1st hokage vs 2nd hokage

[l3m0npl3dg3]

if you pinned the brothers 1v1 who would win the first has wood and healing abilities and also good a sealing jutsus and all the rest he is praised for vs the second with edo and all his water and sensory abilities and whatever else he is good for

 

[choft]

1st Hokage was stronger than the 2nd Hokage. Hashirama was considered the strongest shinobi in his time. Also, there is a reason he was chosen as Hokage first over his brother.

 

[Dantee]

1st hokage wins but it won't be no easy fight. 2nd hokage was renowned as the best water user in the world and space time ninjutsu......

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

1st Hokage was stronger than the 2nd Hokage. Hashirama was considered the strongest shinobi in his time. Also, there is a reason he was chosen as Hokage first over his brother.

Who cares about that everybody knows there is alot of potholes in the manga this is not really a clear cut battle

 

[choft]

Who cares about that everybody knows there is alot of potholes in the manga this is not really a clear cut battle

So why was Hashirama the only one Madara respected then? I think it's pretty clear that the 1st would beat the 2nd.

 

[Prime Rib]

2nd hokae easy space time ninjutsu master

 

[choft]

2nd hokae easy space time ninjutsu master

That doesn't mean he would win. You have no idea how his space time ninjutsu works.

 

[medal32]

Well if Tobirama would go with Edo spam...meh Hashi still wins

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

1st Hokage was stronger than the 2nd Hokage. Hashirama was considered the strongest shinobi in his time. Also, there is a reason he was chosen as Hokage first over his brother.

That doesn't mean he would win. You have no idea how his space time ninjutsu works.

Obviously something like minatos that stuff about hashi being the only one to deafeat madara is just a plothole

 

[choft]

Obviously something like minatos that stuff about hashi being the only one to deafeat madara is just a plothole

How do you know that Tobirama's S/T ninjutsus works like Minato? We've never seen it in action.

And I don't think it's a plothole that only Hashirama could beat Madara in his time.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

How do you know that Tobirama's S/T ninjutsus works like Minato? We've never seen it in action.

And I don't think it's a plothole that only Hashirama could beat Madara in his time.

You mean to tell me edo which made kabuto and oro op and s/t which makes minato hokage level and a water style that is better than kisames couldnt beat madara before the rinnegan and wood i find that hard to believe

 

[choft]

You mean to tell me edo which made kabuto and oro op and s/t which makes minato hokage level and a water style that is better than kisames couldnt beat madara before the rinnegan and wood i find that hard to believe

First off, Tobirama's edo was not as advanced as Orochimaru's one and it was incomplete. Secondly, as I've already told you, you have no idea how Tobirama's S/T ninjutsu works. I highly doubt he can use FTG. And what will water do against Susanoo that can destroy mountains.

Madara only ever talks about Hashirama, he never talks about Tobirama. All the hype goes towards Hashirama from the manga and never to Tobirama. The 1st > 2nd.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

2nd hokae easy space time ninjutsu master

Who said he is the master

btw 1st hokage ftw

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

First off, Tobirama's edo was not as advanced as Orochimaru's one and it was incomplete. Secondly, as I've already told you, you have no idea how Tobirama's S/T ninjutsu works. I highly doubt he can use FTG. And what will water do against Susanoo that can destroy mountains.

Madara only ever talks about Hashirama, he never talks about Tobirama. All the hype goes towards Hashirama from the manga and never to Tobirama. The 1st > 2nd.

Dude do yiu not know what a plothole is any type of s/t tech is op in naruto and there isnt amy ways to improve on edo kabuto used the same as oro he just let some of them keep their conscience not to mention he probably had a summon that would help to i dont buy into all that hashi was the best crap because he doesnt size up better than the 2nd or madara or the third for that regard

 

[choft]

Dude do yiu not know what a plothole is any type of s/t tech is op in naruto and there isnt amy ways to improve on edo kabuto used the same as oro he just let some of them keep their conscience not to mention he probably had a summon that would help to i dont buy into all that hashi was the best crap because he doesnt size up better than the 2nd or madara or the third for that regard

Lol, how many times am I going to say this? You have never seen Tobirama's S/T in action. For all we know, it could require a lot of prep time to use it. We've only seen Minato and Tobi's S/T tech. Yes, both are OP but just because two people's techniques are OP it doesn't mean that everybody else's technique is OP.

Orochimaru using edo is not the same as Kabuto using edo. Kabuto could control way more edos than Orochimaru can. Orochimaru only controlled like two and he hardly used them to their true potential. Tobirama's edo technique is even worst, and who exactly would Tobirama use as an edo?

And I don't know why you don't think 1st > 2nd. Nothing in the manga suggests that Tobirama is greater than Hashirama.

Answer me this: If Tobirama is greater than Hashirama then:

1. Why was Hashirama chosen as Hokage
2. Why did people say Hashirama was the strongest of his era
3. Why does Madara only talk about Hashirama

At least with Hirzuen, people can argue against that because it says in the databook and manga that he is the strongest Hokage. But with Tobirama, you have zero evidence to suggest that Tobirama > Hashirama.

Also, your great Tobirama lost to the Gold and Silver brothers.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Kid thats like saying that jus beacause u never seen a dinosaur eat it might eat out of its ass how minato referred to the seconds s/t as if it was somewhere around his level if his was better he wouldve been like wow this guys s/t is better than mines also there isnt any evidence of edo changing beside the talismans that bind the edos mind or the number you control and oro could have used them better he jus chose not to because he played with the third and last but not least i bet the first wouldnt have made it oast the ginkaku twins with the ancient artifacts and 9 tails chakra

 

[choft]

Kid thats like saying that jus beacause u never seen a dinosaur eat it might eat out of its ass how minato referred to the seconds s/t as if it was somewhere around his level if his was better he wouldve been like wow this guys s/t is better than mines also there isnt any evidence of edo changing beside the talismans that bind the edos mind or the number you control and oro could have used them better he jus chose not to because he played with the third and last but not least i bet the first wouldnt have made it oast the ginkaku twins with the ancient artifacts and 9 tails chakra

The 9 tails would lose to Hashirama. He already beat Madara and 9 tails on his own.

Sorry but the dinosaur comparison is wrong. We already know that Minato invented FTG. Since he invented it, how does Tobirama do FTG? Fact is, we don't know what kind of S/T ninjutsu Tobirama does.

We do know Hashirama was made Hokage over Tobirama. Can you tell me why Hashirama was made Hokage over Tobirama, and this time, don't avoid the question.

 

[Cerox0]

Answer me this: If Tobirama is greater than Hashirama then:

1. Why was Hashirama chosen as Hokage
2. Why did people say Hashirama was the strongest of his era
3. Why does Madara only talk about Hashirama

At least with Hirzuen, people can argue against that because it says in the databook and manga that he is the strongest Hokage. But with Tobirama, you have zero evidence to suggest that Tobirama > Hashirama.

Also, your great Tobirama lost to the Gold and Silver brothers.

1. At the time Hashirama was stronger then Tobirama, who's to say when Tobirama was Hokage he did not surpass his brother? Clearly Minato became stronger as a Hokage then when he was Kakashi's sensei so why wouldn't tobirama?

2. Again back to number 1.

3. Because Hashirama is the one he's in love with. He fought him endless times and was defeated by him, who else would you respect then the person that defeated you?


P.S Gold and Silver brothers are OP as ****. They got he drop on those 2 kages with the SO6P weapons, they were messing around in the plot against darui. Even raikage was freaking out.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Clearly older and more admired just because he was picked doesnt mean he was the best everyone sees madara as the better fighter now that we have seen susanno perfect it was probably some will of the fore bullshit not skill that helped him win and got him elected look at the matchup and tell me if you can honestly say that he is a better matchup than the 2nd and all that jus because i didnt see it argument desnt really wrk you never seen the so6p and i bet you would hail him as the strongest in the naruto universe

 

[choft]

1. At the time Hashirama was stronger then Tobirama, who's to say when Tobirama was Hokage he did not surpass his brother? Clearly Minato became stronger as a Hokage then when he was Kakashi's sensei so why wouldn't tobirama?

2. Again back to number 1.

3. Because Hashirama is the one he's in love with. He fought him endless times and was defeated by him, who else would you respect then the person that defeated you?


P.S Gold and Silver brothers are OP as ****. They got he drop on those 2 kages with the SO6P weapons, they were messing around in the plot against darui. Even raikage was freaking out.

If Tobirama was greater than Hashirama, then why does no one say that Tobirama was the strongest of his time?