3T Madara versus Base / KCM Minato

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Conditions

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Conditions of the Battle

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Scenario 1:

Both are fresh, fully rested, Madara can use all feats Edo Madara has except for his EMS / MS / Rinnegan feats. He still has his Mokuton. Minato is in his base form.
Intel: Manga
Location: Madara versus Gokage
Distance: 35m
Restrctions: Madara's MS, EMS and Rinnegan. Minato's Kurama.

Scenario 2:

Both are fresh, fully rested, Madara can use all feats Edo Madara has except for his EMS / MS / Rinnegan feats. He still has his Mokuton. Minato is in his KCM form.
Intel: Manga
Location: Gaara & Lee vs Kimmimaro
Distance: The distance between Lee and Kimmimaro in THIS scan
Restrctions: Madara's MS, EMS and Rinnegan. Minato's BM.


Also Madara does not have the Kyuubi as his summoning.

Madara versus Minato Battle Music:

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My Opinion:

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Madara wins both scenario.

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[KidGamer65]

Flower Tree World puts Minato to sleep in both scenarios, then he is promptly finished off.

 

[Shura]

Flower Tree World puts Minato to sleep in both scenarios, then he is promptly finished off.

I agree, but I'm expecting the Minato fans to try and counter it. Lol

 

[Bogard]

The flower tree world doesn't just pop up like this. There is a start of the technique that you can notice here [

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The range of the technique is not that far greater than a humain in terms of height [

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] On the picture you can even notice it wasn't even on the level of Madara's PS feet who was walking and crushing them like small ants

The scale of the technique however is comparable to that of meteorites(greater actually but not by much) [

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Perfect Susanoo which is by a decent gap greater than the meteorites [

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Minato on the other hand was capable to mark a territory around something as huge as the second form of Juubi

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Said second form of Juubi which is actually even greater than the Shinsuusenju statue in terms of size(discouting the tails or hands), Shinsuusenju itself that puts even Perfect Susanoo to shame [

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The conclusion of this is that means the kunais spreading range of Minato exceeds by far that of the flower tree world, and because of this, Minato could quickly avoid it at any given time, especially when you know that throwing kunais is actually one of the fastest movements in this manga. It takes no time at all on the contrary of ninjutsu like flower tree world for example that not only requires handseals to be used [

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On the other side, like i've said spreading kunais is one of the fastest move in this manga since it requires no prep time. How Madara avoids FTG level2 is questionable especially in this scenario where he has no protection(no Susanoo) against an instant teleportation technique

If talking about KCM, it would even be harder because of the use of long range chakra arms. In coordination with marked kunais, it would be even harder for Madara to avoid

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That said, i'd say Madara wins since it's the only answer you are waiting for with this thread

 

[Strict]

I agree, but I'm expecting the Minato fans to try and counter it. Lol

Bogard is here, wait until he posts his usual sequence of scans..

 

[Bogard]

Strict is here. Wait until he rides my d*** instead of posting contributive posts. Oh wait he already did

 

[Strict]

Your dick is too small to be ridden.

 

[Shura]

@Bogard. This all nice and stuff, however, how exactly will Minato even survive the Tree Wold itself. [

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] Are you expecting Minato to use the Space Time Barrier in order to counter it? Because I doubt that would be possible due to the fact that Tree World has a quite wide range. [

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] Sure, he can teleport a few branches, but the other branches will get to him. Furthermore this can also be used to destroy or simply push away Minato's Hiraishin marked kunai. Let's not forget how Madara can simply use his Katon as well in order to melt the kunai. [

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And of course, there are also Madara's Mokuton Bunshin. [

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] There are 25 Bunshin there which Madara can use to cover more ground and each of these bunshin have shown the ability to use Madara's techniques such as the Susano'o. [

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] These Bunshins wouldn't have trouble melting or destroying all of Minato's marked places over the battlefield due to the fact that the Sharingan can see the Hiraishin marks since they are made out of Chakra. I doubt that the ''Minato can escape Flower Tree World by spreading the kunai around it'' tactic will work against Madara. He has no reason to leave those kunai there and all he has to do is simply create a new Flower Tree World to cover even more ground. And of course not to forget that there is the Mokuton Dragon as well. [

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Bogard is here, wait until he posts his usual sequence of scans..

Yeah, I expected him. It's not like he'll admit that Minato loses to anyone any time soon.

 

[Bogard]

I already said Madara wins. Why are you still arguing? It's not as if even if i were to counter your arguments, you'd agree with them anyway

 

[Shura]

I already said Madara wins. Why are you still arguing? It's not as if even if i were to counter your arguments, you'd agree with them anyway

I misunderstood. I believed that you stated Madara wins just because ''I wanted to hear that''. Alright then.

 

[Minator93]

Lel Madara with Mokuton? A cheap version of Hashirama Lol

Base Minato can win bu I'm too lazy for an argument so I'll say Base Minato uses RDS and Both die U_U

KCM Minato Handily takes this U_U

 

[End of Days]

The flower tree world doesn't just pop up like this. There is a start of the technique that you can notice here [

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I will add that he can summon gamabunta which can jump great heights, even higher than the juubi [

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],going up in the air and then throwing the kunais will increase their and it will be it easier for him

The kages canonically avoided the pollen by going up in the air [

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] and simply not breathing the pollen [

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], its not like the pollen is invisible like some people fantasize

its only when you are stuck in the middle of the forest it becomes difficult to avoid it, plus the fact madara used a katon technique consumed up the oxygen in the immediate surrounding of the kages and they were forced to inhale more air [

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The range of the technique is not that far greater than a humain in terms of height [

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] On the picture you can even notice it wasn't even on the level of Madara's PS feet who was walking and crushing them like small ants

The scale of the technique however is comparable to that of meteorites(greater actually but not by much) [

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]

Perfect Susanoo which is by a decent gap greater than the meteorites [

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]

Minato on the other hand was capable to mark a territory around something as huge as the second form of Juubi

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Said second form of Juubi which is actually even greater than the Shinsuusenju statue in terms of size(discouting the tails or hands), Shinsuusenju itself that puts even Perfect Susanoo to shame [

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]

The conclusion of this is that means the kunais spreading range of Minato exceeds by far that of the flower tree world, and because of this, Minato could quickly avoid it at any given time, especially when you know that throwing kunais is actually one of the fastest movements in this manga. It takes no time at all on the contrary of ninjutsu like flower tree world for example that not only requires handseals to be used [

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], but take a certain time to actually spread/bloom [

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] and affect the target [

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], but not completely [

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[pateuvasiliu]

Flower Tree World puts Minato to sleep in both scenarios, then he is promptly finished off.

Distance: 35m

I'd say that's blitzing range.

 

[Shura]

I will add that he can summon gamabunta which can jump great heights, even higher than the juubi [

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],going up in the air and then throwing the kunais will increase their and it will be it easier for him

The kages canonically avoided the pollen by going up in the air [

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] and simply not breathing the pollen [

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], its not like the pollen is invisible like some people fantasize

its only when you are stuck in the middle of the forest it becomes difficult to avoid it, plus the fact madara used a katon technique consumed up the oxygen in the immediate surrounding of the kages and they were forced to inhale more air [

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Summon Gamabunta and give Madara a free summoning to his side? Genjutsu makes Gamabunta Madara's new pet.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'd say that's blitzing range.

Minato blitzing Madara, who has his Sharingan active? From 35 meters? Yeah, no. Not happening in a million years.

 

[Strict]

I'd say that's blitzing range.

If Madara was already marked, yes. If Madara will remain standing at his place without an action while Minato trops a Kunai at him, yes.

Summon Gamabunta and give Madara a free summoning to his side? Genjutsu makes Gamabunta Madara's new pet.

And as if he will have the time to summon Gamabunta and use him to jump over the trees.

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Look at how close the tendrils are already in the beginning. Look at the left panel where Oonoki barely managed to get out of range with A, and also the range the tendrils have to Gaara. Madara knows about Hiraishin, so as soon as Minato teleported himself once to a Kunai, he will do the math. He can let grow trees and tendrils from everywhere and thus bury the Kunai as well. He will also have problems in avoiding the pollen. The Gokage was fortunately out of range in the air, Minato will have bigger problems until he can fly.

The distance of 35 meters is traveled in a small period by the trees, considering the amounts which are created. Also, trees can be grown from everywhere and not only from Madara's center.

 

[Shura]

If Madara was already marked, yes. If Madara will remain standing at his place without an action while Minato trops a Kunai at him, yes.


And as if he will have the time to summon Gamabunta and use him to jump over the trees.

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Look at how close the tendrils are already in the beginning. Look at the left panel where Oonoki barely managed to get out of range with A, and also the range the tendrils have to Gaara. Madara knows about Hiraishin, so as soon as Minato teleported himself once to a Kunai, he will do the math. He can let grow trees and tendrils from everywhere and thus bury the Kunai as well. He will also have problems in avoiding the pollen. The Gokage was fortunately out of range in the air, Minato will have bigger problems until he can fly.

The distance of 35 meters is traveled in a small period by the trees, considering the amounts which are created. Also, trees can be grown from everywhere and not only from Madara's center.

That's a fair point indeed. The fact that Madara can also make 25 Mokuton Bunshin and that Minato won't know which is the real Madara makes this even more difficult for him. Not to mention that the Mokuton Bunshin can use Madara's techniques.

 

[Strict]

That's a fair point indeed. The fact that Madara can also make 25 Mokuton Bunshin and that Minato won't know which is the real Madara makes this even more difficult for him. Not to mention that the Mokuton Bunshin can use Madara's techniques.

And he and his Mokuton Bunshin can use the Mayfly technique. Let Madara sacrifice a clone to fool Minato and shot out a sword of Susanoo out of the ground or wherever he's standing at and catch Minato off guard.

Before someone will say Minato is a sensor and can sense him from underground: no, he can't. The sensor feats he showed are comparable to a usual, experienced sensor. And what did we learn from sensors?

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While tracking another person, the sensor isn't able to fight - he is concentrated on sensing. Minato also used his fingers to track opponent outside of the battle.​

This fact is furthered by Jiraiya's statement, who says, that even if one is a sensor, he won't be able to dodge effectively without seeing the attack.

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The misbelief that Minato could sense even something like the usage of Amaterasu, merely occurred because some people compared the sensing power of Juubi's Jinchuriki, to whom human standards do not even apply, with the rest, such as Minato.

Of course, there was also Muu, who managed to dodge Naruto's attack while forming Jinton, but this fact already puts him above other sensors. Also the fact, that he sensed the alliance from miles away while even sensing that they were from different nations based on their specific Chakra. Minato didn't show nearly these feats, he merely tracked some victims by laying his finger on the ground. So the standards of Shee rather apply to Minato.

gg for Minato in this case. Tsunade also fell for it.

 

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Summon Gamabunta and give Madara a free summoning to his side? Genjutsu makes Gamabunta Madara's new pet.

Gamabunta is for the purpose of avoiding the flower tree world

Minato summons toads for specific purposes, hold down the kyuubi, giving the key to hakke fuin after which they go back
And during the time they remain by his side they will be taken out of genjutsu by minato

And as if he will have the time to summon Gamabunta and use him to jump over the trees.

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Summoning jutsus are instant, Hiraishin is based on summoning

Madara knows about Hiraishin

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so as soon as Minato teleported himself once to a Kunai, he will do the math.

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fortunately or unfortunately knowledge of techniques do not often decide the match because someone comes up with something unexpected

if madara knows about hiraishin (tobirama's shitty version) then minato knows about sharingan and mokuton just as he knows about tobirama's space-time

He can let grow trees and tendrils from everywhere and thus bury the Kunai as well.

kunais will get stuck in the trees [

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also is the argument that madara will just keep on trying to bury the kunais again and again without trying to defend himself in case minato decides to go on the offensive
the kunais can be spread over a wide area and can be used to surround the opponent (the juubi) what happens when minato sends a clone to a kunai behind madara and the clone in turn sends a kunai to madara's back

rather hard to keep track of 30-60 kunais

The misbelief that Minato could sense even something like the usage of Amaterasu, merely occurred because some people compared the sensing power of Juubi's Jinchuriki, to whom human standards do not even apply, with the rest, such as Minato

Nagato also sensed the amaterasu before it happened and he doesn't happen to a juubi jinchuriki

Minato didn't show nearly these feats, he merely tracked some victims by laying his finger on the ground

and what about recognizing naruto and the kyuubi's chakra from konoha

or recognizing obito's chakra as the same from the attack on konoha

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[pateuvasiliu]

Minato blitzing Madara, who has his Sharingan active? From 35 meters? Yeah, no. Not happening in a million years.

If Ay can blitz Sasuke, I can't see why Minato, whom is faster than KCM Naruto whom is faster than Ay, can't.