A world without religon

[Natsu Shazneel]

We do it for the sake of the books.

So whats your solution for humanity?

 

[Ripple Hole]

So whats your solution for humanity?

Drugs and morphine.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

I'm glad we have more people posting in this thread, but we are far too off track. The topic suggests that, without Religion, humans would not have created law and order to preserve our humanity and keep us from going extinct. Now my assertion is that the creation of religion did not spontaneously give us a sense of right and wrong, did not give us the psychological capacity to understand the consequences of horrible acts, did not spontaneously give us the ability to be civil, did not save our species from going extinct, and other things the OP claimed the power of religion seems to do.

You can be an atheist and still have the presence of mind to not stone a fool in the jugular vein. This is what a psychopath does, and a psychopath has an abnormality in the anatomy of his brain. Atheists do not have such abnormalities.

We have the intelligence to establish laws by ourselves. We have done more complex things than ethics throughout ancient history.

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[Multiply]

I'm glad we have more people posting in this thread, but we are far too off track. The topic suggests that, without Religion, humans would not have created law and order to preserve our humanity and keep us from going extinct. Now my assertion is that the creation of religion did not spontaneously give us a sense of right and wrong, did not give us the psychological capacity to understand the consequences of horrible acts, did not spontaneously give us the ability to be civil, did not save our species from going extinct, and other things the OP claimed the power of religion seems to do.

You can be an atheist and still have the presence of mind to not stone a fool in the jugular vein. This is what a psychopath does, and a psychopath has an abnormality in the anatomy of his brain. Atheists do not have such abnormalities.

We have the intelligence to establish laws by ourselves. We have done more complex things than ethics throughout ancient history.

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Well said.

 

[Bronze]

That would mean the religious people who invented the maths, science and technology we use would not have existed, and humans would act like animals without religion teaching them moral values. A great world indeed!

 

[Flakez]

That would mean the religious people who invented the maths, science and technology we use would not have existed, and humans would act like animals without religion teaching them moral values. A great world indeed!

You don't need religion to have moral values and be a decent person. If you require religion to know what's right and what's wrong, then you're not very intelligent.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Drugs and morphine.

I rather follow my human way. Thanks for your input.

 

[Bronze]

You don't need religion to have moral values and be a decent person. If you require religion to know what's right and what's wrong, then you're not very intelligent.

Firstly, our interpretation of moral values is different. Secondly, intelligence is acquired by learning and learning religion can make you intelligent/acknowledged, thus better human being since religion upgrades your spirit. Without religion, you will have morality, drugs and evil spirit doing all sorts of bad stuff, which already exists in secular countries. But, with the right interpretation of religion and the strive to be better human being, you can have a safe and healthy society.

 

[Ripple Hole]

Firstly, our interpretation of moral values is different. Secondly, intelligence is acquired by learning and learning religion can make you intelligent/acknowledged, thus better human being since religion upgrades your spirit. Without religion, you will have morality, drugs and evil spirit doing all sorts of bad stuff, which already exists in secular countries. But, with the right interpretation of religion and the strive to be better human being, you can have a safe and healthy society.

Wtf .. pretty sure every country/community has that..

 

[Multiply]

Firstly, our interpretation of moral values is different. Secondly, intelligence is acquired by learning and learning religion can make you intelligent/acknowledged, thus better human being since religion upgrades your spirit. Without religion, you will have morality, drugs and evil spirit doing all sorts of bad stuff, which already exists in secular countries. But, with the right interpretation of religion and the strive to be better human being, you can have a safe and healthy society.

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This guy... Lmao :lol.

 

[Bronze]

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This guy... Lmao :lol.

Intelligence definition: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Wtf .. pretty sure every country/community has that..

United States, Brazil, Mexico, United Kingdom etc. They're filled with morality, drug violence, racism and so on, and these countries are secular ones.

Now let's compare them to countries that apply religion as their official constitution: Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait and Oman - all have low crime rates due to the prohibition of committing crime in religion and the harsh punishment applied to it; all have low, if none morality; all are safe and peaceful countries to live and work there, with beneficial standards like free education, healthcare and high wages.

 

[Multiply]

Intelligence definition: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

I was laughing at this part:

learning religion can make you intelligent/acknowledged, thus better human being since religion upgrades your spirit.

That's comedy.

 

[Ripple Hole]

Intelligence definition: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.



United States, Brazil, Mexico, United Kingdom etc. They're filled with morality, drug violence, racism and so on, and these countries are secular ones.

Now let's compare them to countries that apply religion as their official constitution: Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait and Oman - all have low crime rates due to the prohibition of committing crime in religion and the harsh punishment applied to it; all have low, if none morality; all are safe and peaceful countries to live and work there, with beneficial standards like free education, healthcare and high wages.

Wtf are you talking about.
Every EVERY location has it's share of problems, with each of those you mentioned.
And I know for a fact Brazil and Usa are fixed on making their problems known, and
want more reports to fly in, opposed to some countries that like to sweep shit under the rug.

I won't even mention how Christianity helped in founding the USA slaughtering Native Americans,
or the Crusades.

 

[Bronze]

I was laughing at this part:



That's comedy.

I'm glad to promote sense of humour.

Wtf are you talking about.
Every EVERY location has it's share of problems, with each of those you mentioned.
And I know for a fact Brazil and Usa are fixed on making their problems known, and
want more reports to fly in, opposed to some countries that like to sweep shit under the rug.

I won't even mention how Christianity helped in founding the USA slaughtering Native Americans,
or the Crusades.

If it's not reported, then it didn't happen until you prove it did. Besides, I lived in both parts and I know what life is like.

We're talking about modern history, not Middle Ages.

 

[Ripple Hole]

If it's not reported, then it didn't happen until you prove it did. Besides, I lived in both parts and I know what life is like.

We're talking about modern history, not Middle Ages.

You describe religion as something positive, and I brought up
past incidents directly involving religion's influence, the time period
changes nothing.

 

[Bronze]

You describe religion as something positive, and I brought up
past incidents directly involving religion's influence, the time period
changes nothing.

I said this: ''the right interpretation of religion''. What you said is the action of people's greed for wealth and power, and using religion as tool to promote their propaganda; doesn't mean it's the fault of the religion. No religion in history promotes violence.

 

[Multiply]

I said this: ''the right interpretation of religion''. What you said is the action of people's greed for wealth and power, and using religion as tool to promote their propaganda; doesn't mean it's the fault of the religion. No religion in history promotes violence.

This logic is so stupid. The right side of anything is obviously that; right. You can nitpick the 'right side' of a religion all you like, but it is a major cause of violence in the world and has been for thousands of years.

 

[Bronze]

This logic is so stupid. The right side of anything is obviously that; right. You can nitpick the 'right side' of a religion all you like, but it is a major cause of violence in the world and has been for thousands of years.

Nah, nah just people's greed for wealth and power is the cause of violence.

 

[Ripple Hole]

I said this: ''the right interpretation of religion''. What you said is the action of people's greed for wealth and power, and using religion as tool to promote their propaganda; doesn't mean it's the fault of the religion. No religion in history promotes violence.

Yea, I don't care whether it does or doesn't. If religion was such a good thing
it wouldn't be possible to abuse it so well.

The fact that there's been multiple genocides within a few centuries under the name
of religion itself says that religion doesn't have much of a good influence.
It literally says you shouldn't kill in it, yet it's capable of being used to do
so efficiently.

Stuff like that really makes me wonder.

How much influence does it really have? It seems to me people just cherry pick what fits them
out of it anyways just to force it onto someone else.

 

[Bronze]

Yea, I don't care whether it does or doesn't. If religion was such a good thing
it wouldn't be possible to abuse it so well.

Because religion is the promotion of peace and love that evil could manipulate its followers to join his/her agenda. It's not that hard to grasp you know. It's how politics work. With that kind of IQ, you're not going to see the world properly.