3 on 3: KG, Haizaki and Zexion~ vs. Forbidden Technique, Beans2, and Icelerate
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While I will agree that Sakura can gives others chakra boost its pretty clear that its not reducing the prep time of Jinton if at all really. Gathering chakra is what goes on internally before a jutsu is cast, the chakra Sakura gives still needs to be kneaded into dust release (three element KKG) as well as changing its shape here, him not having the cube in that instance is pointless as in that exact scan even with Tsunade there is still clearly build up
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"More Princess" as in he was taking chakra from Tsunade for a whole scan before it could even be used, the cube not being present in the one panel means nothing as the fact that the light is seen by the Susano'o clones before it hits them means something was being formed before it launched. So no, Jinton is still requiring prep time here, as shown in the very scan you posted without fully reading. Neither of those techniques are useful here. Not when we have Jiraiya who was able to weave hand-seals before Kisame cold even finish a swing of his Samehada
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Not being effective on destroyed terrain is completely false and baseless, the technique converts earth into swamp it being fragmented doesn't change anything as the earth is still there so there is still a medium for the swamp. As for the earth core, why would Jiraiya being lowered stop it from being cast? He's already used it in the air, no reason he can't use it below ground either
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. He doesn't need sight of the area for the jutsu to work.Using mobile core means nothing here as that plot of earth can still be affected by Yomi, sure waste chakra on blocking debris, I encourage it.
How far down do you think this is going to take us? All three of the combatants on our team have incredible speed especially Sasuke, he was able to traverse meters vertical in an instant with only one of his CM wings intact
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. He managed to get quite a bit higher than the tree's which were decent sized
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and with two wings he should be able to get even higher, even quicker. Evident when he avoided a near instantaneous mine by flying upwards, a mine with quite a large AoE
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. Once he pops out of the hole in the ground (don't forget we've shown that even super jinton still needs prep time) he can fire his long range Katons
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which would force Ohnoki to stop preparing Jinton as well as start heating up the atmosphere, and the reast of my teammates would be out immediately after that.We also have summons that can dig through the earth pretty simple (as Haizaki scanned) so we still have plenty of mobility under the ground as they can simply remain in the summons nostrils/mouth
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. If he for some reason does go airborne away from his teammates immediately than no he can't just pull them out of the swamp, why do I care when he did to Aoba as he wasn't in Yomi Nura which be as deep as the snake when fully used
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(Drug affected its size).Lightening this teammates does nothing, the swamp itself exerts a pulling force to sink the opponent lightening them won't do anything if its not just gravity that is causing them to sink.
Again the swamp is already boss summon deep, if she summons it below her she's summoning it below her in the swamp as in she'd be fully submerged in the swamp beneath.
All those reasonings are extremely shaky at best, so they would still be trapped within the mud, and again I've showed feats of Sasuke traversing vertical distances within CM2 that would get him out of the wall easily, and with the prolonged process your team escaping the mud would take my team would easily be out of the earth and already on their way to your team. Even besides Sasuke we have boss toads who can clear the vertical distance in seconds
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(along with the feats Haizaki showed)Sasuke can to an extent aim his katon as Zetsu states
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. Doesn't need to be guided as its large AoE and accuracy would force Ohnoki to avoid Jinton anyways. Also if Ohnoki is going to constantly have a rock clone in battle its questionable if he would have enough chakra to utilize Jinton unless there are feats of him doing so. By this time everyone would be out of the lowered earth from before and already be heading towards your group as well as boss summons once Sasuke gets there he has the ability to not only interupt Jinton but pose a threat to Ohnoki himself (don't forget he has boss summons to get even more added vertical height) one of these quick jutsu that could force Ohnoki out of Jinton is Chidori Senbon
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requires no time at all. The senbon is stated to even have faster speeds than most chidori variants and Sasuke can increase the amount of senbon by using more chakra even, not to mention his aim with them is perfect due to the 3T. All of this explained in the DB as well.
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If all else fails (which it most likely won't) Jiraiya who would have most likely already summoned boss summons here uses Oil flame bomb (or he can have Sasuke use it in conjunction with the toad) and neither your featless clones nor Ohonoki charging jinton will be able to avoid it.
The perfect thing here is that your other teammates can do absolutely nothing here, if Ohnoki takes to the air and my team is sending jutsu from all angles. Even if Ohnoki gives flight both would be near useless to help Ohnoki, as Kitsuchi's doton both need the ground to be utilized and Sakura's strength won't be touching anything in the air. So its basically a massacre of jutsu, boss summons and whatever else my team can throw at you.
Except lowering Ohnoki to where he can't see whats going on around him is near suicide when again Sasuke has summons that can rip through the ground pretty simply, and he has the added bonus of knowing if Ohnoki is lowered thanks to the sharingan
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with a combination of snakes and boss toads we could have Ohnoki in a perfect confinement and being attacked from below and above
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. Manda can also sense body heat as Haizaki stated so while my team would have the full advantage of knowing where you are, Ohnoki would be useless.If he uses an earth wall again Ohnoki will have no idea what is going on while he's prepping Jinton, which gives my team the perfect opportunity to once again blitz him (Sasuke especially with chidori spear) and there is nothing your incredibly slow team can do about it, if he lowers Ohnoki than what I aforementioned happens. Also before you say it if you're going to continue to spam the mobile core jutsu, Sasuke's Precog will easily be picking it up and allowing him to avoid it should you ever use it to try and halt Sasuke's advances.
Interrupting Jinton most certainly is happening and you'll be lucky if that is all that happens at this point.
Keep in mind that if Ohnoki doesn't remain attached to the person he's lightening than their strength is significantly weaker and they remain this way until he is able to touch them again, so much so in fact Kabuto was confident he could tank the Raikage's punch even with the lightening shroud
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Sakura's strength would sure be affected. Even lightening these two doesn't even put them near on par with my teams speed so its only a negative for you tbh.Well seeing as how its the only defense Ohnoki himself has and he's the only one useful in the air you've pushed yourself into quite a corner here.
He can take one out if he gets the time to prep Jinton which he most certainly won't here as if they're attacking from multiple angles how exactly are they ALL easy targets for Jinton? He can hit one at a time and even with cylinder Jinton he's not swiping every boss summon down before one hits him quite easily, not to mention he'd never have time to prep here as has been stated above.
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And I have already proven why neither of those would work in this instance in the slightest.
That little distance traversed may have meant nothing, but had Kabuto and Deidara been smart and used that distance to go after Ohnoki the prep clearly would have been interrupted there, not to mention that was a statement about its range not its jutsu speed which is what matters here.
As for the Mu point Gaara had come between Mu and Ohnoki and it was still not ready, AFTER Gaara had already intervened Naruto was still free-falling a distance away from Mu
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keep in mind he came between Ohnoki and Mu and THEN noticed Naruto, he most certainly had the same amount of time it took Naruto to fall to Mu to react and use his sand on Mu, if not even more so as ONCE AGAIN it was interrupted before fully prepped, meaning he probably had some added time to do attack Mu himself. -Gaara was able to come between Ohnoki and Mu
-Naruto was able to FREEFALL from at least 10 meters if not more (Gaara didn't notice him for a bit)
Both of these quite lengthy happenings transpired before Mu could fully charge Jinton (we don't even know how much longer it needed after it was interrupted).
Since when does a slashed line mean that two panels are happening at the same time? I'm honestly extremely curious as to why you'd ever think that is you merely have to look at any chapter and realize Kishi merely separates panels with slashed lines all the time that clearly aren't happening at the same time. Like this entire scan with the 3rd and Naruto
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If that was the case that would mean Mu was literally sitting there doing nothing while Gaara formed the sand-cloud and Naruto reached for it. He obviously started charging as soon as he could, and was interrupted by a Naruto who switched directions.
His statement also said that Naruto could dodge it so the gap between the attacks couldn't have been too large, not to mention he had already kneaded the dust-release chakra so he didn't have to do it a second time most likely but even then it still wasn't fast enough.
Kitsuchi can't create the mountain sandwich from within the swamp, and your plans on removing him were shaky at best, and if he does ever get out by that time it will be too late as Jiraiya, Sasuke and Hiruzen would already be all over your trio in terms of distance, and their vast superiority in terms of speed and jutsu here would never let Sakura even touch Kitsuchi never-mind getting the technique off.
Referring back to your intro however it was shown that it still took time for Tsunade to amass enough chakra for Ohnoki to use the Jinton as I stated earlier, so Sakura touching Kitsuchi isn't an instant GG don't forget Sasuke can see the chakra transferring, and he'd either speed over there himself (again IF you do ever get free of the swamp my team is already in close proximity to yours) so it would be not hard at all for him to interupt the transfer, or he can inform Jiraiya who can spawn a smaller Yomi Nura (negating the doton) around Kitsuchi and Sakura
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(did you forget this technique can be spammed?) Jiraiya wasn't really phased chakra wise after using such a deep swamp and this was when he was drugged as well.No one is getting trapped by Mountain Sandwich here, not when your team is ridiculously slow compared to mine both in physical speed and jutsu speed. that combined with the fact that your team has to deal with escaping a jutsu for a decent amount of time before they can do anything
No mountain sandwich means this isn't happening, and it never will as the normal cylinder jinton is already a long enough prep-time never mind this much larger one.
You also did nothing to prove that Jinton is long enough to allow this strategy to work, the forest created was not larger than the Mountain Sandwich and you extending a drawing off the scan proves nothing. The width he could destroy with the jinton is the radius of the crater he formed with the Jinton as he spun it around, mountain sandwich is much larger than that.
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which can engulf your entire team at once, and due to your team completely lacking any way to sense in the slightest my team can easily prepare to finish yours when the flames diminish, honestly that combined with Sasuke's Katons would be more than enough to initiate a smaller Kirin (still enough to take out your team) so if your entire team does manage to escpae Jiraiya's jutsu they'll have enough time to feel the bit of rain before they're annihilated by the thunder clap.Except firstly Sakura will still be within the swamp, if not just escaping and secondly no Sakura doesn't lessen the prep-time of Jinton by any means as has already been explained above. As for your mobile core argument as I said earlier use of the jutsu more than once isn't catching Sasuke and his 3t pre-cog off guard Kakashi's 3T was seeing through jutsu as fast and large as Kakuzu's
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and as if Sasuke hasn't shown the ability to switch directions to avoid attacks as small-scale as mobile core
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Sasuke will never charge Ohnoki head on from the start of this match though, my entire team along with boss-summons will all move forward while your team is stuck in the swamp.
Remind me who in your squad is a sensor again? Neither Bunta nor Jiraiya could realize Manda was underneath them yet you would think Kitsuchi's jutsu which only worked because he knew of the Zetsu's location (in which they were in for quite a while) would force Manda who can constantly move (and is much bigger than the Zetsu) above ground? He could most certainly try this despite him needing Kurotsuchi to make something that big, however he would come up empty and leave himself wide-open to either Manda himself or being killed by Sasuke directly here.
You had your own team split up when you brought Ohnoki to the air and left Sakura and Kitsuchi on the ground which is all you can do really as both Sakura and Kitsuchi are useless in the air. However your would still be within the swamp or in the process (quite the long process) of getting out by the time my team traverses the 40m no way is Ohnoki both removing Sakura and Kitsuchi (if he even can) from the swamp and charging the cylinder jinton needed to do anything to my team here. If he goes for the former he's wiped out by Sasuke directly and if he goes for the later he's bombarded by
-Chidori Senbon
-Dragon Katon
-Water Bullets
-Manda Extending from the ground right underneath him
-Hiruzen's jutsu (which I haven't even started to get into)
-Enma
All of which are easily interupting Jinton prep if not hitting him directly, meanwhile they all leave plenty of time to deal with your teammates who are still stuck in the swamp.
Don't need to.
I've already dealt with both those strategies, Jinton is never getting charged here when we have Manda to constantly stalk the earth and can sense when Ohnoki goes below it with mobile core, meanwhile Ohnoki can't sense anything at all. The fact that all that needs to be done in order for you to get off your one threatening jutsu should surely showcase how pointless this match-up is. Also about the Deidara point is completely false as that fodder knew what was going to happen before Deidara triggered the explosion (manga is read right to left) and instigated the core before-hand.
A super jinton that would never be charged when Sakura is stuck in the swamp, as well as Sasuke traversing the distance while simultaneously firing Katons to move Ohnoki not to mention Jiraiya and Hiruzen following suit. Sasuke isn't charging your team till your team is hopelessly trying to escape the swamp.
As I said earlier it would still take up their entire LoS so my team can prepare to finish them off when the flames die down, or honestly Hiruzen could up its damage even more by adding in a fuuton. Either way once they all resort to defenses that render them helpless from what is waiting for them after the flames. He also taught the entire shinobi alliance quickly enough via mind transfer which isn't available here. You're also forgetting that flames aren't tangible so the walls would do nothing here the flames would travel around them and still burn the shinobi alive.
Unless she's stuck to Kitsuchi who is incredibly slow, or trapped in the swamp. She's also slower than Ohnoki in flight so if anything she slows him down in the air.
Sooner or later? Thats a nice response when you backed yourself into either getting eaten by Manda while your charging Jinton or crushed/hit with a water bullet from a boss toad above the mobile core.
Because you seem to think he can strike multiple targets at once with the Jinton that he can't even charge in time thanks in part to those exact boss summons. Also that volcano jutsu is useless as I've pointed out.
You seem to have contradicting points throughout you had Ohnoki charge Jinton in the air in one of your strategies which means Enma extending could easily provide an interruption to Jinton, and if he goes the other routes on the ground I've specified otherways to interupt it.
I never realized you'd be so imprudent as to not read the DB scan of the jutsu you in fact are trying to counter.
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"THE FLAMES CREATE A RISING AIR CURRENT THAT IS SO HOT IT CREATES THUNDERCLOUDS" now as for your pitiful attempt to use other Katons as examples, what other Katons do you know that were fired DIRECTLY into the atmosphere? None, the two large ones you used were used on the ground basically once Sasuke fires this jutsu into the atmosphere to create the air current any other warmth created on the ground thus induces that air current and increases its temperature even more so (hence why Amertarasu was so helpful) and the reason the clouds didn't appear till immediately after the Katon was launched
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. So all of Hiruzens and Jiraiya's katons used on the ground (as well as Sasuke's if he uses it again) heat up the rising air thus strengthening the Kirin, it may not be as strong as it was when it was charged with Amertarasu flames however it will most certainly be enough to destroy your team and their doton defenses.Again you just assuming Ohnoki is going to constantly have a super-jinton charged is ridiculous, the air current forms on its own after Sasuke launches the jutsu so he'd still have to deal with with the entire team launching jutsu after him, and if for some reason he does charge it (never will) and point it upwards he's taken out while his attention is upwards :lol either way Kirin ends this matchup.
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Thank you very much, don't think anyone is interested until we hear from the judges. Zexion's post was good so I don't know what in the world you're talking about.
Keep your thoughts to yourself, at least for now.
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All ninjutsu require one to knead chakra, then change it to an element/KKG/KKT/KKM and finally change its form. The reason why jinton and
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take a longer time to use compared to most other jutsus is because of the amount of chakra buildup that needs to be done to use them. Sakura has access to so much chakra on her fingertips (
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) that Onoki and Kitsuchi can skip building up their own chakra unlike your team, so how exactly is your team interrupting our team again especially when you have to take into account the travelling speed of your team's ninjutsu before it reaches us?Saying jinton is a Kekei Touta so it will take much more longer to prep compared to single element is false considering
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yet it
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at all unless a huge one is used like Kaguya. So all in all, ninjutsu prep time is directly proportional to the amount of chakra that needs to be built up. Sakura giving them the required chakra means the biggest hurdle in ninjutsu execution is taken away.In the scan with Tsunade, Onoki doesn't have the
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he usually has because he doesn't need to spend time building up enough chakra to use jinton as Beans explained. Susanoo clones seeing the light doesn't mean Onoki had the small hand sized cube. All they saw before getting hit was the expansion of the jinton itself. Anyhow, the
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before jinton even started getting prepped, yet it was prepped before they could reach the Gokage, which just goes to show how fast super jinton is prepped. With Sakura's chakra, Onoki doesn't necessarily have to use super jinton, regular jinton will be far quicker to prep than super jinton and it will also be far quicker to prep than regular jinton on his own. Furthermore, Tsunade was running low on chakra by that time and we've seen Sakura give out so much chakra that her own
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which didn't happen when Tsunade gave chakra to Onoki, so a fresh Onoki with a fresh Sakura could very well create an even bigger jinton or a super jinton of the same size but with even less prep time. Using an example of Kisame swinging Samehada at a defenseless kid? Wow. First off, Samehada isn't a slashing/slicing kind of sword, it's more so like a saw [
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]. As shown in the scan, it doesn't rely on the speed of a slashing/slicing motion, it operates by sawing off limbs. So it is not like Kisame swung Samehada as fast as he could to cut off Naruto's limbs. Second, if Kisame was serious with that swing, then Samehada would of came crashing into the floor the moment Jiraiya's summon disappeared [
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]. The fact that Samehada stayed steady means that there was never any strength applied to that swing either which makes perfect sense unless you think a small toad can block Kisame's strength when
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. Furthermore, in Haizaki's opener, he had Jiraiya first turn around, then use Yomi Numa unlike against Kisame where he didn't bother hiding his hand seals. Furthermore, Yomi numa is not a small summoning so the chakra build up should be noticeably greater due to being a larger jutsu, thus taking a longer time to form. Kitsuchi should be able to use mobile earth core to transport your team deep down which you acknowledged later on and you agreed that Sakura could punch the ground.
Going by the databook entry for YN, it only converts the ground to mud, Sakura punching the ground makes boulders on top of the ground. Those boulders are now separate entities from the ground hence there is no reason for YN to work on them. Our team will use them as a means to jump in midair, allowing Onoki to lighten his team mates and then fly away behind the swamp away from your team. Now your team has to travel around the swamp so your team has even more distance to cover. To make this even worse, Sakura will summon Katsuyu and have make it
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in order to create a barrier between our team and yours. This liquid will go around Yomi Numa so your team has to travel not just around YN, but around the Katsuyu liquid as well. If you guys step on it, Sakura will use
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to one shot anyone who touches it. A small part of Katsuyu will be used to create three Katsuyu clones which will be used for communication purposes and mainly for Sakura to boost Kitsuchi and Onoki simultaneously if need be without needing to be in contact with them.
Mobile earth core is used to transport your team down creating more distance between us, nothing to do with YN.
I agree they can get out but not before Onoki lightens his team mates, makes a clone (or two if Kitsuchi can't fly as fast as Onoki) and has Sakura get on top of him. Your team getting out of the swamp does absolutely nothing because our team will simply fly behind the swamp while you guys will have to go around it which takes much longer than just flying above it. Like Beans said, jinton can be prepped while Onoki's clone can move them out of the way from Sasuke's katons so there is no reason why Onoki will have to stop prepping jinton to dodge Sasuke's katon.
Okay so they can hide inside Manda which means your shinobi can't cast jutsus to interrupt any prep. Manda doesn't have any long ranged attacks so when our team sees you guys go underground with Manda, our team flies in the air, preps super jinton and nukes Manda as it comes out to attack mere doton bunshin feints. Do remember that Kitsuchi can also use doton clones by virtue of having full intel on their handseals which means he can use mere doton clones if guys like Ino-Shika-Cho who don't use doton
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once hand seals are taught to them. Already dealt with Yomi Numa but I'll refute this as well.
Beans said our team will stick together so Onoki isn't going to go away from his team mates. Onoki would pull them out before they get submerged deep.
Being weightless counters the force of gravity which is downwards so they'll sink more slowly.
If Sakura summons Katsuyu, it
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underneath her. If what you were saying was true, Naruto summoning Gamabunta under him would be useless as all the sand other than the sand beneath him wouldn't have been dispersed (
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). Already dealt with this as well.
Onoki can evade the other team's attacks while prepping jinton. None of Sasuke's long ranged attacks are guided like Gaara sand and the same goes for Hiruzen and Jiraiya. Despite Gaara's superior ranged attacks,
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on his bird which is on the same level of speed, if not slower (because it was Onoki who had to catch up to a Deidara running from him),
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. Doton bunshins don't split one's chakra in half hence why Onoki was able to make six of them, no reason why making one will prevent him from using jinton when he's used multiple jinton before running out of chakra which is more taxing than one doton clone+jinton. Not to mention Sakura is here to refill Onoki's reserves. Using an oil and flame combo is very predictable because Jiraiya has to tell Gamabunta to give him oil so it is slower than your other techniques. Nevertheless, if it proves to be too large to dodge, Onoki can come back to the ground where Kitsuchi can
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and Sakura can buff him. Right after the flames are done, Onoki will release super jinton against your team who'll be caught off guard due to the smoke created by your katon. Beans stated the team will stick together which means despite flying, Onoki will be relatively close to Kitsuchi and Sakura. Most those jutsus are evaded or Kitsuchi makes your team misfire
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.Yeah so Kitsuchi will raise Onoki instead of lowering him if Manda hasn't been taken out. Once Manda has been taken out, we can raise or lower the ground underneath us but would most likely go for raising the ground to gain an elevation advantage as well as LoS. If boss toads jump in the air to get Onoki from the top,
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while they're in midair and use weighted rock tech against them. Onoki will have no trouble outmaneuvering them while in midair considering they can't move in midair unlike Onoki and the fact that even on the ground, Deva outmaneuvered them easily (
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). An earth bunker can be manipulated to have holes in it so Onoki can see just fine. Jinton will be prepped faster than Sasuke can blitz if Sakura helps prep it. If Sakura is not helping Onoki prep it, she can simply punch the ground forcing Sasuke to evade and back off. I agree Sasuke can react to mobile earth core.
Sakura and Raikage do damage differently. Ay's hits are based on momentum while
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. Sakura's punches have far inferior momentum to Ay's considering she's far slower, yet her own punches are far stronger, so lightening Sakura isn't going to make her punches much weaker, if at all. Lightened members of our team being inferior to your team mates in speed is based on nothing and the burden of proof is on you to prove that this is the case because you made your unsubstantiated claim. This has been addressed. Onoki will be near Kitsuchi despite being in the air so no biggie.
Normal
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especially boss summon sized ones as
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. How is a boss summon hitting him when he can outmaneuver them all? Not to mention a boss summon's arm has to travel a greater distance than Onoki's arm when he swings jinton so boss summons will be taken out once jinton is prepped. Gaara came between Mu and Onoki the moment when Mu had just started using jinton so saying jinton was still not ready is a dishonest claim to prove that jinton is slow to prep. I agree Gaara could have stopped Mu from preparing jinton but Gaara and Naruto were both much closer to Mu than your team will be to ours. Even still, if Mu had a clone to get him out of harm's way, he'd have gotten jinton off. Now on top of that, give him a massive chakra boost and jinton is prepped with far less time.
Gaara first formed a sand-cloud beneath Naruto, Mu started prepping jinton and then Naruto propelled himself. The time lapse between Gaara forming the sand-cloud and Naruto propelling himself is negligible because we can all agree Naruto's reaction time would allow him to nigh instantly use the sand cloud to his advantage. All in all, the time between Mu prepping jinton and Naruto leaping is negligible. Naruto interrupted him because of the speed of Naruto's chakra arm combined with Naruto's own leaping speed. If it was just Naruto's leaping speed, jinton would have made it faster as per Mu's statement that Beans showed you.
Mu said Naruto
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, not that he would have dodged it. I can agree that Mu had already kneaded dust-release chakra from beforehand which is why its prep time was slower the
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than the
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. This means that if Onoki is interrupted (which you have yet to prove), the next time he starts prepping again, it would take less time to prep. Kitsuchi isn't going to create mountain sandwich when he's on the swamp. As soon as the fight starts and we retreat behind the swamp,
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which will be used to erupt the swamp whenever Jiraiya creates it near us thus hard countering YN. Also since you are underrating the speed of my team, I'll prove to you why Kitsuchi and Sakura even without any enhancements are pretty fast, especially Sakura.
Kitsuchi's speed analysis
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(
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) even though he is no where near Darui, thus he covers more distance than Kinkaku.
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a jounin level CQC fighter. A
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in speed whereas before he was inferior in speed to Neji as per the databook and Neji demolishing Naruto's clones. Kinkaku's is a far superior V2 cloak, and with his speed and power, he was
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. Kinkaku was even fast enough to escape a tired Darui's LoS. Sasuke's speed is not a problem at all especially when Deidara can react to him (
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). Deidara is not a skilled taijutsu user unlike Kitsuchi who was the
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(
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). Furthermore Deidara doesn't have speed/reaction feats that put him on par or above Kitsuchi. Furthermore,
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yet he
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and save him before the
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which goes to show that Kitsuchi can travel large distances in the amount of time the gedo mazou can't even take a single step. Sakura speed analysis
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despite the Juubi clone having a head start. As you can see below in the spoiler, Sakura travels over 75% the distance compared to the clone she had punched. Considering the fact that she also traveled high in a parabolic path unlike the Juubi clone which traveled in a straight line, the distance she covered relative to the Juubi clone should be even greater. Now take into account the fact that she leaped afterwards, she had less time to reach the moving fission so I think we can agree she's roughly as fast as the Juubi clone she punched. If you still have apprehensions, do bare in mind utilizing leg strength to take off should produce at least the same amount of energy because legs/feet hold greater strength than arms/fists. Calculation below
EP2 Sakura got
According the the first spoiler below, the distance between Sakura and Naruto is 12.86 times greater than Yamato's height. Yamato is 1.78 m tall so the distance between Sakura and Naruto is 23.66 m. According to the second spoiler below, the distance between Kabuto and Naruto is 1.84 times greater than Kabuto's bent height. Kabuto's real height is 1.77 m so the distance between Kabuto and Naruto is somewhat lower than 3.26 m. When we subtract the distance between Naruto and Kabuto with the distance between Sakura and Naruto, we get the distance between Kabuto and Sakura, which is 20.40 m. I took the upper limit of the distance between Kabuto and Naruto so the actual distance is greater. Nevertheless, we get the fact that Kabuto was 20 m away from Sakura when she got blitzed in the head.
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when
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from a
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at the moment when Kabuto gets sent flying to arrive at the distance between Sakura and Kabuto. According the the first spoiler below, the distance between Sakura and Naruto is 12.86 times greater than Yamato's height. Yamato is 1.78 m tall so the distance between Sakura and Naruto is 23.66 m. According to the second spoiler below, the distance between Kabuto and Naruto is 1.84 times greater than Kabuto's bent height. Kabuto's real height is 1.77 m so the distance between Kabuto and Naruto is somewhat lower than 3.26 m. When we subtract the distance between Naruto and Kabuto with the distance between Sakura and Naruto, we get the distance between Kabuto and Sakura, which is 20.40 m. I took the upper limit of the distance between Kabuto and Naruto so the actual distance is greater. Nevertheless, we get the fact that Kabuto was 20 m away from Sakura when she got blitzed in the head.
Remember early Shippuden Kabuto getting sent flying by a Kyuubi roar and
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? Well Sakura's punch is way stronger than a mere roar so we can agree that the Juubi clone was also travelling much faster. This means Sakura at this point travels fast enough to effortlessly blitz her early Shippuden self from a range of 20+ m. This puts base yin seal Sakura's speed on a whole other level to base Tsunade considering Sakura trained her evasion skills under Tsunade for three years, who promised to go all out (
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). Considering EP2 Sakura was eventually fast enough to react to Sasori's iron sand attacks after witnessing them in a single battle, it stands to reason she'd have gotten fast enough to react to base Tsunade just fine. When it comes to reactions, Sakura was able to react to Kaguya's chakra arm which was stated to be very fast even for top tier speedster's standards (
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). She'd have eventually gotten caught but that simply means Sakura isn't as fast as Kaguya's chakra arm, something that is obvious. It doesn't mean she's not fast and doesn't change the fact she reacted. Kaguya's chakra arm being far from Sakura when it first strikes doesn't refute this feat at all considering the Juubi was very far from this team (
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just fine. It being large doesn't dehype Sakura being able to track it because Kakashi couldn't visually track the Juubi (
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) despite the Juubi being much larger than the chakra arm. I'm not claiming Sakura reactions are above Kakashi and team because I have no proof that Kaguya's chakra arm is as fast as the Juubi but it is definitely a lot larger than Kaguya's chakra arm so Sakura's reactions can't be far below him. Then in
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, we have Sakura reacting to a low level TBB by dodging the direct hit but still getting hit by the explosion, which only hit half her body meaning she was fast enough to reach the edge of the explosion where half her body was caught but the other half was not. That TBB may be weak compared to other TBB but it is still a lot stronger than Atsugai and C2 missile considering Sakura was in worse shape after getting partially hit at the edge of the explosion compared to
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, yet his body being intact and Sasuke getting caught inside C2's explosion but emerging unscathed, out of the blast itself (
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). In all three cases, the characters did manage to evade their respective attacks but did get barely caught in the attack. Sakura's feat trumps the others because the magnitude of the attack she barely dodged is far greater than the other two. Is this a tailed beast bomb?
Immediately after, Kido fired the concentrated chakra ball.
It seemed as if the ball had been compressed whilst charging up within Kido’s mouth, for the moment it was fired, the diameter of the ball expanded to around one metre across, and blasted towards Sakura.
Sakura managed to dodge the direct hit, but it still managed to make contact with half her body. Sakura was blasted back through the forest.
Sakura broke through the thick branches of the forest and finally stopped flying when she hit a massive boulder.
She crumpled down on to the floor, and couldn’t stand up immediately. It hurt to breathe.
After ensuring that all of her limbs still worked properly, Sakura stood up.
Immediately after, Kido fired the concentrated chakra ball.
It seemed as if the ball had been compressed whilst charging up within Kido’s mouth, for the moment it was fired, the diameter of the ball expanded to around one metre across, and blasted towards Sakura.
Sakura managed to dodge the direct hit, but it still managed to make contact with half her body. Sakura was blasted back through the forest.
Sakura broke through the thick branches of the forest and finally stopped flying when she hit a massive boulder.
She crumpled down on to the floor, and couldn’t stand up immediately. It hurt to breathe.
After ensuring that all of her limbs still worked properly, Sakura stood up.
Neither Hiruzen (measly 3.0 in speed) or base Jiraiya (no feats) are as fast as Kitsuchi or Sakura even without any speed enhancements let alone Byakogou and light weight for Sakura and only being lightened for Kitsuchi. With those enhancements, these two are far faster than Hiruzen and Jiraiya and probably faster than Sasuke, Sakura certainly would be and Kitsuchi probably is as well.
This means your team won't be able to catch up to ours. You stating Sakura won't even be able to touch Kitsuchi is very retarded and your team has no such speed feats that she can't even move her arms in response to.
Anyway if Sasuke rushes my team and for some reason, enough doton chakra is not kneaded, then a smaller scale mountain sandwich would kill Sasuke and the others. It would still be comfortably larger than a bijuu because a
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. The databook entry below proves that mountain sandwich's size can vary based on the amount of chakra kneaded (top-right caption below).
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Kitsuchi will use doton while on the volcano he created and there is no reason to assume Jiraiya can turn a volcano into mud. Volcanos are mountains and YN's databook entry says ground is converted to mud, mountains are not ground.
Addressed.
Laser jinton doesn't have to be as long as mountain sandwich because your team isn't going to be over 70 m away from ours. Beans extended that jinton off panel because it is a conical jinton which means the end is a sharp point. What we saw on panel was an incomplete cone so it stands to reason it is longer than it was shown. You guys can't even evade a Juubi sized mountain sandwich so let's stop nitpicking the laser jinton's size when the combo isn't really needed. Either super jinton or Juubi sized mountain sandwich oneshots.
Overrating Sasuke by claiming he can solo Sakura and Kitsuchi, let alone easily.
All of this lackluster argumentation has been addressed. Kirin takes longer to prep than either mountain sandwich or super jinton so no.
Last but not least, if you have Sasuke stay away from Onoki yet blitz Kitsuchi and Sakura (not that he can), that won't work because like Beans said, our team will stay close together.
It won't catch Sasuke off guard more than once but no one said it will. Beans simply stated mobile earth core will be used for added assurance to finish Sasuke off with jinton. Sasuke can't evade jinton when he's focused on blitzing especially when he's also focused on the ground.
If your team is going to move together simultaneously with Sasuke, that's great for us because this means Sasuke will have to travel at a slower speed considering his team mates are far slower than himself. No one will ever be stuck in the swamp as has been addressed.
Lol they'll see Manda tunneling into the ground. How can they miss such a large summon go underground? Zetsu clones were spread apart over a wide area so how would he know each and every one's location? They were simply dragged into the volcano considering it
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. The same happens to Manda. Kurotsuchi helping him is irrelevant when he has Sakura buff him in this match. Sasuke gets killed by jinton if he tries that. Zexy ma man, still arguing like a broken tape recorder.
1. The team didn't split up, Onoki may be flying but he won't be far from the team.
2. Swamp doesn't pose a threat at all but it makes it harder for you to close the distance so the joke's on you.
3. All those techs can be easily evaded while Onoki preps jinton.
4. While your team desperately struggles to prevent Onoki from prepping jinton, Kitsuchi and Sakura prep mountain sandwich and one shot your team.
Alternatively, Onoki can simply prep super jinton with Sakura as he can simply carry her over on his back while a clone of his carries Sakura. It really doesn't change what will happen though.
Deidara started preparing the explosion first, then Ittan started preparing mobile earth core (
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). Refuted previously.
While the flames engulf the battlefield, we'll be safely chilling inside an earth dome while you guys can't approach due to the risk of getting burned. Then once the flames die off, super jinton one shots. Intel here is full and the only thing Kitsuchi taught was the hand seals but with full intel, our team knows the hand seals for all doton techs so that point is moot.
Kitsuchi is not slow at all as has been proven earlier. Sakura will be weightless in the air so how exactly will Onoki be slowed down? 0 lbs +0 lbs = 0 lbs so no difference.
Beans was just being nice when he said later, from the arguments that you've made so far, it seems more like sooner. Addressed boss toads previously.
Addressed why boss summons are useless and why the volcano jutsu hard counters YN as well as Manda tunneling underground.
There was no contradiction, Onoki can be in the air while being close to his team mates/ground. Not that this wasn't addressed previously, just reminding the judges.
Well Sasuke needs to fire a total of five fire dragons (
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) and they have to travel all the way to the sky before
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. Preparing Kirin will be slower if there aren't so many trees that are being burnt down, releasing their moisture into the air. Furthermore, Sasuke and Itachi were fighting on top of the Uchiha hideout which is very tall, almost a km according to this calc.
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It will take longer for Sasuke's katon to travel and the air currents will also take longer to travel. There is also a chance the katon might not even reach all the way to the sky. Its power is also questionable which means Sakura may simply be able to heal her team mates back to health.
This is irrelevant though because you had Sasuke coming out of the hole and then closing in on our team, not firing katon directly into the sky. Furthermore,
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. Exactly, Kirin will only be prepped some time after the katons are shot which is the problem. This gives Onoki plenty of time to fly up with Sakura and prep jinton. His attention might be diverted but not his clone's which will move him from harm's way. Though instead of using super jinton on the clouds, it'll be more effective to simply wipe out your team right then and there.
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No I actually wanted to list those feats at some point and asked KG to allow me to do so. Nevertheless, as KG said, none of those would change the result of the match. Just supplementary information.
