⚽︎ Eurocup 2016 Official Discussion Thread
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I actually beg the difference. Sweden had their decent chances to at least take the lead (not sure if they would have been able to keep it), but what I didn't see coming was Ireland beating Italy and going through, now that was unexpected, even if Italy rested their major players. Then again, Portugal finished 3rd in their group so all in all, I'm not sure whether to be surprised or in different about today's results xd
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Damn, Hungary almost kicked Portugal out of the tournament. They took the lead three times, which was very nice to see. Unfortunately it wasn't enough to maintain the victory. And Sweden.. yeah, they were really disappointing this time.
Did anyone else laugh too while seeing this? xD
Did anyone else laugh too while seeing this? xD
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Exactly. Yup, noticed his facial expression too. Reminds me of Luis Suárez who just starts to bite other people when he's angry. Pretty sad if you ask me.
You know in Belgium there's a running gag about our coach, namely that he has Guy Thys' rabbit's foot (Guy Thys is a previous coach under which Belgium achieved their greatest results, namely runner-up on the Eurocup 1980 and 4th place on the World Cup 1986) as our opponents for the qualifying rounds of the World Cup 2014, the group stage of the World Cup 2014, the qualifying rounds for the Eurocup 2016 and the qualifying rounds for the World Cup 2018 weren't and aren't that particularly intimidating. But then suddenly we had to play against Italy, Ireland and Sweden in the group stage of this Eurocup, so everyone was saying the coach lost the rabbit's foot. However because we lost against Italy we ended up on the 2nd place and as a result we avoid most the big shots. Somehow Germany, France, Italy, Spain and England have to duke it out with each other in the same bracket while we at its earliest can meet a favourite in the semi-final, namely Croatia.
This is also must be a good time to be Scottish. Every country of the British Isles was able to qualify for the main tournament, except Scotland, and now all of them were even made it to the last 16 xd
I'm little scared of Portugal,we never beat them hence we never scored against them either but in the other hand if we play our game I don't think we can lose this in any way.If Modric,Rakitic,Perisic and crew is on their lvl I can see us coming to semi's at least.
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Belgium has clearly a good shot at going to the finals this year, they have a fairly easy road to the final compared to the other finalist.
I think that Croatia will play Belgium on the semis while the other side is a toss up its either gonna be France, Germany or Spain who goes to the final for me Italy is a wild card though so I'm not really sure.
I think that Croatia will play Belgium on the semis while the other side is a toss up its either gonna be France, Germany or Spain who goes to the final for me Italy is a wild card though so I'm not really sure.
I strongly disagree with your opinions xd In my eyes, Ronaldo shows great passion for his team and seeing Hungary score 3 goals like that can get the better of any man when they're doing their best scoring at the other end. I was listening to some pre-match talk before the game yesterday and what one of the "experts" said summed up Ronaldo perfectly. He always shows a great sense of drive to win and when it goes against him and his team, he lets his feelings take the better of him, but that's exactly what's so great about him, as his passion makes the game so much better than what it would have been if he was totally indifferent (as far as you want to take that title of "expert" any more serious than any other man's opinion, but still it made sense and I have to agree). For many it's either to hate or love Ronaldo, and what he did there showed off his great passion and feelings to win, like any man who's in it to win it should, and that is why so many people idolize him. As long as he doesn't lash out on some poor bastard, haha.
So no, I did not laugh, I felt his "pain" and motivation through the screen, and got even more pumped to see Portugal get one back or even win it when I saw his frustration as well. If you can't express feelings when something goes against you then I don't know why we're even watching football to begin with, but that's just me. Watching Ronaldo yesterday was like watching myself and all my friends when a match of FIFA goes the other way in a ridicules fashion xd
PS: With the tournament-tree for the knockout stage, Portugal should be able to reach the final if they play up to their best, but beating Croatia in their current form is going to be hard indeed. I'm still going to keep a small tab on Wales facing off against Portugal in the Semis at the expense of Croatia and Belgium, but it might as well become the two latter instead. Interesting indeed =D
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It's good to be passionate, but it gets ridiculous when you start to behave like a spoiled child. After all, it's just a game, nothing to lose your mind about.
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You mean like he did prior the latest match?
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I wouldn't call that behaving as a spoiled child at all, I would call that getting angry for letting in "easy" goals like that over and over in a game you have to win (and I think you should be able to react when something goes against you over and over again like that without being called childish). But it is Ronaldo, and you kind of have to expect "harmless" outbursts like that from him at this stage though xP. I do agree though, he should be able to control himself a bit more at times for sure (he's far from the worst, I can tell you that – Pepe for one), but I absolutely loved that part myself, sort of like a golden moment that made the game special (it was after all a very special game I must say xO).
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It's not just a game for these guys you know, it's their lives and careers. Same goes for every sport. Sure at the bigger picture of starvation, poverty, global warming and war, it is just a game but I don't see why that is relevant to the topic at hand. In a match as important as this one was, winning/securing a further participation in the tournament meant everything. I am not saying that everyone reacts the same because they don't, that's part of being human.
For instance some of my friends that were with me were laughing and cheering for Hungary as they watched his frustration and were enjoying themselves because of it, but I on the other hand felt that my hope went from rock-bottom to getting rekindled when I saw how much he wanted his team to win instead of feeling like it was game-over and just shaking his head in disappointment, and there and then I knew that Ronaldo would make things right after his outburst, which he did with another goal that made it level again soon after. He kept his motivation and he motivated me as well (sure I can say that Ronaldo at times goes over the top, but in this situation I think his outburst was a good thing. If Nani did the same, I would probably still point out to my friends that Nani is pissed and is going to score another goal now, then too as well like I did with Ronaldo). Not reacting at all wouldn't really suit him in the moment of the game, that is how he his and that is why he's great in my opinion. That's why he's not another bland and colorless character, but one filled with passion and a winning-spirit. It's a take it or leave it when it comes to him, so either you're going to react like you guys did or you're going to come to the same conclusion like I did.
Most people with the same passion as him in the same position would react the same, or at least in a milder fashion. If you're saying you wouldn't get mad in his position, then clearly you're priorities/ambitions lies elsewhere than winning a football match, like you yourself suggested I might add ^_^.
I know it's a dumb comparison, but most people goes bananas when losing "important" games on FIFA, and even destroys their TVs and controllers if it's a last second goal xd I rarely go on a tantrum if I lose a close match in FIFA against my friends, but if they've had 2 shots and 2 goals while I've had 30 and 25 on goal and they still win 2-1, then obviously I'm going to react similar to how Ronaldo did (albeit it was a different situation with two reflection shots going in and 3 long shots out of 3).
For instance some of my friends that were with me were laughing and cheering for Hungary as they watched his frustration and were enjoying themselves because of it, but I on the other hand felt that my hope went from rock-bottom to getting rekindled when I saw how much he wanted his team to win instead of feeling like it was game-over and just shaking his head in disappointment, and there and then I knew that Ronaldo would make things right after his outburst, which he did with another goal that made it level again soon after. He kept his motivation and he motivated me as well (sure I can say that Ronaldo at times goes over the top, but in this situation I think his outburst was a good thing. If Nani did the same, I would probably still point out to my friends that Nani is pissed and is going to score another goal now, then too as well like I did with Ronaldo). Not reacting at all wouldn't really suit him in the moment of the game, that is how he his and that is why he's great in my opinion. That's why he's not another bland and colorless character, but one filled with passion and a winning-spirit. It's a take it or leave it when it comes to him, so either you're going to react like you guys did or you're going to come to the same conclusion like I did.
Most people with the same passion as him in the same position would react the same, or at least in a milder fashion. If you're saying you wouldn't get mad in his position, then clearly you're priorities/ambitions lies elsewhere than winning a football match, like you yourself suggested I might add ^_^.
I know it's a dumb comparison, but most people goes bananas when losing "important" games on FIFA, and even destroys their TVs and controllers if it's a last second goal xd I rarely go on a tantrum if I lose a close match in FIFA against my friends, but if they've had 2 shots and 2 goals while I've had 30 and 25 on goal and they still win 2-1, then obviously I'm going to react similar to how Ronaldo did (albeit it was a different situation with two reflection shots going in and 3 long shots out of 3).
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Please that was hilarious and justified. Would have done the same thing if a company like that had kept on going with what they have been doing to him, probably even pushed the guy away if it was me. In case you are one of those who only read the first news that popped up, you can read a summed up version of why he actually did it here;
But in the bigger version, this is a news company that has been going to extreme lengths to make up ridicules articles about Ronaldo and his family, claiming several absurd things, which this extract from the article above sums up perfectly;
"Ronaldo once sued and won a case against the Portuguese television station on grounds of invasion of privacy, and has boycotted the station since 2014."
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But in the bigger version, this is a news company that has been going to extreme lengths to make up ridicules articles about Ronaldo and his family, claiming several absurd things, which this extract from the article above sums up perfectly;
"Ronaldo once sued and won a case against the Portuguese television station on grounds of invasion of privacy, and has boycotted the station since 2014."
I mean like this xd:
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Michael92, thank you for taking your time to write all that stuff.
The fact that you say you would've done the same doesn't justify it either. No matter how many people act like this, it is still wrong.
Don't want to get called childish? Then simply don't behave like 12 when you are a mature person. You even admitted yourself that Ronny should control himself a bit more.
Yup. Never said he was the worst. But the fact that there are even worse people (Pepe, Suárez etc.) does not justify anything. Bad remains bad.
Even if your life revolves around a game, it's still just a game in the end. Look at the E-Sports guys. They earn their livings with playing videogames. Does it make the videogames lesser a game just because people earn money with it? No.
I didn't even bring that stuff up.
I played football myself, when I was a teenager. My team participated in K.O.-tournaments too, we wanted to win of course, but fun has always been the most important thing. And that's what it should always be. Sure, we got mad too when we lost, but we didn't scream or cry around, even while we were far from being mature. Football, like any other sport, gets boring when people start to take it too serious. That's why I loved the world-cup 2014, the atmosphere on the field was filled with fun and joy most of the time.
Yep, that's a dumb comparison. These people are beyond pathetic.
No, it was not justified. His identity does not grant him a free ticket to destroy someone else's property (the microphone in this case). Your name can be Messi, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Neuer or whatever. No matter how annoying another person is, you simply do not have the right to destroy his/her stuff. He should've ignored that guy, simple as that. They have bodyguards and stuff who will remove people when they behave too annoying.
The fact that you say you would've done the same doesn't justify it either. No matter how many people act like this, it is still wrong.
I was so certain that there would be a "tl:dr" remark inside that spoiler when I saw your first line xd, but thanks for actually taking your time to mount a proper reply =) Sorry for the late reply btw, but here goes...Michael92, thank you for taking your time to write all that stuff.
Don't want to get called childish? Then simply don't behave like 12 when you are a mature person. You even admitted yourself that Ronny should control himself a bit more.
Yup. Never said he was the worst. But the fact that there are even worse people (Pepe, Suárez etc.) does not justify anything. Bad remains bad.
Even if your life revolves around a game, it's still just a game in the end. Look at the E-Sports guys. They earn their livings with playing videogames. Does it make the videogames lesser a game just because people earn money with it? No.
I didn't even bring that stuff up.
I played football myself, when I was a teenager. My team participated in K.O.-tournaments too, we wanted to win of course, but fun has always been the most important thing. And that's what it should always be. Sure, we got mad too when we lost, but we didn't scream or cry around, even while we were far from being mature. Football, like any other sport, gets boring when people start to take it too serious. That's why I loved the world-cup 2014, the atmosphere on the field was filled with fun and joy most of the time.
Yep, that's a dumb comparison. These people are beyond pathetic.
No, it was not justified. His identity does not grant him a free ticket to destroy someone else's property (the microphone in this case). Your name can be Messi, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Neuer or whatever. No matter how annoying another person is, you simply do not have the right to destroy his/her stuff. He should've ignored that guy, simple as that. They have bodyguards and stuff who will remove people when they behave too annoying.
The fact that you say you would've done the same doesn't justify it either. No matter how many people act like this, it is still wrong.
First paragraph: Yup I said that, but I also stated that's how Ronaldo is, and that by now you should be used to seeing him expressing his feelings on the field, so either you accept it like Ronaldo's supporter and those who favors him do, or you find it to be out of place. And it's not only Ronaldo, I've seen similar "cocky" attitudes in other sports as well. As a Norwegian, I'm very used to Peter Northug's attitude, and especially him teasing the Swedes for example, and that is why we Norwegians love him while some others find it to be unsportsmanlike behavior. But back to Ronaldo; his passion and winning-spirit sometimes get the better of him, and also like I said, it's a take it or leave it kind of situation. Someone like me who enjoys Ronaldo's game and consider him a legend in the field of football, I actually enjoyed that outbreak as like I said, I could feel his passion through the screen and therefore I didn't mind it at all. With the hilarious but serious gif of Pepe that I showed in my last post however, I was disgusted of his act even if Real Madrid is my team, so yeah I can be critical as well if so needed (or rather if I find something to be out of order, even if it's a player that I like who commits it). My point is however that I think that's the wrong situation to "take" Ronaldo for. I would rather point out his remark about Iceland after their game as something more worth considering than the outburst which I enjoyed and think was the proper way to react, but even the remark he had after the Iceland game didn't bother me, but some people are more "sensual" than others if you want to point it that way. Someone will always react regardless when it comes to something Ronaldo or Messi does, that is just how it is.
Let's look at it this way... If a team score, the player celebrates often wildly, so why shouldn't a player be able to show despair when something goes against them? It's not like you point out that "damn that celebration was too much of a show, he should definitely tone it down and stop celebrating childish like that". But again like I said, we can have different opinions about it. This is just how I saw that special moment of the game.
Second: Well again that depends on what you deem as bad and good xd While you think his outburst was bad, I think it was in its proper place. Not only that, but I felt motivated to see him get another goal as well, which he did.
Third: Not at all, I've seen super important regional/world "finals" in team battles in Halo for instance, and I've seen the despair in people there as well. My point is people reacts differently. Some people just shake their heads in disappointment, some seeks comfort in others, some sheds a tear, some slams the ground in frustration, others react like Ronaldo did. For instance one of the players in the Hungary team (or maybe it was in the Swedish team, I can't recollect) slipped when trying to clear a ball away from going to a throw, and madly slammed his fist into the ground as an act to show his frustration towards the slippery surface. Like Ronaldo's outburst, I didn't mind that at all and I don't see anyone else commenting on it xD And even if it's just a game, if you can't show emotions whether things goes in your favor or against you then clearly we have different opinions of what should and should not be allowed to come forth in the world of sport. If anything, you could call Ronaldo a bad-loser for showing off such an outburst there, that I can agree on, but calling him childish is like calling someone who sheds a tear for losing a final a baby, or someone who celebrates a goal by dancing a moron, lol.
Fourth: Not directly, no xP But if we're going to call it "just a game," we might as well discuss politics instead, lmao XD
Fifth: I disagree there too to some extent (well I can't say I understand why they do it because I'm able to control myself to a certain degree, but I have a friend who's broken two of his couches and several of his gaming controllers just by losing a friendly's match on FIFA, and while I don't understand why he gets that mad and urge him to calm down a bit, I don't blame him as long as he doesn't end up ruining my property xD) But let's not get into that 8)
Sixth: I think it was hilarious knowing the circumstances, after all it was just a microphone and he could easily repay it. If there wasn't a pond there but a field of grass, no one would have busted his balls as much as they did as the reporter could just go and get it again. But yeah he could have just ignored the reporter for sure and that would have spared him the attention for sure, but many people easily understands why he did it knowing the reason behind it. It was not like he sucker punched the guy xO
And because they are famous, they get the extra attention towards it. So you could argue both ways that they need to control themselves in public to avoid such situations, for sure, but just scrolling through the everyday media and you'll find people getting thrown to the ground on lesser accounts, although that namely seems to happen in the States for some reason, haha.
I'm going to cut it short there (it's already too long isn't it? Sorry...) since I don't think I can express my opinions on the matter to a further degree and because I'd rather focus on the games at hand tomorrow/today with my next post, but I do think your points are fair as well at least concerning the microphone incident, haha. And if you got a reply coming, I'll try to squeeze it in with my other post for sure. You seem to be better at keeping it short than I am anyways, hah...
Let's look at it this way... If a team score, the player celebrates often wildly, so why shouldn't a player be able to show despair when something goes against them? It's not like you point out that "damn that celebration was too much of a show, he should definitely tone it down and stop celebrating childish like that". But again like I said, we can have different opinions about it. This is just how I saw that special moment of the game.
Second: Well again that depends on what you deem as bad and good xd While you think his outburst was bad, I think it was in its proper place. Not only that, but I felt motivated to see him get another goal as well, which he did.
Third: Not at all, I've seen super important regional/world "finals" in team battles in Halo for instance, and I've seen the despair in people there as well. My point is people reacts differently. Some people just shake their heads in disappointment, some seeks comfort in others, some sheds a tear, some slams the ground in frustration, others react like Ronaldo did. For instance one of the players in the Hungary team (or maybe it was in the Swedish team, I can't recollect) slipped when trying to clear a ball away from going to a throw, and madly slammed his fist into the ground as an act to show his frustration towards the slippery surface. Like Ronaldo's outburst, I didn't mind that at all and I don't see anyone else commenting on it xD And even if it's just a game, if you can't show emotions whether things goes in your favor or against you then clearly we have different opinions of what should and should not be allowed to come forth in the world of sport. If anything, you could call Ronaldo a bad-loser for showing off such an outburst there, that I can agree on, but calling him childish is like calling someone who sheds a tear for losing a final a baby, or someone who celebrates a goal by dancing a moron, lol.
Fourth: Not directly, no xP But if we're going to call it "just a game," we might as well discuss politics instead, lmao XD
Fifth: I disagree there too to some extent (well I can't say I understand why they do it because I'm able to control myself to a certain degree, but I have a friend who's broken two of his couches and several of his gaming controllers just by losing a friendly's match on FIFA, and while I don't understand why he gets that mad and urge him to calm down a bit, I don't blame him as long as he doesn't end up ruining my property xD) But let's not get into that 8)
Sixth: I think it was hilarious knowing the circumstances, after all it was just a microphone and he could easily repay it. If there wasn't a pond there but a field of grass, no one would have busted his balls as much as they did as the reporter could just go and get it again. But yeah he could have just ignored the reporter for sure and that would have spared him the attention for sure, but many people easily understands why he did it knowing the reason behind it. It was not like he sucker punched the guy xO
And because they are famous, they get the extra attention towards it. So you could argue both ways that they need to control themselves in public to avoid such situations, for sure, but just scrolling through the everyday media and you'll find people getting thrown to the ground on lesser accounts, although that namely seems to happen in the States for some reason, haha.
I'm going to cut it short there (it's already too long isn't it? Sorry...) since I don't think I can express my opinions on the matter to a further degree and because I'd rather focus on the games at hand tomorrow/today with my next post, but I do think your points are fair as well at least concerning the microphone incident, haha. And if you got a reply coming, I'll try to squeeze it in with my other post for sure. You seem to be better at keeping it short than I am anyways, hah...
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HOLY SWEET JESUS, GOAL OF THE TOURNAMENT!! JUST HAND OUT THE FIFA PUSKAS AWARD FOR 2016 ALREADY!!
Extra time... It can go either way now.
As for the the two later games tonight, something tells me Wales will win a narrow win in ordinary time, maybe 1-0, while Croatia - Portugal is a bit tougher to predict. Based on the past results in the tournament so far, Croatia is the favorite, but after drawing 3 games in a row, I highly doubt this will be another draw and extra time for Portugal. My bet is going to be a narrow 2-1 win to either of the two teams. And Ronaldo? He'll get that goal to equal Platini I'm sure. Either way, looking forward to both those games and the dying minutes of the on-going one. Fingers crossed for a penalty shootout =D
Extra time... It can go either way now.
As for the the two later games tonight, something tells me Wales will win a narrow win in ordinary time, maybe 1-0, while Croatia - Portugal is a bit tougher to predict. Based on the past results in the tournament so far, Croatia is the favorite, but after drawing 3 games in a row, I highly doubt this will be another draw and extra time for Portugal. My bet is going to be a narrow 2-1 win to either of the two teams. And Ronaldo? He'll get that goal to equal Platini I'm sure. Either way, looking forward to both those games and the dying minutes of the on-going one. Fingers crossed for a penalty shootout =D
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Damn, Xherdan Shaqiri! What a goal. In my opinion the most beautiful one of this tournament so far.
Very interesting match so far, it could go either way.
Very interesting match so far, it could go either way.
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