A few questions on Izanagi.

[ARogueNinja]

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So having read the manga chapters where Danzo fought Sasuke and used Izanagi, and then where Tobi came to Konan in search of Nagato's Rinnegan and he used Izanagi, I still don't fully understand what exactly Izanagi is, but most likely I am just overthinking it. Anyways,

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Tobi says that the user of Izanagi can take disadvantages like wounds or even death and turn them into nothing more than a dream. So is Izanagi basically just making an illusion that those around see, and the user controls what the illusion is? And if that is so, then how is it that Danzo was able to still make his death an illusion when his right arm was severed and he was cut in two? Sorry, I think I am overthinking this, but I'm just slightly confused.
Also, I understand that Danzo's Izanagi was incomplete(also stated by Tobi), so I guess my real question is that since Danzo had an incomplete form of Izanagi, is that why each time he used an eye during the fight with Sasuke, each only lasted about one minute? So then assuming that Tobi is able to use the complete form of Izanagi, how is it that he was able to use it for so long while Konan blasted him with all billions of paper bombs? And then afterwards, both of his eyes remained open when he talked to Konan and killed her.

So that's really what I was confused about, and if anyone is able to answer these then I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

i believe it´s meant that the user can make his wounds an ilussion, i believe that tobi doesn´t have complete izanagi too, as he has the same "things" as danzo had, i think in order to have complete izanagi, you need all 6 paths of SO6P, danzo had 2 and tobi when he fought konan had "only" 2 too, now he has 3, he needs 3 more to have complete izanagi

 

[aKron]

If anything, izanagi is a genjutsu.

 

[senju tobirama]

no u just need yin-yang release

 

[ShiShiKage]

hard to describe but once hit/ or fraction of a second before hes killed izanagui is activated and he re appears ? or even izangi is always active and once he uses it a sharringan must lose its light so thats why he wasnted 6 im just guessing this is how i see it

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Let me put it this way, izanagi is like turning genjutsu into reality and the price you pay is that you lose your eye (one at a time) will be closed forever. It is forbidden among the uchiha clan & you need senju + uchiha dna.

 

[ShiShiKage]

Let me put it this way, izanagi is like turning genjutsu into reality and the price you pay is that you eye (one at a time) will be closed forever. It is forbidden among the uchiha clan & you need senju + uchiha dna.

agreed :y

 

[senju tobirama]

can u use izanagi with the rennigan? since people say rennigan is uchiha + senju

 

[ShiShiKage]

can u use izanagi with the rennigan? since people say rennigan is uchiha + senju

correct me if im wrong but i do believe that that tech is derrived from shisui(itachi's) friend and only found with him in the sharingan
and im gonna say no just becaus the 2 eye tech branch appart

 

[ARogueNinja]

Let me put it this way, izanagi is like turning genjutsu into reality and the price you pay is that you lose your eye (one at a time) will be closed forever. It is forbidden among the uchiha clan & you need senju + uchiha dna.

Ah alright I think you are spot on in saying it's like turning genjutsu into reality. That makes a lot more sense, and thanks everyone else for explaining as well!

 

[ARogueNinja]

correct me if im wrong but i do believe that that tech is derrived from shisui(itachi's) friend and only found with him in the sharingan
and im gonna say no just becaus the 2 eye tech branch appart

Sorry for the double post, but Tobi said that Izanagi was first used by the sage of the six paths, and he used it in order to create things.

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[ShiShiKage]

Sorry for the double post, but Tobi said that Izanagi was first used by the sage of the six paths, and he used it in order to create things.

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oo ok gotcha thnk you

 

[NaruGoku]

ok, so here's what's up with Izanagi. the true Izanagi can turn imagination into reality, in it's true form the user has the ability to "create" real things. for example, Rikudo-Sennin "created" the tailed beasts. That's the full scope of it. Danzo, with his incomplete form, only had the power to cast genjutsu on himself. in other words, as long as the jutsu was active--about a minute at a time--he could take anything physical, like his death, and make it a dream. however, he could not "imagine" something and make it real. when Madara says it makes his death a dream and makes his attacks real, the thing is that Danzo's attacks were "real" in the first place. they weren't dreams that he made physically real, they were real attacks. So all Danzo could do was make his death appear to be real but it wasn't. a full Izanagi can completely bring anything that's not real and make it real, so Danzo's is just a one-way ability. Put another way, if he could use the complete Izanagi, he could conjour anything from his mind and make it real, and well as turn anything that's already real into a dream. in the incomplete form, he was only able to do the latter. as far as getting his arm cut off, the jutsu was already in effect. once it's in effect, he has 60 seconds to use it. the arm got cut off within that 60 seconds so the technique was already going so technically his arm getting cut off was a dream to begin with.
As far as having a 60 second limit, the fact is that Danzo didn't have an ounce of Uchiha or Senju blood in him. he only had an eye that he controlled and had Senju DNA injected into him, so these 2 things together allowed him to use it, but he couldn't possibly use it to it's fullest potential when he had neither Uchiha nor Senju blood. and we don't know how long Madara used it against Konan, or exactly what he did. we know he used it but we don't know how he used it. and, Madara DID lose his eye, it was his left eye, it closed, read chapter 510, you will see on page 10 that his left eye closes.

Short overview: a complete Izanagi allows the user to both turn reality into a genjutsu and turn a genjustu/dream/imagination into reality--like imagining a monster and then giving it physical form. Danzo's incomplete Izanagi--incomplete cuz he has neither Uchiha nor Senju blood, only their implanted eye/DNA--only allowed him to turn reality into genjutsu. When Sasuke cut off Danzo's arm, Izanagi was already in effect so it became a dream, and Madara did go blind in his left eye. That's what i have, i hope it helps and hopefully it's not too far off the mark. i can't guarantee this is all 100% completely accurate, but it's pretty damn close and it should answer some questions.

 

[blackbird31468]

ok, so here's what's up with Izanagi. the true Izanagi can turn imagination into reality, in it's true form the user has the ability to "create" real things. for example, Rikudo-Sennin "created" the tailed beasts. That's the full scope of it. Danzo, with his incomplete form, only had the power to cast genjutsu on himself. in other words, as long as the jutsu was active--about a minute at a time--he could take anything physical, like his death, and make it a dream. however, he could not "imagine" something and make it real. when Madara says it makes his death a dream and makes his attacks real, the thing is that Danzo's attacks were "real" in the first place. they weren't dreams that he made physically real, they were real attacks. So all Danzo could do was make his death appear to be real but it wasn't. a full Izanagi can completely bring anything that's not real and make it real, so Danzo's is just a one-way ability. Put another way, if he could use the complete Izanagi, he could conjour anything from his mind and make it real, and well as turn anything that's already real into a dream. in the incomplete form, he was only able to do the latter. as far as getting his arm cut off, the jutsu was already in effect. once it's in effect, he has 60 seconds to use it. the arm got cut off within that 60 seconds so the technique was already going so technically his arm getting cut off was a dream to begin with.
As far as having a 60 second limit, the fact is that Danzo didn't have an ounce of Uchiha or Senju blood in him. he only had an eye that he controlled and had Senju DNA injected into him, so these 2 things together allowed him to use it, but he couldn't possibly use it to it's fullest potential when he had neither Uchiha nor Senju blood. and we don't know how long Madara used it against Konan, or exactly what he did. we know he used it but we don't know how he used it. and, Madara DID lose his eye, it was his left eye, it closed, read chapter 510, you will see on page 10 that his left eye closes.

Short overview: a complete Izanagi allows the user to both turn reality into a genjutsu and turn a genjustu/dream/imagination into reality--like imagining a monster and then giving it physical form. Danzo's incomplete Izanagi--incomplete cuz he has neither Uchiha nor Senju blood, only their implanted eye/DNA--only allowed him to turn reality into genjutsu. When Sasuke cut off Danzo's arm, Izanagi was already in effect so it became a dream, and Madara did go blind in his left eye. That's what i have, i hope it helps and hopefully it's not too far off the mark. i can't guarantee this is all 100% completely accurate, but it's pretty damn close and it should answer some questions.

all i can say about your post is wowO.O

 

[ARogueNinja]

ok, so here's what's up with Izanagi. the true Izanagi can turn imagination into reality, in it's true form the user has the ability to "create" real things. for example, Rikudo-Sennin "created" the tailed beasts. That's the full scope of it. Danzo, with his incomplete form, only had the power to cast genjutsu on himself. in other words, as long as the jutsu was active--about a minute at a time--he could take anything physical, like his death, and make it a dream. however, he could not "imagine" something and make it real. when Madara says it makes his death a dream and makes his attacks real, the thing is that Danzo's attacks were "real" in the first place. they weren't dreams that he made physically real, they were real attacks. So all Danzo could do was make his death appear to be real but it wasn't. a full Izanagi can completely bring anything that's not real and make it real, so Danzo's is just a one-way ability. Put another way, if he could use the complete Izanagi, he could conjour anything from his mind and make it real, and well as turn anything that's already real into a dream. in the incomplete form, he was only able to do the latter. as far as getting his arm cut off, the jutsu was already in effect. once it's in effect, he has 60 seconds to use it. the arm got cut off within that 60 seconds so the technique was already going so technically his arm getting cut off was a dream to begin with.
As far as having a 60 second limit, the fact is that Danzo didn't have an ounce of Uchiha or Senju blood in him. he only had an eye that he controlled and had Senju DNA injected into him, so these 2 things together allowed him to use it, but he couldn't possibly use it to it's fullest potential when he had neither Uchiha nor Senju blood. and we don't know how long Madara used it against Konan, or exactly what he did. we know he used it but we don't know how he used it. and, Madara DID lose his eye, it was his left eye, it closed, read chapter 510, you will see on page 10 that his left eye closes.

Short overview: a complete Izanagi allows the user to both turn reality into a genjutsu and turn a genjustu/dream/imagination into reality--like imagining a monster and then giving it physical form. Danzo's incomplete Izanagi--incomplete cuz he has neither Uchiha nor Senju blood, only their implanted eye/DNA--only allowed him to turn reality into genjutsu. When Sasuke cut off Danzo's arm, Izanagi was already in effect so it became a dream, and Madara did go blind in his left eye. That's what i have, i hope it helps and hopefully it's not too far off the mark. i can't guarantee this is all 100% completely accurate, but it's pretty damn close and it should answer some questions.

It definitely did help, thanks! And I reread 510, i see that the left side of his face was darkened afterwards, I just didn't realize that was him losing the eye. Also I understand the complete Izanagi versus the incomplete and the reasoning behind Danzo's, so thanks again for clearing that all up.

 

[SasukeMangekyo5]

Izanagi is a genjutsu/illusion which allows the user to have a complete control on his existence, when the person dies or has major wound/s and the technique was activated before he died or took the wounds, he can "turn back the time" and his body will be as it was when the technique was activated.