Ψ Hashirama Senju's Truth: Origin Of Wood Release Ψ

[Liquid Snake]

i think his mokuton came from his hard training and mastery of two elements i think he already knows water because he is senju and his natural element is earth so he learned to combined them just like sasuke automatically has fire techniques because he is uchiha but his natural element is lightning so he can use both

 

[didudidu]

If i recall....naruto in cloakmode/kurama also has a sheer life force, didn't??? He affecting yamato's mokuton.....

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

If i recall....naruto in cloakmode/kurama also has a sheer life force, didn't??? He affecting yamato's mokuton.....

thats because Mokuton/Life energy comes from the Shinju, and Kurama is consistent of a considerable amount of Shinju's chakra

Speaking of Yggdrasil, is it not also possible that the Shinjū's roots/essence/life/etc also extends to other realms? Why did Kaguya know about the fruit and travelled from afar to consume it if her culture wasn't tied to the Shinjū one way or another?

Yeah thats what I meant in this part of the theory

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Its also what my next theory will revolve around =D

 

[Princess Kaguya]

Interesting read!
I really never gave much thought to how Wood Release may have originated.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

i think his mokuton came from his hard training and mastery of two elements i think he already knows water because he is senju and his natural element is earth so he learned to combined them just like sasuke automatically has fire techniques because he is uchiha but his natural element is lightning so he can use both

I think you're over analyzing it, the third force (life) is just yang, which has already been covered. The Senju, particularly Asura has mastery over yang release which is required for mokuton. It is true that water plus earth should not give life, but since hashirama is a master of yang chakra, he can do it. Yamato inherited this when he got Hashirama's cells which contained lots of yang release.

I'm sure on some level it's related to the Shinju, and it's interesting to see why he didn't have it in all those previous battles so it might have been given to him, but I won't conclude anything because it's still very open-ended.

Yang is more the body than Life Energy, thats why Uzumaki were Known for their Logitivity and Life Energy, whilst the Senju were known for Body and strong Yang chakra.

and remember Hashirama already had enormous amounts of chakra if im not mistaken compared to Kyuubi's Yang. Something like that dont just happen between 4 brothers of a clan with no previous equal. His chakra was too Great to be a coincidence nor is it logically possible as far as I can tell.

and please re-read this part about the striking similarity between hashis Mokuton and Shinjus

Life Energy of the Shinju is Connected with the Roots of the Tree, and it has the Ability to Absorb Chakra just as Hashiramas Wood can absorb Chakra, it has the Ability to Produce Life Energy, just as Hashiramas Wood Produces Life Energy, and it has the Ability to Create White Zetsus, just as Hashiramas DNA was used for similar purpose.

God: Nativity of a World of Trees technique used by Kaguya "shinju" is very Similar to hashiramas Nativity of a World of Trees even the name,
Like I said, the Similarities between Mokuton, and the Shinjus roots are too much to be Ignored.

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Interesting read!
I really never gave much thought to how Wood Release may have originated.

Thank you! =D

Tbh its the thing I have given most thought to and been facinated by among all other mysteries

Nice theory.
It's surprising that I actually read your theory
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Thanks
why is it surprising?

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the only problem with this is.... kishi prob doesn't have any idea that these points can be connected LOL

thats always a problem Lol

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Ψ Very Enlightening Responses Incorporating Truth And Substantiation Ψ​

haha Ever the Poet, my boy Sparks xd

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

thats because Mokuton/Life energy comes from the Shinju, and Kurama is consistent of a considerable amount of Shinju's chakra

Yeah thats what I meant in this part of the theory

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Its also what my next theory will revolve around =D

I will most certainly be looking forward to its sequel. =D

 

[KingHashirama]

I mostly disagree. Since due to the fact, Ashura himself didn't have Mokuton....

So far we know of this:

Mokuton = Hashirama
Sharingan/Byakugan = Kaguya
Rinnegan = Rikudou
Senjutsu = Juubi

Further more, the infinte tsukuyomi was casted by Madara.. not Kaguya. Madara is the one who used "jukai kouton"... he already knows of this technique.

On top of that, Rikudou himself stated just because the father is a genius doesn't mean the child will be a genius. However, the opposite is also true, a child can be a genius while the parents were not. This is what you call a "genetic mutation". Hashirama was simply nothing more than a guy who got that mutation.

This is very viewable in Naruto, that there is always someone along the line who is stronger than the ones before him, even though his parents were weaker than him. Hiruzen sarutobi... Sasuke Uchiha.. someone who possessed more powerful chakra than Madara Uchiha. It is more related to the luck of genetics and etc.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

I mostly disagree. Since due to the fact, Ashura himself didn't have Mokuton....

So far we know of this:

Mokuton = Hashirama
Sharingan/Byakugan = Kaguya
Rinnegan = Rikudou
Senjutsu = Juubi

Further more, the infinte tsukuyomi was casted by Madara.. not Kaguya. Madara is the one who used "jukai kouton"... he already knows of this technique.

On top of that, Rikudou himself stated just because the father is a genius doesn't mean the child will be a genius. However, the opposite is also true, a child can be a genius while the parents were not. This is what you call a "genetic mutation". Hashirama was simply nothing more than a guy who got that mutation.

This is very viewable in Naruto, that there is always someone along the line who is stronger than the ones before him, even though his parents were weaker than him. Hiruzen sarutobi... Sasuke Uchiha.. someone who possessed more powerful chakra than Madara Uchiha. It is more related to the luck of genetics and etc.

Ashura is irrelevant in this theory. Hamura is the one who inherited his mothers Life Energy, Not hagoromo nor his Son.
Also I would like to add that I mentioned it was "given" to him, so I dont see how Ashura is relevant.

Regarding Jukai Kouton, Kaguya has casted it before

I will most certainly be looking forward to its sequel. =D

Thanks. Will try not to dissappoint =D

 

[blackstar9]

Great theory !

 

[KingHashirama]

Ashura is irrelevant in this theory. Hamura is the one who inherited his mothers Life Energy, Not hagoromo nor his Son.
Also I would like to add that I mentioned it was "given" to him, so I dont see how Ashura is relevant.

Regarding Jukai Kouton, Kaguya has casted it before

@both bolds, so where is the proof of this? There is none.

And no, Rikudou is the one who possessed both yin(Imagination) and yang (Life force) . Hence he was able to use C.O.A.T.... Reason for this is because of he was the Juubi's jinchuriki.

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As for the bolds.

- Kaguya never used Tsukuyomi on a grand scale, because there was no moon. Madara however, did.
- Nor is there any proof of her possessing the power of mokuton. Otherwise she would use it. Not saying she can't in the future.. but right no she does not have mokuton. But most likely it was via the God Tree itself. XD

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

@both bolds, so where is the proof of this? There is none.

And no, Rikudou is the one who possessed both yin(Imagination) and yang (Life force) . Hence he was able to use C.O.A.T.... Reason for this is because of he was the Juubi's jinchuriki.

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As for the bolds.

- Kaguya never used Tsukuyomi on a grand scale, because there was no moon. Madara however, did.
- Nor is there any proof of her possessing the power of mokuton. Otherwise she would use it. Not saying she can't in the future.. but right no she does not have mokuton. But most likely it was via the God Tree itself. XD

On the Bold. I never said she used IT on a large scale. This thread is only about Mokuton

and heres proof my brotha

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and Regarding hagoromo. No they both recieved Yin/Yang, however Hagoromo had the affinity for Yin, whilst Hamura had the Affinity for Yang. To prove this, Hagoromos Yin "Indra" manifested powers easily and Early in age, whilst Ashura "Yang" had to work hard for his.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

haha Ever the Poet, my boy Sparks xd

Haha Thanks!

I also wonder if Hashirama's Wood Dragon represents Níðhöggr in Norse mythology, then what, if any connection is there between that, and the Wood Golem which is usually shown/used in tandem with the Wood Dragon.

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[KingHashirama]

On the Bold. I never said she used IT on a large scale. This thread is only about Mokuton

and heres proof my brotha

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and Regarding hagoromo. No they both recieved Yin/Yang, however Hagoromo had the affinity for Yin, whilst Hamura had the Affinity for Yang. To prove this, Hagoromos Yin "Indra" manifested powers easily and Early in age, whilst Ashura "Yang" had to work hard for his.

I fail to realize how that scan you provided has any connection to Hamura...My friend, the Jukai Kouton was used because the Infinte tsukuyomi was on a grand scale.

Now you make the assumption that Hagoromo and Hamura both recieved yin and yang. However, the matter of the fact is the one who was able to use both, is the one who later became known as the Sage of the 6 Paths.

Also , for a parrellel point of view regarding the brothers. Naruto = Hagoromo, Sasuke = Hamura. So if we go by that logically Hamura is the one who recieved the Yin side, not Hagoromo.

However, Hamura is irrelevant to Hagoromo and passing of life force. Due to the fact he became the Juubi's jinchuriki. Juubi is the one responsible for all the other KKGS, when he gave away the juubi's chakra for his "ninshuu".

The reason why Ashura awakaned his powers later on is due to the same exact fact that Hashirama started using Mokuton past his kid years. Because Life force (yang) = Physical energy, it resides in the person's cells. It is trained by working hard, notice that Ashura had to constantly keep working hard, to unlock his powers, similar to Hashirama who unlocked Mokuton later on.

Madara unlocked his sharingan long before Hashirama unlocked Mokuton<<< Just like Indra and Ashura:

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[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

I fail to realize how that scan you provided has any connection to Hamura...My friend, the Jukai Kouton was used because the Infinte tsukuyomi was on a grand scale.

Now you make the assumption that Hagoromo and Hamura both recieved yin and yang. However, the matter of the fact is the one who was able to use both, is the one who later became known as the Sage of the 6 Paths.

Also , for a parrellel point of view regarding the brothers. Naruto = Hagoromo, Sasuke = Hamura. So if we go by that logically Hamura is the one who recieved the Yin side, not Hagoromo.

However, Hamura is irrelevant to Hagoromo and passing of life force. Due to the fact he became the Juubi's jinchuriki. Juubi is the one responsible for all the other KKGS, when he gave away the juubi's chakra for his "ninshuu".

The reason why Ashura awakaned his powers later on is due to the same exact fact that Hashirama started using Mokuton past his kid years. Because Life force (yang) = Physical energy, it resides in the person's cells. It is trained by working hard, notice that Ashura had to constantly keep working hard, to unlock his powers, similar to Hashirama who unlocked Mokuton later on.

Madara unlocked his sharingan long before Hashirama unlocked Mokuton<<< Just like Indra and Ashura:

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No that Scan was to prove Kaguya could use Mokuton

and Regarding the matter of Hagoromo and Hamura I have already made several threads about, the Majority agrees its Completely Illogical for hagoromo to have been the Yang, when he is the One who recieved Jubi's eyes "Spiritual Power"
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However, Hamura is irrelevant to Hagoromo and passing of life force. Due to the fact he became the Juubi's jinchuriki. Juubi is the one responsible for all the other KKGS, when he gave away the juubi's chakra for his "ninshuu".

You forget Kaguya = The Shinju after she ate the Fruit, so Hamura being her Son, had half of her power no Doubt ^_^

The reason why Ashura awakaned his powers later on is due to the same exact fact that Hashirama started using Mokuton past his kid years. Because Life force (yang) = Physical energy, it resides in the person's cells. It is trained by working hard, notice that Ashura had to constantly keep working hard, to unlock his powers, similar to Hashirama who unlocked Mokuton later on.

This is true, but only because it wasnt Strong enough at Birth. Remember Nagato's Chakra was Great even when he was just a kid, due to being Uzumaki, meaning he didnt have to work for it inorder to Awaken it, Neither did Naruto, their training merely "Strengthned" it.
Had he been Born with Kaguya's Yang "which u say passed down from hagoromo", Ashura would have Undoubtly been OP since Birth.

 

[Nakagami]

Another amazing thread, my genius friend, and I can't wait for your next theory! I <3 Norse Mythology!

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Haha Thanks!

I also wonder if Hashirama's Wood Dragon represents Níðhöggr in Norse mythology, then what, if any connection is there between that, and the Wood Golem which is usually shown/used in tandem with the Wood Dragon.

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The Golem is likely based on Ryūtōki (Dragon Lamp Demon), a creature from Japanese myths, usually seen as an Oni with a dragon around its torso. Together with Tentōki (Heavenly Lamp Demon), they symbolise the power of the Shitennō to repel and defeat evil.

Kishi has combined Aspects about the Dragon from several myths including buddhism, hinduism, and norse mythology

Another amazing thread, my genius friend, and I can't wait for your next theory! I <3 Norse Mythology!

Thank you! =D

 

[KingHashirama]

No that Scan was to prove Kaguya could use Mokuton

and Regarding the matter of Hagoromo and Hamura I have already made several threads about, the Majority agrees its Completely Illogical for hagoromo to have been the Yang, when he is the One who recieved Jubi's eyes "Spiritual Power"
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You forget Kaguya = The Shinju after she ate the Fruit, so Hamura being her Son, had half of her power no Doubt ^_^

This is true, but only because it wasnt Strong enough at Birth. Remember Nagato's Chakra was Great even when he was just a kid, due to being Uzumaki, meaning he didnt have to work for it inorder to Awaken it, Neither did Naruto, their training merely "Strengthned" it.
Had he been Born with Kaguya's Yang "which u say passed down from hagoromo", Ashura would have Undoubtly been OP since Birth.

But it didn't prove that she could use Mokuton.

The majority is probably idiots then (joke), however if the majority believes that then they are disagreeing with what is in the manga, in the manga it is shown that the one who possessed BOTH is Hagoromo , and later on he passes down the Yin to the Uchiha, and the Yang to Senju. Hamura has nothing in this. Senju and Uchiha =/= Kaguya's powers.. Furthermore, Rinnegan = Yin and Yang. Just so you know.

And again you are making a statement that has no validity in the manga. When Kaguya ate the fruit she did not become the juubi itself. Also Hamura has shown to possess the byakugan.. just so you know.

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Also, sadly you are wrong again. Senju have a bigger life force than the Uzumaki. If Nagato had a strong life force like Hashirama he would've been able to use Mokuton he was simple uzumaki boy Madara found and planted the rinnegan into, because of the senju lineage. Hashirama's life force > Any other who came after and before him, except Hagoromo himself.

Andddd you did not understand what i just said in the above posts regarding working hard.

Hashirama was born with strong life force, that he was stronger than Madara despite the fact Madara had awakened the Sharingan already, who was a prodigy. However, Mokuton was unlocked when he kept training. He however, already possessed the power of Mokuton, simply couldn't "bloom" it. Just like Ashura had already possessed the strong chakra but simply couldn't "bloom" it. But both did when they trained.

Naruto himself does not possess that strong of a life force.

 

[ssjsage]

Good theory bro! Let me know when the next one comes out

 

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But it didn't prove that she could use Mokuton.

The majority is probably idiots then (joke), however if the majority believes that then they are disagreeing with what is in the manga, in the manga it is shown that the one who possessed BOTH is Hagoromo , and later on he passes down the Yin to the Uchiha, and the Yang to Senju. Hamura has nothing in this. Senju and Uchiha =/= Kaguya's powers.. Furthermore, Rinnegan = Yin and Yang. Just so you know.

And again you are making a statement that has no validity in the manga. When Kaguya ate the fruit she did not become the juubi itself. Also Hamura has shown to possess the byakugan.. just so you know.

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Also, sadly you are wrong again. Senju have a bigger life force than the Uzumaki. If Nagato had a strong life force like Hashirama he would've been able to use Mokuton he was simple uzumaki boy Madara found and planted the rinnegan into, because of the senju lineage. Hashirama's life force > Any other who came after and before him, except Hagoromo himself.

Andddd you did not understand what i just said in the above posts regarding working hard.

Hashirama was born with strong life force, that he was stronger than Madara, who was a prodigy. However, Mokuton was unlocked when he kept training. He however, already possessed the power of Mokuton, simply couldn't "bloom" it. Just like Ashura had already possessed the strong chakra but simply couldn't "bloom" it. But both did when they trained.

Naruto himself does not possess that strong of a life force.

But it didn't prove that she could use Mokuton.

Yes it Did, looky here, thats Mokuton she's Using for heavens sake

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The majority is probably idiots then (joke), however if the majority believes that then they are disagreeing with what is in the manga, in the manga it is shown that the one who possessed BOTH is Hagoromo , and later on he passes down the Yin to the Uchiha, and the Yang to Senju. Hamura has nothing in this. Senju and Uchiha =/= Kaguya's powers.. Furthermore, Rinnegan = Yin and Yang. Just so you know.

Hagoromos "Yin"and Hagoromos "Yang" and there is no evidence or any hint that hagoromo could use Mokuton.
and if you Read this thread I linked you will have your answer about "Rinnegan" (Just so you know)

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And again you are making a statement that has no validity in the manga. When Kaguya ate the fruit she did not become the juubi itself. Also Hamura has shown to possess the byakugan.. just so you know.

In recent Chapter BZ stated Kaguya and the Jubi were One.

However put that aside, Kaguya ate the Fruit which contains the chakra of the Jubi, Jubi = Chakra. She was every bit of Jubi as Jubi was. She has the eye to prove it, and the fact that it took the entire shinju tree to Revive Kaguyas "powers" which was stated to (Surpass) even that of Jubi. Just so you know

Also, sadly you are wrong again. Senju have a bigger life force than the Uzumaki. If Nagato had a strong life force like Hashirama he would've been able to use Mokuton he was simple uzumaki boy Madara found and planted the rinnegan into, because of the senju lineage. Hashirama's life force > Any other who came after and before him, except Hagoromo himself.

This is a total mess mate. First of all Senju's Do not have a Bigger life force than Uzumaki, they have a Stronger Body Chakra, But longitvity and Life Energy is something Uzumaki's known for.
And I was talking about Ashura not hashiama, the whole theory revolves around Hashirama "obtaining" that life force so you cant comapre him to Nagato
Sigh..you dont think things completely through dude and I have to clean up the mess, its late here

Andddd you did not understand what i just said in the above posts regarding working hard.

Hashirama was born with strong life force, that he was stronger than Madara, who was a prodigy. However, Mokuton was unlocked when he kept training. He however, already possessed the power of Mokuton, simply couldn't "bloom" it. Just like Ashura had already possessed the strong chakra but simply couldn't "bloom" it. But both did when they trained.

No I already understood. But what you say is Wrong because if that were true other Senjus would have awakened it as well. He was not the only one hard working im sure. But if you are saying its because he is Ashuras Reincarnation, then Naruto should have been Able to Awaken Mokuton as well being Ashuras Reincarnation, and Having Great Life force.
and if you blame the Elements, Naruto has all the elements and Several Kekkeigenkai's now + Hagoromos ENTIRE Yang in other words "Ashuras power" infact Naruto is the combination of Two Ashuras sort of, 1- He was already Ashuras Re-incarnation, 2-Hagoromo gave him his Own Yang half "aka another Ashura" So I see no reason why Naruto wouldnt be able to use Mokuton if what you say is true

Lastly, there is no evidence in the Manga stating either Hagoromo or Ashura could use Wood Style at all. Hashirama was said to be the only one, aside from Kaguya and Shinju.

 

[KingHashirama]

I'll reply to your post at night. ^^^ So make sure to check back. And might wanna re-edit it though, you added some stuff I never said.

Also, no that does not mean she was using Mokuton.. She could have just manipulated the god tree itself.. just so you know.

Mokuton = creating wood yourself. Not manipulating the god tree that is already wood.