[Discussion] 10 reasons why the Coloseum fighters are fodders

[OG sama]

Normally I agree with you, but I just can't agree with you on this one, base Cavendish cant even defeat Gladius. While M3 level Zoro is fighting a top executive. And it seems that Cavendish needs to turn in to hakuba just to beat Gladius. Base Cavendish isn't M3 level, but hakuba might be. But Luffy is about to fight Mingo and most likely solo him. Cavendish/Hakuba hasn't had that portrayal. Chinjao feat hardly matters. Luffy was toying with Chinjao and Luffy stopped Cavendish sword with his hands in base.

I like Cavendish as well, but even without a limit its kind of hard to tell where he ranks. But he probably is M3 level with Hakuba, but I think Luffy is far ahead of hakuba at this point. Luffy may be significantly above the M3 after his battle with doflamingo.

I'm going to wait for more feats, but I'm pretty sure without a limit he would be on the same level as Zoro and Sanji.

 

[bajram]

Hakuba stronger then M3? Not really, maybe as strong as Sanji but not Luffy, do u actually think hakuba would be able to give a fight to doflamingo?

But yeah I agree, the colosseum fighters are pretty strong and cool, for me one of the best thing together with DD family that happened after the timeskip it just changed the routine of only SHs fighting the bad guys all the time, I like them very much.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Cavendish (no Hakuba) isn't even stronger than Gladius, there's no way he's M3 level.

 

[Bogard]

Cavendish (no Hakuba) isn't even stronger than Gladius, there's no way he's M3 level.

Where is it mentioned that he isn't stronger than Gladius? They never fought against each other. There were always interruptions and neither were really going at it seriously. Besides, Gladius isn't weak. He is the strongest executive(bar the seats), someone who could tank a jet stamp from Luffy with zero damage(while he was off-guard) and later on Viola even asked Luffy to avoid fighting against him because he was a "nasty one" to fight with, probably realising it would take long and they had no time to waste

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Where is it mentioned that he isn't stronger than Gladius? They never fought against each other. There were always interruptions and neither were really going at it seriously. Besides, Gladius isn't weak. He is the strongest executive(bar the seats), someone who could tank a jet stamp from Luffy with zero damage(while he was off-guard) and later on Viola even asked Luffy to avoid fighting against him because he was a "nasty one" to fight with, probably realising it would take long and they had no time to waste

Zoro is fighting the strongest seat, Luffy is fighting Doflamingo, and Cavendish(with help from Barto) is fighting the strongest normal Executive. He isn't portrayed as M3 level.

 

[Bogard]

Zoro is fighting the strongest seat, Luffy is fighting Doflamingo, and Cavendish(with help from Barto) is fighting the strongest normal Executive. He isn't portrayed as M3 level.

Punk Hazard Zoro was fighting normal executive Monet(with Tashigi's help). Punk Hazard Luffy was fighting subordinate Caesar. Punk Hazard Law was fighting seat member Vergo. Zoro and Luffy weren't portrayed to be Law level? Lol

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Since we are skipping talk the colloseum kids, and focusing on Cavendish...here are my thoughts.

Cavendish in his typical state is probably on a level comparable to Gladius and Bartolomeo.

He's above the regular executives and other coloseum allies, but he's probably slightly below the top executives.

When he awakens his alter ego of Hakuba, I'd say he's arguably comparable to the top executives. He one shot Dellinger.

In one second he defeated all of D block minus Rebecca who would be done had Hakuba been awake for even half a second more.


I'd say Cavendish loses to the M3 mid diff. His usual form should be solidly conveyed by the M3 (like Chinjao), Hakuba would pose a legitimate fight, but he wouldn't be awake enough to actually win.


Its be like if Ennis Lobby had Kaku fall asleep halfway through his fight with Zoro....it started building as a good fight, but ends way too fast.

Punk Hazard Zoro was fighting normal executive Monet(with Tashigi's help). Punk Hazard Luffy was fighting subordinate Caesar. Punk Hazard Law was fighting seat member Vergo. Zoro and Luffy weren't portrayed to be Law level? Lol

Zoro was watching Monet fight. Then cut her in half and mind ****ed her.

Luffy underestimated Ceasar, then had to fight him when Ceasar added on a dangerous toxin that he normally doesn't have. And was still beat without any true struggle.

Law got blitzed by Vergo, and honestly lucked out that Vergo got arrogant.

I'd say that Luffy and Law are portrayed as equals.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Punk Hazard Zoro was fighting normal executive Monet(with Tashigi's help). Punk Hazard Luffy was fighting subordinate Caesar. Punk Hazard Law was fighting seat member Vergo. Zoro and Luffy weren't portrayed to be Law level? Lol

Cavendish is actually struggling, unlike Zoro, who one shotted Monet no diff, and when Luffy was serious, he very low diffed Caesar. If Bartolomeo wasn't there to help Cavendish, Punk Rock Fest would have killed Cavendish.

 

[Bogard]

Cavendish is actually struggling, unlike Zoro, who one shotted Monet no diff, and when Luffy was serious, he very low diffed Caesar. If Bartolomeo wasn't there to help Cavendish, Punk Rock Fest would have killed Cavendish.

To struggle means to exert a lot of effort in a particular task. I've not seen Cavendish actually struggling, like i've said they didn't even engage properly due to the huge amount of interference. It was to the point where the teamwork between him and Bartolomeo were so bad that instead of fighting together well, they were more like hindrance for one another. Cavendish was even so careless that he barely realised Gladius was leaving traps all around the environment ending up in a difficult position similar to how Blackbeard was careless while facing Magellan or Luffy was careless while facing Caesar the first time. In the condition where he was in(only realising it late), everyone would have been damaged, including Luffy. You seem to forget that Gladius damaged Chinjao before with much smaller bombs even

If they actually had engaged against each other and that we had seen Cavendish actually struggling, you may have had a point, but until now nothing like this happened. I just feel you're jumping the gun too much here, just like with the Chinjao thing, Chinjao(someone who gave Luffy a fight) who was fighting Lao G for a good amount of time and people were starting to underestimate him until we actually heard that he was sick and couldn't fight properly. We never know how the fights will end, so saying Cavendish struggle/will struggle without actually waiting for the fight to go to the conclusion is faulty.