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[Untamed]

It says "when people possessing the power of transmigration(rinne) get close to the moon"
and if its transmigration(rinne) , Rinne isn't just about the Rinnegan.
-Naruto doesn't have Rinnegan but he is transmigrated by Ashura. He and Ashura shared Bijuu cloak appearance.
Madara awakened the Rinnegan "after" he was hooked up to the Gedo Mazou "probably". The Gedo is the shell of the juubi(bijuu).
Maybe Kaguya transmigrates and the juubi or tree did too, into Indra and Ashura. Why they both have a connection to the moon.. o-o
just trying to come up with something lol ,but with this half moon full moon stuff going on , maybe "moon" was destroyed or half.

 

[Angelic.]

It says "when people possessing the power of transmigration(rinne) get close to the moon"
and if its transmigration(rinne) , Rinne isn't just about the Rinnegan.
-Naruto doesn't have Rinnegan but he is transmigrated by Ashura. He and Ashura shared Bijuu cloak appearance.
Madara awakened the Rinnegan "after" he was hooked up to the Gedo Mazou "probably". The Gedo is the shell of the juubi(bijuu).
Maybe Kaguya transmigrates and the juubi or tree did too, into Indra and Ashura. Why they both have a connection to the moon.. o-o
just trying to come up with something lol ,but with this half moon full moon stuff going on , maybe "moon" was destroyed or half.

madara doesnt know about transmigrants. and he summoned gedo after awakening rinne.

i think theres only one moon and its just being symbolic and stuff idk

 

[SkyGodHorus]

My interpretation of that scan was that Hagoromo was only conveying how they were different.

That's nice, but there's no basis for it.

The half moon represents Indra and was also shown alone

The full moon or sun represents Ashura and he had friends behind him

By that logic, every other time the moon has been shonw, it was simply "symbolic" and not the real thing.

The way I interpreted it is that there are two moons, being that the sons are clearly staring at each other and about to fight, each with a moon behind them and it's night. Kaguya's coming from an unknown place also supports it since she comes from the moon in the folktale. Hagoromo or Ashura may have been forced to destroy all or half the moon when Kaguya, Indra or Hagoromo's brother tried to enact IT.

The actual battle that transpired looked different because I doubt Ashura would face Indra with an army.

It's downright stated by Hagoromo that Ashura fought Indra with an army until he reached his chakra level. Indra is a child in the first panel there. Are you saying they were just having a staring context there? lols.

it was even shown in the scan of the battle that Indra had different armor on.

In the one with his susano'o he resembles an adult, meaning they fought several times, much like Hashirama and Madara.

 

[Angelic.]

lets just blame kishi for making all this stuff up at the end and us being confused. random rabbit girl and a never before seen moon. thanks kishi

 

[Lightbringer]

That's nice, but there's no basis for it.



By that logic, every other time the moon has been shonw, it was simply "symbolic" and not the real thing.

The way I interpreted it is that there are two moons, being that the sons are clearly staring at each other and about to fight, each with a moon behind them and it's night. Kaguya's coming from an unknown place also supports it since she comes from the moon in the folktale. Hagoromo or Ashura may have been forced to destroy all or half the moon when Kaguya, Indra or Hagoromo's brother tried to enact IT.

and you have a basis for saying that the moon was somehow destroyed? Which is more believable, a moon being destroyed or the scan being symbolic?


How do you explain the scan afterwards where Indra and Ashura were battling and they had different clothing on?

So either they decided to change clothing in that initial scan or it was symbolic

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[SkyGodHorus]

lets just blame kishi for making all this stuff up at the end and us being confused. random rabbit girl and a never before seen moon. thanks kishi

I'm not confused. And I don't ***** and moan when something doesn't make sense like you so don't generalize myself or others with yourself.

 

[Angelic.]

I'm not confused. And I don't ***** and moan when something doesn't make sense like you so don't generalize myself or others with yourself.

so you agree it doesnt make sense then? lol i guess we just have to wait and see

 

[SkyGodHorus]

The actual battle that transpired looked different because I doubt Ashura would face Indra with an army.

It's downright stated by Hagoromo that Ashura fought Indra with an army until he reached his chakra level. Indra is a child in the first panel there.

Are you saying they were just having a staring context there? lols.

it was even shown in the scan of the battle that Indra had different armor on.

Indra resembles a child in the first scan and an adult in the second. Hagoromo also indicated they fought each other over and over like Madara and Hashirama.

and you have a basis for saying that the moon was somehow destroyed? Which is more believable, a moon being destroyed or the scan being symbolic?

A moon being half destroyed because one of them is a crescent and the other is not.

How do you explain the scan afterwards where Indra and Ashura were battling and they had different clothing on?

Indra resembles an adult rather than a child and Hagoromo stated they fought each other over and over like Madara and Hashirama.

So either they decided to change clothing in that initial scan or it was symbolic

There's no basis for that.

 

[Lightbringer]

It's downright stated by Hagoromo that Ashura fought Indra with an army until he reached his chakra level. Indra is a child in the first panel there.

Are you saying they were just having a staring context there? lols.



Indra resembles a child in the first scan and an adult in the second. Hagoromo also indicated they fought each other over and over like Madara and Hashirama.



A moon being half destroyed because one of them is a crescent and the other is not.



Indra resembles an adult rather than a child and Hagoromo stated they fought each other over and over like Madara and Hashirama.



There's no basis for that.

The comment about the moon literally made no sense. Crescent moon doesn't mean it was half destroyed. First of all that would be impossible unless the moon was a flat shape and didn't rotate.


So I suppose character can now destroy moons left and right? The Juubi doesn't even have that power.



@Bold: You literally just made that up. It did not downright say it. All it said was that Ashura learned the power of cooperation

and no, they never stared down. It was just a symbolic portrayal


Also Indra did not look like a child. He was drawn the same. I don't really see how you came to that conclusion? He was only wearing armor



So you're telling me this image is not symbolic?

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[SkyGodHorus]

The comment about the moon literally made no sense.

Either validate that it doesn't make sense or move on. You may recall I said it's a theory, not a fact.

Crescent moon doesn't mean it was half destroyed.

Not exactly, but it follows data rather than conveniently saying both the moons are "just symbolic" with nothing to support it.

First of all that would be impossible unless the moon was a flat shape and didn't rotate.

You have yet to prove that, and Kishimoto makes the rules of his manga, not you.

So I suppose character can now destroy moons left and right?

If they can create them, possibly.

The Juubi doesn't even have that power.

Right, it's just called the god tree, the forger of the earth, possesses the nine tomoe rinnegan, gave Kaguya, Hagoromo and all the characters their powers and took the entire world to stop simply for plot convenience. You have no proof that the juubi did not possess that power, not that that is even relevant to the topic.

@Bold: You literally just made that up. It did not downright say it. All it said was that Ashura learned the power of cooperation

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and no, they never stared down.

The way you described it made it come off that way lol.

It was just a symbolic portrayal

There's no basis for that. Would you like me to say it a forth time? And the word "just" makes your argument that much more subjective.

Also Indra did not look like a child. He was drawn the same.

Well, we all interpret what we see differently and I believe he looks older in the second panel. If you can prove that he isn't, be my guest, though it's not really relevant due to the armor, indicating they fought more than once.

I don't really see how you came to that conclusion? He was only wearing armor

Because, he just looks older to me. He looks almost exactly like Madara in the second panel, and in the first, he looks like a child with his facial proportions different, shorter hair and wearing the ninshuu hierro rather than the genji armor.

So you're telling me this image is not symbolic?

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No, I'm saying it actually happened. If you want to say it's symbolic, that's fine, but so far you have nothing to support it and thus, I will not.

 

[Lightbringer]

Boo hoo. Eight validate that it doesn't make sense or move on. You may recall I said it's a theory, not a fact.



Not exactly, but it follows data rather than conveniently saying both the moons are "symbolic" with nothing to support it.



You have yet to prove that, and Kishimoto makes the rules of his manga, not you.



If they can create them, possibly.



Right, it's just called the god tree, the forger of the earth, possesses the nine tomoe rinnegan, gave Kaguya, Hagoromo and all the characters their powers and took the entire world to stop simply for plot convenience. You have no proof that the juubi did not possess that power, not that that is even relevant to the topic.

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The way you described it made it come off that way lol.



There's no basis for that. Would you like me to say it a forth time? And the word "just" makes you argument that much more subjective.



Well, we all interpret what we see differently and I believe he looks older in the second panel. If you can prove that he isn't, be my guest, though it's not really relevant due to the armor, indicating they fought more than once.



Because, he just looks older to me. He looks almost exactly like Madara in the second panel, and in the first, he looks like a child with his facial proportions different, shorter hair and wearing the ninshuu hierro rather than the genji armor.

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No, I'm saying it actually happened. If you want to say it's symbolic, that's fine, but so far you have nothing to support it and thus, I will not.[/QUOTE]


you're literally pulling "facts" out of your ass

I have basis for all of my points. I explained them to you and you disregarded them.

You have equally no proof to support your argument as I do mine.

I said it was a theory. This theory has little evidence to be proved or disproved.

This is why we then use common logic based on the way Kishi writes and explains things, something you can't seem to grasp.

There were never any two moons in the manga except for that one panel. So what does that say? It's most likely symbolic.

Would it be reasonable that the moon was destroyed and no one ever knew about it? Why does everyone talk about Hagoromo creating the moon but no one ever mentioned it being destroyed?

If the moon was destroyed, it would have occurred after Hagoromo's death which means that it would have been more recent than Hagoromo creating the moon.

So again it is illogical that it would have not been mentioned if the previous event of Hagoromo creating the moon is a tale passed on.


So yeah, there's the reason why your theory is illogical

 

[SkyGodHorus]

you're literally pulling "facts" out of your ass

No, you are, mr. "just symbolic."

I have basis for all of my points.

Did you prove that the moon can't be destroyed even though one was created? No. You simply said no one has the power to do that with no canonical basis and stated it would have to be flat with no scientific basis.

Did you prove that the fight was symbolic and not real? No. You conveniently said it was to rationalize that there is no second moon when you likely missed or forgot that page and are close-minded to anything beyond what you can see. Oh wait, you can see it.

Did you prove that Indra was the same age in both panels? No, instead you stated he wore armor, contradicting the notion that you believe it was only one battle, when it's stated and shown that before Ashura unlocked his potential chakra, he had to fight Indra with an army.

I explained them to you and you disregarded them.

I haven't disregarded shit, jerk.

You have equally no proof to support your argument as I do mine.

I have plenty, though thank you for finally admitting you don't lols.

I said it was a theory. This theory has little evidence to be proved or disproved.

It has no evidence.

This is why we then use common logic based on the way Kishi writes and explains things, something you can't seem to grasp.

Wooo shots fired. Yeah, just because I go by actual text, illustration, folktale and mythological reference as Kishimoto constantly uses, rather than no basis at all, it means I possess no logic or reasoning. But hey, that's okay. At least I don't fool myself into thinking I'm kishimoto and can read his mind like yourself while hypocritically bashing and or whining about any and every twist he does. So tell me Lightbringer, if Kishimoto reveals there were two moons, what would you do? Call it the cliched "asspull?" Lols.

There were never any two moons in the manga except for that one panel. So what does that say? It's most likely symbolic.

Or it could mean one was destroyed.

There was never a second sage either until only a few chapters ago.

@bold, prove it.

Would it be reasonable that the moon was destroyed and no one ever knew about it? Why does everyone talk about Hagoromo creating the moon but no one ever mentioned it being destroyed?

I don't write the manga, I just interpret it. Until Pein's arrival, Hagoromo himself was viewed as a legend rather than an actual person and no one seemed to know of Kaguya or the brother either. The events of eras become lost when their documentations are either lost or not made and the people who witnessed them die off without having children or passing the knowledge to them. The Uchiha tablet is the only documented connection to the Ootsutsuki era and only it's highest doujutsu text tiers speak of it while the tablet was hidden from the world by the Uchiha for an unknown number of generations. Not even Hashirama knew of Kaguya.

If the moon was destroyed, it would have occurred after Hagoromo's death which means that it would have been more recent than Hagoromo creating the moon.

There's no basis for that. The timeframe of Hagoromo's death is undetermined.

So again it is illogical that it would have not been mentioned if the previous event of Hagoromo creating the moon is a tale passed on.

Documents are easily altered. There's no indication his brother was mentioned in the tablet either.

So yeah, there's the reason why your theory is illogical

At least it has a basis.

 

[Lightbringer]

No, you are, mr. "just symbolic."



Did you prove that the moon can't be destroyed even though one was created? No. You simply said no one has the power to do that with no canonical basis and stated it would have to be flat with no scientific basis.

Did you prove that the fight was symbolic and not real? No. You conveniently said it was to rationalize that there is no second moon when you likely missed or forgot that page and are close-minded to anything beyond what you can see. Oh wait, you can see it.

Did you prove that Indra was the same age in both panels? No, instead you stated he wore armor, contradicting the notion that you believe it was only one battle, when it's stated and shown that before Ashura unlocked his potential chakra, he had to fight Indra with an army.



I haven't disregarded shit, jerk.



I have plenty, though thank you for finally admitting you don't lols.

Dear lord, this child

Saying you have plenty of evidence doesn't mean you do. If you did, we wouldn't be arguing and I would have agreed with you.

Welp, this has been a complete waste of my time since this has just turned into a senseless debacle

No point in going further

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Dear lord, this child

Wooo that's original, not to mention classy. Calling me child does not support your standpoint either.

Saying you have plenty of evidence doesn't mean you do. If you did, we wouldn't be arguing and I would have agreed with you.

Please, anyone can say the sky is grey when it's a sunny day with clear skies. And no, you probably wouldn't agree with me even if I had irrefutable proof (as I've shown countless others in debates and been supported by others while still rejcted by the opponent) because you only allow yourself to interpret what you want to interpret rather than being open to possibilities and rationalization.

Welp, this has been a complete waste of my time since this has just turned into a senseless debacle

Cry me a river.

No point in going further

Because you believe you know better or because you can't support yourself?

 

[Magi]

She ate the fruit. That changes everything