[Discussion] 10 reasons why the Coloseum fighters are fodders

[Bogard]

1- We have Chinjao in a sick and old state who was capable to give Luffy a mid difficulty fight

2- We have Lao G who in a weakened state(with compressed youth muscles) who gave a fight to old and weakened Chinjao(worse than in the coloseum) and ultimately defeated him while he was off-guard with his ultimate mode of his

3- We have Sai who defeated monster form Lao G

4- We have Orlumbus who is still around fighting some officers(tanked Lao G's punch ones notably)

5- We have Ideo who was his equal during the tournament and is current fighting one of Doflamingo's strongest officers(and will probably defeat him by getting his amount of comparable power-up to Sai's judging by how closely related their portrayal have been so far)

6- We have Harjudin who(arguably) came out with the strongest punch ever seen in this manga and defeating one of Doflamingo's officers(Machvise)

7- We have Bellamy who could bypass Luffy's armament

8- We have Elizabello who is hyped to possess a punch capable to KO a yonkou, who could wipe everyone in his block(including Bellamy and other reputed strong fighters like Blue Gily) and whose light version could(with some help) destroy the arm of one of Doflamingo's strongest subordinates(Pica)

9- We have Bartolomeo who could defeat Hack, Bellamy, Elizabello, a marine HQ vice-admiral(Maynard)

10- We have Cavendish who could match Chinjao's strength, who in Hakuba mode could wipe out the strongest fighters in his block in an instant and is currently fighting the portrayed strongest executive in the Donquixote family(and will likely defeat him)

Because they were new arc characters, narutobase members always used to label these ones as coloseum fodders. Yeah we now see how fodders they are

This is just an example that perfectly shows why portrayal is more important than feats. I've said plenty of times that the word "weaklink" is overused here around especially when a new character is introduced. Because it's hard to accept that a new character can be stronger than we expect, we immediately label him as weak because of lack of feats People are so fixated on feats that it's not even funny.

I'll finish this by saying this once again. Cavendish is portrayed to be a monster trio level fighter and Hakuba may actually be stronger than the M3. So don't be surprised if he ends up proving it

 

[ultraChalk]

I agree they are all extremely powerful.

Most hyped for Ideo and his explosive punches though, can't WAIT for him to take down that dellinger *******.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1- I'll finish this by saying this once again. Cavendish is portrayed to be a monster trio level fighter and Hakuba may actually be stronger than the M3. So don't be surprised if he ends up proving it

BS. Zoro is fighting Pica, Luffy is fighting Doflamingo, and Cavendish, with help from Robin and Barto, is fighting Gladius. Cavendish clearly isn't portrayed as M3 level. Hakuba couldn't even hit Rebecca and he only beat 30 fodders.

 

[Bogard]

BS. Zoro is fighting Pica, Luffy is fighting Doflamingo, and Cavendish, with help from Robin and Barto, is fighting Gladius. Cavendish clearly isn't portrayed as M3 level. Hakuba couldn't even hit Rebecca and he only beat 30 fodders.

Robin isn't there anymore and last time we saw them, Cavendish was engaging Gladius in battle on his own. Not to mention, don't forget Trebol still has no opponent currently. It's still possible that Cavendish will end up fighting him, so let's not completely rule out that possibility, but even if it didn't happen, the opponent you fight isn't the only way to prove your worth. You can also prove your worth via actual feats and the amount of difficulties required. For example, Sai fought Lao G(who isn't a top executive), but his kicking feat was above Sanji's, so because Cavendish is facing Gladius currently doesn't prove he won't show godly level feats. Like i've said his current portrayal suggest he may be above the current M3 and i already made a long thread explaining that:

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[LitzSabr]

I can see why this was made Lol so why not talk about that too. I didn't particularly found them interesting when they were all introduced first in just like one chapter, but now am definitely hyped for some of the fights they will be having and for seeing them again in the series, seeing how how most of them have been developed and some who are gonna be.
And ofc, like you said, they aren't fodders. Sai just did a continent splitting attack(just look at the DC). And then there's Cavendish who is most likely the strongest of the colosseum fighters.

 

[Bogard]

I can see why this was made Lol so why not talk about that too. I didn't particularly found them interesting when they were all introduced first in just like one chapter, but now am definitely hyped for some of the fights they will be having and for seeing them again in the series, seeing how how most of them have been developed and some who are gonna be.
And ofc, like you said, they aren't fodders. Sai just did a continent splitting attack(just look at the DC). And then there's Cavendish who is most likely the strongest of the colosseum fighters.

Lol i just simply avoided it on purpose because narutobase isn't ready for that topic yet, so better start up posting things gradually than brutally

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Nah ... Cavendish is portrayal on Barto lvl.

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He can't even release sword from Luffy's hand which exhausted after fight Chinjao.

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[Bogard]

Nah ... Cavendish is portrayal on Barto lvl.

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He can't even release sword from Luffy's hand which exhausted after fight Chinjao.

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Well the least i could say is that this is a curious reading comprehension but i'm not going to counter this argument again since i already did it plenty of times and it's not the point of the topic anyway. I'm fairly confident time will give me reason on this and you'll all see and don't be surprised if it happens

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Well the least i could say is that this is a curious reading comprehension but i'm not going to counter this argument again since i already did it plenty of times and it's not the point of the topic anyway. I'm fairly confident time will give me reason on this and you'll all see and don't be surprised if it happens

That's fine by me. I'm fairly confident time will give me reason on this and you'll see that he is below Sanji ... and don't be surprised if it happens.

 

[Bogard]

That's fine by me. I'm fairly confident time will give me reason on this and you'll see that he is below Sanji ... and don't be surprised if it happens.

I actually give Sanji the benefit of doubt over Cavendish currently myself. I'm just saying however that he is on his level. Whether below or above is just subjective.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

I actually give Sanji the benefit of doubt over Cavendish currently myself. I'm just saying however that he is on his level. Whether below or above is just subjective.

Okay ... and I'm forget to say, I never separate Cavendish with Hakuba... I mean Sanji > Cavendish (Hakuba include). But, I'm wrong or not, only time can prove it.

 

[Bogard]

Okay ... and I'm forget to say, I never separate Cavendish with Hakuba... I mean Sanji > Cavendish (Hakuba include). But, I'm wrong or not only time can prove it.

Then i can already tell you in advance that you're wrong. The lowest estimation that Hakuba gets portrayal-wise is Zoro level and that's when i lower the estimation to the extremes because at the highest estimations, he is above even Luffy like i've said. Obviously not going to change your judgement though. We'll see in the end

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

1- We have Chinjao in a sick and old state who was capable to give Luffy a mid difficulty fight

2- We have Lao G who in a weakened state(with compressed youth muscles) who gave a fight to old and weakened Chinjao(worse than in the coloseum) and ultimately defeated him while he was off-guard with his ultimate mode of his

3- We have Sai who defeated monster form Lao G

4- We have Orlumbus who is still around fighting some officers(tanked Lao G's punch ones notably)

5- We have Ideo who was his equal during the tournament and is current fighting one of Doflamingo's strongest officers(and will probably defeat him by getting his amount of comparable power-up to Sai's judging by how closely related their portrayal have been so far)

6- We have Harjudin who(arguably) came out with the strongest punch ever seen in this manga and defeating one of Doflamingo's officers(Machvise)

7- We have Bellamy who could bypass Luffy's armament

8- We have Elizabello who is hyped to possess a punch capable to KO a yonkou, who could wipe everyone in his block(including Bellamy and other reputed strong fighters like Blue Gily) and whose light version could(with some help) destroy the arm of one of Doflamingo's strongest subordinates(Pica)

9- We have Bartolomeo who could defeat Hack, Bellamy, Elizabello, a marine HQ vice-admiral(Maynard)

10- We have Cavendish who could match Chinjao's strength, who in Hakuba mode could wipe out the strongest fighters in his block in an instant and is currently fighting the portrayed strongest executive in the Donquixote family(and will likely defeat him)

Because they were new arc characters, narutobase members always used to label these ones as coloseum fodders. Yeah we now see how fodders they are

This is just an example that perfectly shows why portrayal is more important than feats. I've said plenty of times that the word "weaklink" is overused here around especially when a new character is introduced. Because it's hard to accept that a new character can be stronger than we expect, we immediately label him as weak because of lack of feats People are so fixated on feats that it's not even funny.

I'll finish this by saying this once again. Cavendish is portrayed to be a monster trio level fighter and Hakuba may actually be stronger than the M3. So don't be surprised if he ends up proving it

You say this too much. You're obviously welcome to your own opinion but stop shoving it down peoples throats just because you get some disagreement. Learn to let go.

 

[Bogard]

You say this too much. You're obviously welcome to your own opinion but stop shoving it down peoples throats just because you get some disagreement. Learn to let go.

I'm not trying that all. I just find it glorious to give a fact(that many people disagree with) in advance before the manga proves me right

 

[Hexuze]

And what if Hakuba doesn't turn out to be stronger than the M3? Or Cavendish isn't M3 level, would you admit that you're wrong?

OT: I disagree, Chinjao is actually strong & same goes with the other colosseum members. Just because they aren't M3 level, doesn't make them fodders. (unless you're exaggerating)

 

[Bogard]

And what if Hakuba doesn't turn out to be stronger than the M3? Or Cavendish isn't M3 level, would you admit that you're wrong?

OT: I disagree, Chinjao is actually strong & same goes with the other colosseum members. Just because they aren't M3 level, doesn't make them fodders. (unless you're exaggerating)

I obviously will, but it's highly unlikely to happen. This manga is written by Oda, not Kishimoto. He follows some consistency in his story and for his story to be consistent, it's the least that should happen imo

By the way, i think you didn't read the thread

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nah ... Cavendish is portrayal on Barto lvl.

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He can't even release sword from Luffy's hand which exhausted after fight Chinjao.

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Nah man, even in his strongest mode(Hakuba) he couldn't defeat even Rebecca.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You say this too much. You're obviously welcome to your own opinion but stop shoving it down peoples throats just because you get some disagreement. Learn to let go.

He's a Cavendish fanboy. He couldn't even put down Rebecca, but he's on the same level as M3. Riiiight.

 

[Bogard]

Nah man, even in his strongest mode(Hakuba) he couldn't defeat even Rebecca.

You talk as if his goal was to defeat Rebecca when he was just randomnly zigzagging here and there. If we're really going to use plot instances to downplay a character, i could easily say that Luffy couldn't defeat Hyouzou in gear second, lost to Caesar. Is he really M3 level?

 

[chopstickchakra]

1- We have Chinjao in a sick and old state who was capable to give Luffy a mid difficulty fight

2- We have Lao G who in a weakened state(with compressed youth muscles) who gave a fight to old and weakened Chinjao(worse than in the coloseum) and ultimately defeated him while he was off-guard with his ultimate mode of his

3- We have Sai who defeated monster form Lao G

4- We have Orlumbus who is still around fighting some officers(tanked Lao G's punch ones notably)

5- We have Ideo who was his equal during the tournament and is current fighting one of Doflamingo's strongest officers(and will probably defeat him by getting his amount of comparable power-up to Sai's judging by how closely related their portrayal have been so far)

6- We have Harjudin who(arguably) came out with the strongest punch ever seen in this manga and defeating one of Doflamingo's officers(Machvise)

7- We have Bellamy who could bypass Luffy's armament

8- We have Elizabello who is hyped to possess a punch capable to KO a yonkou, who could wipe everyone in his block(including Bellamy and other reputed strong fighters like Blue Gily) and whose light version could(with some help) destroy the arm of one of Doflamingo's strongest subordinates(Pica)

9- We have Bartolomeo who could defeat Hack, Bellamy, Elizabello, a marine HQ vice-admiral(Maynard)

10- We have Cavendish who could match Chinjao's strength, who in Hakuba mode could wipe out the strongest fighters in his block in an instant and is currently fighting the portrayed strongest executive in the Donquixote family(and will likely defeat him)

Because they were new arc characters, narutobase members always used to label these ones as coloseum fodders. Yeah we now see how fodders they are

This is just an example that perfectly shows why portrayal is more important than feats. I've said plenty of times that the word "weaklink" is overused here around especially when a new character is introduced. Because it's hard to accept that a new character can be stronger than we expect, we immediately label him as weak because of lack of feats People are so fixated on feats that it's not even funny.

I'll finish this by saying this once again. Cavendish is portrayed to be a monster trio level fighter and Hakuba may actually be stronger than the M3. So don't be surprised if he ends up proving it

You made good a good point until the end. Cavendish I can't see beating Luffy and I highly highly doubt he could out sword Zoro. Maybe, maybe Sanji depending on how fast he has really gotten, which leads me to my next point Hakuba Cavendish. Hakuba Cavendish is fast no question but is it faster than Gear Second or Soru, I don't think he is. If Sanji has gotten crazy faster which it's likely he has since he can air walk now he may e too fast even for Hakuba. It would be tough I think Luffy wins both Zoro beats Cavendish maybe not Hakuba and I think Sanji beats Hakuba maybe not Cavendish. I'd say he's definitely right behind the M3.