what a epik contradiction....
Contradiction is Truth.
"Those are the facts of this world, and you will all surrender to them!"
u know when some1 choose to be in dark side with his free will...that means he is aware of consequences..that means he has all necessary knowledge and means that allows it....that also means Madara has B^ll$ and courage to do it....
So, when a girl chooses to walk into a room with a guy, she is fully knowledgeable of everything that is about to happen and is making that choice with full awareness?
The idea that anyone acts with full comprehension of their choice's consequence, or even their own biases leading up to that decision, is simply a self-delusion. No one has complete awareness of every consequence that will come from their actions. Every person is bound by the limits of, if nothing else, the Uncertainty Principle with regard to the consequences of their actions.
Choosing to take a 'dark path' is choosing to act in a manner one finds morally objectionable - 'the ends justify the means.' I am going to kill these people, because I have decided that their living is an unacceptable risk that I lack the capacity to manage. While such an action may take an amount of courage, that does not mean his actions are exempt from evaluation.
thats teh difference between Madara,nagato and bobito....nagato and bobito have zero b^ll$ to walk deep within dark side and thats teh reason why naruto uzumaki talknojusted them so easily but never dared talknojutsu Madara...
madara creats villains like nagato and bobito....but villains do not creat him...
Madara did nothing more than enable Obito and Nagato - the same as with Black Zetsu and Madara. Black Zetsu enabled Madara. Had it not been for BZ altering the tablet, Madara would have likely failed. Had it not been for Black Zetsu attaching himself to Madara, Obito would have never been possible. Etc. Etc. In the end, the only aspect of Madara that was developed on its own was his "before-darkness" character that was hardly explored in the series, and his fall into despair at his inability to deal with the challenges everyone faces in life. Madara chose to try and seize, by force, things he felt he was owed, all the while blaming the rest of the world.
Again, at least Nagato had the presence of mind to realize he was becoming the very type of villain he despised - he simply reasoned that there would always be such a villain threatening the world and that he would be able to impart a benevolence to the role that was usually lacking. Madara never seemed to grasp the idea that his plan was to, essentially, destroy all life and consciousness and never grappled with the consequences of his own actions. He believed everyone would be shown a dream world they would enjoy, and never stopped to question what it would mean to suspend everyone in a perpetual dream.
He wasn't TNJ'd because, by the time the withered husk of Madara was encountered on the battlefield, there was nothing left of his existence but the plan he put in motion. There was no Uchiha clan to restore to dignity. There was no significant other to return to. There were no friends. There was only hatred and disdain for the very concept of life and independent will.
thats why black zetsu never dared tempte madara becuz he know madara isn't like indra easy to tempt and manipulate...
See above. Madara never needed to be tempted into being a tool for Black Zetsu.
How easier could it get? Madara was willing to kill one of his only friends over the seat of the Hokage after just a few years, and before his term was supposed to come into effect. This put an end to Hashirama, and opened the door to Tobirama, who was far less trusting of the Uchiha and far more paranoid. The Uchiha, having lost their leader, also became paranoid and resentful.
WELL calculated move, Madara! Because he never considered the idea he would lose his attempt at a coupe, he set in motion the cascade of events that would lead to the Uchiha Clan Massacre.
OH... but you "won" because you were "looking toward the future." Because this is a WELL written character, devoid of any kind of ass-pulls, Madara used bullshit-no-jutsu to come back from the dead, then go into super secret hiding while his clan fell into ruin. Because
that was his plan all along!?
Madara basically ensured the very issues he used to justify his actions were THE RESULT of his PRIOR actions. It's a good thing we are dealing with quantum mechanics, because causality just got violated like the EU by Muslims. Madara uses the oppression of the Senju to justify his tirade, yet his PLANNED 'death' and murder of his friend MADE IT SO THOSE EVENTS WOULD TRANSPIRE.
think about it do u really think Madara was dumb to not know that teh uchiha stone was fake???...
I would expect most people to have at least some reservations as to the validity of prophetic stones promising world peace by mind-raping them, yes.
I would, also, however, expect someone to stop and think about the consequences of a coupe attempt. So... the character in the Naruto manga fails to meet my expectations for what sentient and intelligent creatures do.
Sure, we can buy the idea that he was being driven purely on emotion and got a bit tunnel-visioned... but when it is later revealed that he actually planned to 'appear to die' - or it is played off that way... then his actions come out to be rather foolishly planned and haphazard.
-now just becuz some1 opposed senjus and hashirama(will of fire) does that necessary means he is in evil dark side???..
It's a straw man.
Knocked down and set on fire.
hashirama viewed peace only from his senju or will of fire perspective...but Madara had both senju and uchiha powers so he viewed peace from both perspectives..
Nonsense. Madara only ever saw his own 'vision of peace' - which was a glorified form of planetary extinction. But it's all cool because they died in orgasmic bliss, or something. It wasn't even a true 'world peace.' Each individual was given their own personal dream world where they were completely insulated and isolated from the others around them. That is how he envisioned and described it. It wasn't even a dream world where everyone could be peaceful together.
He struck out alone. He trusted no one, tried to manipulate everyone, and even the 'world peace' he tried to foster was simply killing everyone while showing them their own private dream. His path was one of loneliness in the extreme, and he never changed after receiving 'senju powers' (by biting Hashirama... really?)
-Madara is teh only one who knows how to walk in dark path...becuz for him that dark path leads to a white destination(dreamworld of peace).....
His solution blatantly involves killing everyone alive if you stop to think about it for ... you know... a minute. Dude sits in a cave, sippin sap from the world tree for a hundred years, (or... twenty... time is indeed relative in the Naruto Universe), and never once stops to go "wait a damned minute..."
I mean, he DID come back from the dead after getting blown up - so it's possible his actions after VOTE were effectively Madara post-lobotomy... but some kind of light should have kicked on, there. If it was his plan before fighting Hashirama in the first place, then it becomes even more absurd as he resolves to killing everyone to show them a dream long before many of his stated reasons for doing so, and long before many of the wars between the hidden villages played out (most of which were after the VOTE, if my understanding of Naruto Timeline is correct).
All of a sudden, Madara just decides to start killing everyone because he has some kind of crisis of faith and believes all humanity will ever do is horrible things to each other. Just... poof.... like someone put that idea into his head as a genjutsu, or something. Or maybe he, as one of the few Mangekyo wielders (before Izanagi was being spammed to require the development of Izanami? ... because Senju-Uchiha hybrids were running all over the place with spare sharingans to burn up... great writing!), read something on a fake tablet, took it as truth, and then made like a good tool - threw the village system into chaos, massacred the only other clan that could read the tablet (or pose a fundamental problem to the Eye of the Moon plan, aside from the Uzumaki), and almost succeeded in exterminating humanity.
Because that was his plan all along. Fully aware of what the consequences would be.
Aim64C likes to listen to the sound of his own voice, he's never had a coherent argument and often goes on a tangent contradicting himself. Then will go onto bash you in a condescending manner once exposed.
There are those who seek to entrench within a person a certain set of biases so as to guide their actions toward a predetermined conclusion. They then seek to hide the truth from their eyes, so as to prevent them from realizing conscious action.
There are those in this world who are parasites, incapable of independent action and who need to try and steer the thoughts/emotions of others in order to survive or 'succeed.' Rather than walking in the shadows, they cling onto those who stray too close, all the while trying to convince someone that the shadows are what they really wanted all along - that the shadows are all they can ever be, now.
There is a distinction to be made between those who choose to walk in the shadows, and those who have sunk to worship of the shadows. As much as I may rag on Madara for being a fool, you are nothing more than a parasite. A 'me too' slime that tries to cling to others, devoid of any value or substance.
