranked Genjutsu and below can be released by Sage (unofficial/official)


Pain: Pain is a method used to disrupt genjutsu by returning your senses to reality. You disrupt the balance of reality and fiction when you use a genjutsu and by inflicting real, physical pain upon yourself you can return to reality thereby relinquishing the foreign chakra inside you causing the genjutsu. Now in order for this method to work, however, you need enough pain on the outside to be able to rattle your senses and break the genjutsu and that is all dependent on the level of genjutsu you are put under. The weaker the genjutsu the less amount of pain you need to inflict and the stronger a genjutsu the more you need to. That is why, this method is not the best way to deal with every genjutsu. When dealing with the highest class of genjutsu you will be faced with having to deal so much physical damage to yourself there will almost certainly be a hindrance. For specific amounts of pain you need to incur for genjutsu you can go to the thread I linked you earlier from the base and read them for yourself.

External Chakra Kai: You covered this briefly when you talked with the Jinchuuriki. However you don't know why a Bijuu can release somebody from genjutsu. Think back to when Naruto, Kakashi, Sakura, and Chiyo fought against Itachi. What did Chiyo say about releasing genjutsu? If you have a comrade on the field somebody they can use their chakra, insert it into you and force out the foreign chakra that is causing the genjutsu. In our RP this means anybody with a chakra source and a cognitive ability to channel chakra into you: this can be clones, summoning animals, sentient or pseudo sentient weapons like Samehada, or Bijuu. Bijuu are life forms with separate chakra from the user. Think of it as just a comrade living inside you so if you are infected with genjutsu, they can use their chakra to release you just like any other comrade.

Full Body Surge: Finally, this method was coined within our RP. As you progress in learning the other elements like earth and lightning and even come across learning customs you will learn of this method. Full Body surges refer to actual techniques that release chakra from every chakra point in your body. If you are familiar with the technique Neji Hyuuga used against one of the Whit Zetsu: Full Body Blow. That is an example of a full body surge method. He released raw chakra from every point in his body that attacked his opponent. In the canon there are other techniques like this, in the regard that they release chakra from every point. How this helps is; while you're in a genjutsu you still have the capability to manipulate your chakra abeilt you may be stalled for a moment when the genjutsu is taking affect, nevertheless you can still manipulate your chakra. Therefore you have the ability to use techniques. The Full Body Surge method is similar to Genjutsu Kai in the sense that you're using a burst of chakra to release yourself from the genjutsu. However, you are not stopping or slowing down your chakra flow with this method, you are simply forcing a higher degree of chakra through your body to override the foreign chakra afflicting you. You will use the technique and in using that technique you force out the foreign genjutsu chakra. However in order for you to use this method effectively 1 condition must be met and that is; the level of the technique you use to release the genjutsu must be of a higher rank/power than the genjutsu itself. Depending on the type of chakra you use, the conditions for HOW strong will vary.
~Elemental chakra Surges Must be 1-rank Higher than the genjutsu you are under
~Raw chakra (non-elemental) surges must be 2-ranks higher than the genjutsu you are under

Now then...do you have any questions?
 

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Re: Genjutsu training with Reborn

if you dont mind i will be training while rping as kid kakashi and will be in character for the rest of the training is there a certain bio you will use

Kakashi looks at his sensei with astonishment and thinks to himself "so this is the man they call a genjutsu master there no doubt that he deserves such a title i was never one to envy but theres something unusual about him that I cant quite put my finger on something i like" kakashi then bowed his head respectully and said "no sensei I do not have any questions your decription was precise and covered everything I wasnt sure about"
 

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Re: Genjutsu training with Reborn

Im a big uchiha fan so Ieyasu Uchiha

kakashi relaxed in a tree branch awaiting the new sensei that was going to teach him not knowing anything about him except the fact that he was an uchiha "I wonder if this new guy is going to be any good"
 

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Re: Genjutsu training with Reborn

As you sat atop the tree awaiting for him, Ieayasu appeared in front of you almost as if out of thin air. He slid his foot over to your legs to push them off in order to force your fall from the tree.

"Get off your ass..." Were his first words as he pushed you. "I'm Ieayasu, from this moment on you'll listen well and do as I say got it?"
 

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Re: Genjutsu training with Reborn

as kakashi was falling from the tree he quickly focused chakra at his feet to attach himself to the tree he then walked down the tree and looks at the man and says so in other words your my new sensei kakashi says with a smirk thinking to himself seems like training with this guy wont be easy but he seems skilled kakashi then says I am Kakashi and i will be your student not that it matters who i am because you dont seem like the type to care theres only one thing you need to know about im kakashi hatake and im different from the rest you have taught
 

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"Everybody is different, doesn't mean anything. You're just another brat to me. Now then lets continue from where you left off. You were being brought through the basics of breaking out of a genjutsu. There are a few more, advanced concepts you need to understand before breaking genjutsu...

There's one basic thing that I must emphasize to you before learn these advanced concepts. What is the perhaps the most important piece of knowledge you need to know about before you can break out of a genjutsu technique?"
 

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Re: Genjutsu training with Reborn

kakashi thinks to him selfi i know everybody is different but thats not what i meant im gonna have to get more specific with my replies to this guy kakashi then hears the question and answers the effect of breaking out of different rank genjutsu as it can vary from biting your thumb to inflicting a serious wound to yourself
 
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"Wrong you failure...The most important piece of knowledge you need about a genjutsu before you can break it is the knowledge of being under the spell of a genjutsu to begin with. Of course there are some accidental cases of breaking out of a rudimentary or simple technique without much ramifications before hand but in all honesty those cases are extremely rare in a fight and usually only happen to shinobi who are extremely adept enough who have overbearing techniques. However, against a specialist in the field of genjutsu, or heaven forbid a master, if you're caught in an illusion and are unaware of it you're as good as dead if you don't realize it immediately."
 

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Theres no need to call me a failure. OK the most important piece of information is the knowledge that you are under a genjutsu.I have a question how does the sharingan aid in finding out if i am under a genjutsu or not?
 

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"Don't talk back. The Sharingan users possess a specifically advantageous affinity when it comes to genjutsu which I'm sure you already know from the stories of the Uchiha. Specifically the sharingan grants one the ability to see chakra flow similar to the Hyuuga or other chakra sensors however, in regard to the ability of the Sharingan to see chakra it's more in common with ordinary chakra sensors. Hyuga dojutsu possess x-ray and a heightened distance quality of sight. Nevertheless Sharingan have the ability to see their own chakra flow should they manage to suspect they are in a genjutsu and if they're suspisciouns are correct they can take the appropriate measure to release genjutsu. Secondly against most genjutsu (visual) the Sharingan's keen perception, unlike the Hyuuga or other sensors, allows us to distinguish reality from fiction. Our eyes give us the unique ability to "see through" most types of genjutsu and break through it passively. Nevertheless as Uchiha we still need to discern that we are being put in a genjutsu in the first place. It's just we are arguably better at doing so then other shinobi without the dojutsu"
 

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Re: Genjutsu training with Reborn

(Wow you must have been bored to reply to my training) I see,thank you i have a better understanding on the relationship between the sharingan and Genjutsu.
 

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Alright, perform for me the most recently technique you've learned. Explain for me how you would utilize it in battle, and how you might check to see if you're in reality or illusion when caught in it.
 

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I aint teach him any jutsu yet, he was barely comprehending basics.
I thought you were leaving. :|

Anywho, the basics of genjutsu is that genjutsu enters the mind of your opponent, affecting how the nervous system interprets signals from your body (thus affecting your five senses).
I see Reborn has covered breaking genjutsu thoroughly.

So, do you have any questions or anything you want me to go over before we get to techniques?
 
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