how come everytime tsukuyomi is used in the series the victim looks into the persons eyes? and im sure raikage could adapt very quickly to the situation.
and who said he has no knowledge? i dont see it in OP
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100% Healthy Itachi vs. 3rd Raikage
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and who said he has no knowledge? i dont see it in OP
lanakau888
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Yep basically anyone who doesn't have doujutsu or a bijuu, which means minato, third hokage, hashirama, tobirama, jiraiya, and so on will get one-shotted by itachi on easy difficulty because of finger genjutsu.
third was raikage 30 years prior to the fourth shinobi war... shishui was probaly still a young man in his 20's , when itachi kiled him, which would make him like 6 when raikage was in charge, so no he didnt know shishui's abilities
that is a coherent sentence. the fact that you dont know how to read a coherent sentence proves that you were just skimming for grammatical errors. which just reinforces the fact you have to try to downsize someone when you cant find anything to counter what they said. typical move. it has been done before.
lanakau888
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but the sharingans have been around since the first great shinobi war, and an ancient like chiyo knew the general information about it. Surely the third raikage, being the most informed member of his village would know the basics of combating a sharingan.
prove me to that tobi isnt obito...
you cant can you?
one could assume a kage, whose job it is to protect hsi village, would know about the notoriety of other village's ninja and s-rank criminals on the top of the MOST WANTED list. it makes sense hw ould know about it, doesnt it? just like it makes sense tobi isnt obito. but we CANT know for sure.
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even if raikages knows about tsukyomi, and looks somewhere else fighting itachi, He will get caught by the finger genjutsu
If he looks at his feet, He'll get caught by amaterasu...., its stupid to assume, that because he was kage he would know about uchiha abilities..... Minato clearly looked right at tobi's eyes, A,Bee,Mizukage all clearly looked at sasuke's eyes....... A was able to doge amaterasu BECAUSE he saw sasuke's eyes turn to mangekyou.... without looking at his eyes, how would he doge amaterasu?
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Lol just because people are an Kage dosen't mean they know everything or take things such as avoiding sharingan, into consideration.
Mizukage(Mei), fought Sasuke, and even looked into his eyes. If Sasuke wanted to, he could've easily trapped her in Tsukiyomi, or ANY Genjutsu.
Same with Onoki. Sasuke could've used any Genjutsu on him as well.
Luckily Sasuke's fighting style isn't genjutsu based, like Itachi's.
Even Minato looked straight into Tobi's eyes, multiple times, for extended periods of time.....If that had been Itachi, Minato would've probably been dead shortly. So that shows, not many people take cautious or consideration into Genjutsu, EVEN if their an Kage.
Besides Lady Chiyo only knew about Sharingan, because she fought an Sharingan user before. Even her advice were to run from an Sharingan user, if it's an 1 on 1. However, even Lady Chiyo, didn't know about the Mangekyou Sharingan. Kakashi knew because he experienced it once before, and Kakashi told Chiyo about it, and Lady chiyo knew ''nothing'' about that.
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covered some of what you said in my updated post
, I mean we have people like Minato,Mizukage,Gaara,A ,shee,darui, clearly lookign at sasukes mangekyou......and you wan't to randomly assume raikage can combat it? ^The ONLY people who would develop ways to beat sharingan users, are people who've fought them many times before, and lived to tell the tale, who you ask can probaly fight without eye contact?
1st hokage -Endless war between senju and uchiha
2nd hokage-Endless war between senju and uchiha
Gai- Rivalry between Kakashi and him, fought many times developed counter
Chiyo- Fought uchiha before
and i can't assume that 1st and 2nd didnt look into uchiha's eyes, maybe they were confident in their ability to break genjutsu easily, so it didnt matter..
Lol even knowing not to look into their eyes isn't enough, Kakashi had a sharingan and knew he shouldn't be looking into itachi's eyes and still did it, and clearly couldn't fight itachi without looking into his eyes, because he has no training in doing it, Gai on the other hand uses that technique to fight kakashi, instinctively if thats how you are accustomed to fighting, that's how you do it
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Itachi Namikaze
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Well I have read your posts so far and I can't decide whether you are being an irrational hater or you just vastly underestimate Itachi.
I believe earlier you agreed to the statement that Ino could possibly beat Itachi, which is ridiculous. The only info that would help Ino defeat Itachi is the info on where he sleeps.
To the bolded part, why do you assume that the raikage would be the most informed person in the village? That is not a prerequisite for the position of kage. I can't picture A being the most informed person in Kumo, and I'm pretty sure he is exactly like his dad (basically a weaker version).
And along with that same argument it is pointless, you mentioned Chiyo knowing about the sharingan, what did she say to do if you find yourself one vs. one against a sharingan user? TO RUN, because otherwise you would be trapped in a genjutsu, and that is even more true for Itachi who is possibly the greatest genjutsu user in the manga. (He is by feats that we have seen at least)
Also being informed can only help so much, kakashi fought Itachi, and kakashi knows as much as the sharingan as basically anyone other than an Uchiha, and guess what? He got beaten extremely easily. And Guy's method of not looking at his eyes would be useless against Itachi's genjutsu since he can cast regular genjutsu with other body parts as well.
(Also that is by far the most idiotic strategy I have ever heard, Might Guy is an idiot. If you only watch their feet, how are you supposed to keep track of anything at eye level or above? It is impossible. So if Itachi were to use Amaterasu and someone was looking at his feet, then they would never see it coming, so it is an autoloss for that person. Naruto came up with a better idea of just not looking at his eyes, which still doesn't help against the regular genjutsu.)
And lastly, earlier you made a sarcastic statement that went something like "Itachi's regular genjutsu is enough to fight people like blah blah blah, etc."
Well it actually is. How many fights has Itachi been in? And how many has he started off with regular genjutsu? And the board says- all of them. And how many people were able to break the genjutsu before something bad happened to them?
Kakashi-No
Kurenai-No
Orochimaru-No
Deidara-No
Naruto - not really, he was broken out of it by others not himself
Sasuke- part 1 no, part 2 yes but again he didn't see through the last one.
Killer Bee - yes, because he is a perfect jinchurikki (which wouldn't help against his Tsukuyomi, Sasuke's yes but not Itachi's)
So my whole point is that Itachi can catch anyone with any genjutsu except for Bee, who he can catch with Tsukuyomi if he needed to. And on top of that you probably didn't read my reasoning of why the third couldn't hit Itachi, but Itachi's Susanoo has the Yata mirror, so the third raikage's attacks would be completely useless. He could do nothing other than wait for Itachi to kill him or genjutsu him into killing himself.
Please post a good counter argument if you have any. If not at least tell me how you think the third raikage could hit Itachi. How?
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Itachi Namikaze
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Well I am a huge fan of genjutsu but KA can be broken. And genjutsu can probably be avoided, there has to be some sort of distance or radius or eye contact. Some means of activating the genjutsu. You can't just say genjutsu activate and hope it works.
But back to my point, KA can be broken. It's main thing is that no one can know it is being used on them. It is like a normal genjutsu except for the fact that the victim can't ever figure out for themselves that they are in a genjutsu. That is what Itachi said. So they would need someone to tell them that they are in a genjutsu. Which depending on the circumstances could be right away, or might not happen at all.
Anyway if you read my posts on this thread I argued passionately for genjutsu usage, this wasn't an attack on genjutsu.
Yea thats the thing i stated about ka, if no one is there too tell you you're in his genjutsu, you are just about screwed because you think you're doing the actions on your own, thus won't try breaking a genjutsu,
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itachi is just 2 nice! he is a pure genius,master genjutsu,has good taijutsu,ms and is very brilliant. itachi wins but has a tuff time considering A speed and strength