3rd Raikage Will Wipe Half Of The LEAF(inclusdes TSUNADE)

[Missing Uchiha]

So i guess because pain destroyed all of it

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

You took what I said out of context for the most part. I said figuring out how to defeat the Raikage is simple, not that it would be easy. As I've said before, making somebody hurt themselves is something taught in most martial practices. In this case this it is on a higher level but the concept is still the same. It's easy to figure out what you have to do (i.e get him to hurt himself because everything you've tried doesn't work). I'm in no way saying it would be easy for Konoha to acomplish this goal but it's easy enough to figure out what you need done, get him to hurt himself.

You're example with Muu wasn't a very good example either, it appeared as if Tsunade and A had information about Muu. Although she didn't say it out front she did say "The second Tsuchikage is no ordinary shinobi...the old fenc-sitter's the only one who could stop him" Since the whole camoflauge mastery had already been established what else could she be talking about. It was finally A who actually talked about the Bloodline Expansion. So Oonoki wasn't even the one to tell them about it, it was two shinobi from another village, take note of that.

Also about the whole thing, remember that Naruto's clone was fighting the Raikage, not Naruto himself he's more then enough to handle or at least distract the Raikage while a plan is formulated. During Pain's attack the Anbu were deciphering all the infromation they had recieved about Pain while Naruto was fighting. I will say it again and I will continue to say it. Deciphering what is needed to defeat defeat the Raikage is easy, going about it isn't but it is capable, as we've seen.

Speculation on the grounds of no indication is not good, you can speculate if you have valid reason to. What reasons have been given that the Raikage can use any sort of physical clone?--

What reasons have been given that Shikamaru and Shukaku are capable of figuring out the weakness of the raikage?--Shikamaru has an IQ of over 200 as stated by Asuma, he's a strategist and he's put his mind to the test occasions such as the Hidan and Kakuzu incident. Shukaku still manages to defeat his son in shogi, which is a game of stratigics and Shikamaru and Shukaku's basis for their strategy planning (as seen when shikamaru planned how to defeat Hidan). Shukaku is leader of the jounin in Konoha and the head strategist at Tsunade's side and his demonstrating his stratigical abilities on the field. Shikamaru is the proxy general for Gaara's division...Do you see. That gives us valid reason as to why people may believe that, at least those two, are capable of figuring out the Raikage's weakness, because they specialize in that category.

Summery:

~Figuring out what is needed to defeat the Raikage is easy, acomplishing isn't
~No indication or probably cause says the Raikage has a clone jutsu
~Muu's abilities were explained by Tsunade and A, not Oonoki so he wasn't needed for that. That being said Shukaku could've come up with a strategy with the aid of Tsunade, and Tsunade is in Konoha to help so that would throw out that example.

Again, coming up with the concept of getting someone to hurt themselves is and knowing how to get them to hurt his or herself is completely different.Let say this, if Kabuto didn't activate the Hell Stab jutsu, what way would naruto have gotten the third raikage to hurt himself?


As for naruto's clone, the raikage would have destroy naruto's clone along with all the shinobi he killed if Dodai didn't save it.You have to think that when Kabuto sent the third raikage on a rampage, none of the shinobi including naruto thought to get out of the way.One of naruto's clone wouldn't have distract the raikage for long if the battle in Konoha went anything like the one in the desert.Not to mention, the control raikage wasn't utilizing his speed at all during the beginning of that fight or any of his other jutsus.None of that would be the case with the real raikage, operating of his own free will.Also, how much damage did Pain/Nagato did to the Konoha while they were deciphering that information?

As for my Muu example, Tsunade and A knowing about it doesn't mean much.I never said anything about them not knowing, my point was how would they come up with a counter for it other than send in Onoki.Your Tsunade quote doesn't hurt my argument at all, in reality, it helps it.Tsunade didn't think anyone could take on Muu but someone with the same ability, thus throwing cold water on the idea that someone with a high IQ like Shukaku could have came up with a strategy to beat Muu on his own.Also, we don't know how much information Tsunade has on Muu and how many shinobi would have died while they came up with that strategy.Is it possible Tsunade could have help Shukaku come up with a strategy,yes.But by her own words, the possibility of that strategy being a winning one is slim at best.Back to my others point, making someone hurt his or herself isn't possible in many cases.Saying this person has an IQ of 200 and he'll figure it out is just speculation without basis.We have seen how Dust Release works.So what possible way can you get Muu to hurt himself with that technique?




As for your reasoning of why Shikamaru and Shukaku's can figure out the raikage weakness.Your list simply flawed.Shikamaru having a high IQ is meaningless because as I clearly show in my last post, he couldn't think up a strategy during that battle to win against Hidan and Kakuza the first time they fought.And when they left that battle, Shikimaru didn't have any information on Kakuza.Shukaku beating Shikimaru in shogi and being Tsunade head strategist is also meaningless unless you can show me were Shukaku came up with a way to get a kage to hurt himself with his own technique.




Summery:
~Figuring out what is needed to defeat a kage isn't easy.Simply saying you could get them to hurt themselves base on intelligence alone without showing the capability to put such a plan in motion isn't thinking logical.
~the The Third Raikage might not have a clone.
~Muu ability wasn't explain by Tsunade or A.They knew of the ability, which isn't the same as explaining it.That being said, it's possible that Tsunade and Shukaku could come up with a strategy but anyone can think up a strategy, but a winning strategy is something totally different.Thus leaving that example intake.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Everybody can hurt themselves, if nothing you do work to harm your opponent or you're not strong enough, the common sense thing to do is to get them to hurt themselves. Really, it's simple concept and it's taught in most, if not all martial practices. It really is simple to figure out, not easy to acomplish but very simple to figure out. Naruto needed the info from the Hachibi to figure out how it happened, but even then it was still vauge. The Hachibi didn't remember how exactly he hurt the Raikage, Naruto filled in that blank.

Now even without that info shinobi with IQ's above 200 or in the genius range (Shikaku, Shikamaru, Shino, etc...) shouldn't have a hard time noticing or figuring it out, again it's simple concept.

It doesn't matter what a village has, it matters what a shinobi has. We can't assume that the Raikage has clones just because every village has it's own elemental clone. We've seen Kakashi use Shadow, water, and lightning clones. We've never seen a fire clone though. Saying that the Raikage is going to make clones to make it harder for the village is nothing but speculation. From what we've seen there has been no indication at all that he uses or knows the clone technique.

OK, let us IMAGINE that figuring out the secrete without dodai and the hachibi is as simple as you make it sound,and let me ask you this, so what if they figure it out?

Do you honestly think they would be able to make the raikage hurt himself?

It would do you well to remember that it was NOT the raikage that Naruto defeated but it was KABUTO, KABUTO was the one in CONTROL of the raikage and kabuto didn't know shit about the history of the raikage, in fact, naruto only contacted the hachibi because of the info that dodai told him, dodai was the one that told him that the raikage got his scar against the hachibi and ONLY THEN, after DODAI's INFO did naruto contact the hachibi. People seem to think that the hachibi's story was the only clue to this mystery when Dodai and even BEE were key figures that helped the discovery, Naruto would never have known to contact the hachibi wothout dodai's info because he would have no idea where he got the injury, naruto would have never known to use the rasengan if killer BEE had not told him about the SIMILARITIES between BIJUU DAMA and RASENGAN during their training, there was too much plot no jutsu in favor of naruto that helped him in that battle and he needed information from THREE people/bijuu to figure it out, I don't care how smart you think kakashi and the nara clan are, but no one can figure all that out without the info that those three individuals possessed.

But like I said above, let us IMAGINE that they did figure it out, and figured out that the rsengan would be able to make him hurt himself with a rasengan to the arm.

Do you honestly think that the raikage would fall for such an OBVIOUS trick?

The only reason he fell for it against naruto was because it wasn't him that was fighting, it was his body and abilities but not him, it was Kabuto and kabuto didn't know shit about the raikage's history.

Dodai told Naruto that the raikage was DEPRESSED for YEARS because of that injury and REFUSED to speak out, HE DIDNT EVEN TELL HIS OWN SON about how he got, that's HOW PARANOID he was about the way he got injured, Dodai said that it was his GREATEST SHAME.

Do you honestly believe that someone paranoid enough about injuring himself that he didn't even tell his own son about it would allow a repeat of the incident? Let's face it, given the raikage's personality file and paranoia levels, there is no way that Naruto' plan would have worked, the raikage is paranoid enough to notice the INSTANT that someone targets his arm to make him injure himself, this plan can't work against this guy, not a after what happened against the hachibi.

Some people said that the nara could hold him down and make him hurt himself, rediculous, the man is to strong to be held down by shadows, even the hachibi was flabbergasted by the sheer level of brute force the guy possesed, besides how would they catch him with those shadows in the first place? Sure the shadows are fast, but no where near the speed of the raikage, the raikage would just blitz those physically underdeveloped brainiacs and kill them all, or just mass black lightning their asses (Ok I admit I haven't even seen what black lightning is but it must be super cool and way better than normal lightning right? Otherwise, well, what woyld be the point of it if it was just the same as normal lightning?)

And let us face it people, Guy's seven gate afternoon tiger won't even phase the raikage, it couldn't even kill a samehadaless kisame and the guy was dtill able to fight and use water prison and summon a shark to escape with the info and some more sharks to kill himself with while trapping all of them in water prisons, this was after taking a DIRECT HIT from GUY's 7 GATE AFTERNOON TIGER, for kisame to do all of this after taking a direct hit from guy simply means that the raikage won't even be slowed down by a seven gate guy, no offense to Kisame, he is incredible strong and durable but compared to the thirs raikage and his lightning armour, think about it, Guy will get destroyed in one move with the hell stab, he doesn't even slow the guy down.

Damn I think I'm starting to sound like a fanboy.

Anyway it is highly possible that the third could wipe out the whole village of konoha, I think that even Hiruzen feared him, otherwise why did he allow Kumo to just walk all over them with the Neji's dad / huga incident just to keep peace, I mean Kumo could have just as easily seen that as a weakness and attacked anyway and Neji's dad would have died for nothing.

But yeah it is also possible that he would lose, but konoha would be weakened enough to drop out of the top 5 or at least be one of the lower ranked of the top 5 after the raikage attacks.

Konoha could win, I mean, you don't actually have to kill him, they can try to seal him or trap him in a powerfull barrier or something, I say Konoha wins if they have prep time to prepare for his attack, if it is a surprise attack than I dunno, they might still win but they will drop out as the top shinobi village in the elemental nations after this attack, the raikage won't ressurect the casualities like pain did, so yeah.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Can't Kakashi just Kamui his head or Kurenai put him under genjutsu long enough to be sealed or trapped in a barrier till they can seal(eg the four violet barrier used to hold Dan) or held by shadow tech of The entire Nara clan for him to be sealed or drained of Chakra by the entire Aburame clan or taken control of by someone in the Yamanaka clan till they can seal him or face Naruto(yes, he's a Konoha shinobi) and get hit by two Rasenshuriken, the first to make him deactivate the armor like when Naruto hit him in the war and then the second to shred him. There are too many options. He won't last long if he takes on Konoha alone.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Shika ino choji can handle this

shika shadow manipluates
Ino mind posession
Ino makes him finger stab his head off T.T

Any yamanaka can do it

Thank You, it will really be that simple.

 

[H1dd3nD3m0n]

I doubt konaha has up to 30,000 shinonbi or more raikage took on 10,000 shinobi and fought till his chakra was gone this ethat his has enourmous chakra or strength

1.He took on hachibi in a fight when he got loose and survived minato did not he was killed

2.For earth users That finger tech will handle them

3.he can make clones which will obviously be strong

4.He has a speed if not greater or the same pace of uzamaki he dodge rasen shiruken

5.Will slam dunk tsunade

agree