Shinju itself can use/is Mokuton, produce Tree's/extend branches, absorb chakra, produce Life Energy exactly as Hashiramas mokuton, that is the point.
I think thats proof enough where hashiramas mokuton orignated from. And since Kaguya had the Shinju's chakra, I'm sure you can guess the rest
The Golem is likely based on Ryūtōki (Dragon Lamp Demon), a creature from Japanese myths, usually seen as an Oni with a dragon around its torso. Together with Tentōki (Heavenly Lamp Demon), they symbolise the power of the Shitennō to repel and defeat evil.
Kishi has combined Aspects about the Dragon from several myths including buddhism, hinduism, and norse mythology
1- That was a good thread , I didn't knew about that dragon ( Níðhöggr ) in Norse myth , thanks for that info .
2- About the way Hashi obtained the Mokuton , listen : you said
simply combining Water and Earth style isnt enough to Grow Trees, Plants, and Flowers that are considered "Living"
The elements alone Cannot and Should not give life.
And as we know Hashirama is the reincarnation of Ashura [ Yang ( life Energy ) ] , which means Hashirama has the power
Of life Energy .
Naruto is also the reincarnation of Ashura ...... but Naruto had the power of ( Wind style ) , Naruto didn't had the power of
( Water style + Earth style ) , thats way Naruto will not be able to use Mokuton .
But if Hashirama had the power of ( Water style + Earth style ) by combining it with ( Life Energy he had due to being
The reincarnation of Ashura ... the Mokuton will comes out ) .
1- That was a good thread , I didn't knew about that dragon ( Níðhöggr ) in Norse myth , thanks for that info .
2- About the way Hashi obtained the Mokuton , listen : you said
I agree with this .... because there were many people who had both ( water + earth ) and they couldn't use Mokuton .
And then you said :
And as we know Hashirama is the reincarnation of Ashura [ Yang ( life Energy ) ] , which means Hashirama has the power
Of life Energy .
Naruto is also the reincarnation of Ashura ...... but Naruto had the power of ( Wind style ) , Naruto didn't had the power of
( Water style + Earth style ) , thats way Naruto will not be able to use Mokuton .
But if Hashirama had the power of ( Water style + Earth style ) by combining it with ( Life Energy he had due to being
The reincarnation of Ashura ... the Mokuton will comes out ) .
It's also compatible with the theory of Hashirama dying prematurely of overusing mokuton and exhausting his life force.
However, in regards to the beginning where you stated it's not possible for elements to form any form of life, I somewhat disagree based on the biogenesis theory of amino acids (called the building blocks of life), through a series of conditions and mechanisms, formed into the first single-celled organisms on earth. Ironically, Hashirama's main mokuton technique is named after biogenesis.
That is indeed a possible hypothesis, however regarding Naruto, he is able to manipulate the elements perfectly none the less, and they are a sort of Kekkeigenkai to him now. I believe this because Jinchuurikis are able to use/combine the Elements their Bijuu belong to with ease, take roshi, gaara, and han for example. Naruto is the psuedo 10 tail Jin now, theoretically he should be able to use all the elements Now, He is able to use Truth Seeking balls, which is basically the combination of 4 elements + Inyotoun to add we dont know what other elements he could use beside wind
Although Im willing to put the issue of the elements as a 5th Possibility, however to be honest I find it less quite Unlikely, As there are many issues that come with this theory.
It's also compatible with the theory of Hashirama dying prematurely of overusing mokuton and exhausting his life force.
However, in regards to the beginning where you stated it's not possible for elements to form any form of life, I somewhat disagree based on the biogenesis theory of amino acids (called the building blocks of life), through a series of conditions and mechanisms, formed into the first single-celled organisms on earth. Ironically, Hashirama's main mokuton technique is named after biogenesis.
I like the example you have given, but There is a great difference between single celled organism and Giant Tree's/Flowers my friend
Not to mention the mechanism in NV slightly different considering its all chakra based.
That is indeed a possible hypothesis, however regarding Naruto, he is able to manipulate the elements perfectly none the less, and they are a sort of Kekkeigenkai to him now. I believe this because Jinchuurikis are able to use/combine the Elements their Bijuu belong to with ease, take roshi, gaara, and han for example. Naruto is the psuedo 10 tail Jin now, theoretically he should be able to use all the elements Now, He is able to use Truth Seeking balls, which is basically the combination of 4 elements + Inyotoun to add we dont know what other elements he could use beside wind
Although Im willing to put the issue of the elements as a 5th Possibility, however to be honest I find it less quite Unlikely, As there are many issues that come with this theory..
If Naruto has ( Life force ) and he can have the ( Water style ) from Sanbi , and ( Earth style ) from Ichibi , And then mixing them together
To bring out the Mokuton .
But Naruto has ( Fire , water , Earth , Lightning , Wind styles ) from all the Bijuu , and also with the life force , thats mean he
Will be able to use tons of Kekkeigenkai ... and this is ridiculous .
So in other words Naruto most not be able to use Mokuton by bringing the Elements from the Bijuu .
I agree that you need to apply Yang release along with Earth and Water elements to create Wood release but I'm not sure how Hashirama was given this third requirement of life energy.
Yes it Did, looky here, thats Mokuton she's Using for heavens sake
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Hagoromos "Yin"and Hagoromos "Yang" and there is no evidence or any hint that hagoromo could use Mokuton.
and if you Read this thread I linked you will have your answer about "Rinnegan" (Just so you know)
So who stated having yang = definitly having mokuton?. Hagoromo possessed Yin and Yang, hence he had the rinnegan. He would not have accquired the rinnegan without yin and yang combo. Mokuton as I said many times before is simply a mutation that occured in Hashirama's dna.
In recent Chapter BZ stated Kaguya and the Jubi were One.
However put that aside, Kaguya ate the Fruit which contains the chakra of the Jubi, Jubi = Chakra. She was every bit of Jubi as Jubi was. She has the eye to prove it, and the fact that it took the entire shinju tree to Revive Kaguyas "powers" which was stated to (Surpass) even that of Jubi. Just so you know
Here is the misconception you are in. Kaguya =/= juubi when she at the fruit. However, Kaguya merged her will into the juubi somehow. We do not how.. but she was able to do it. How can you be everybit of something just by eating part of it? you cannot. However, she merged herself into the shinju, hence the tsukuyomi came into play. Note that Rikudou only entitled 2 KKGs to her, the sharingan and the byakugan. Some people are even saying she possessed the rinnegan.. but she did not.
Well we have no clue on what her powers were before.. and no clue how her powers are now compared to before.. there has been no comparison. The revival was because of black zetsu. Not because of absorbing the full tree. However this is irrelevant to the topic at hand. her powers and so on. Rikudou didn't have the powers of Kaguya, despite becoming the jinchuriki of Kaguya/juubi. Since i myself have no firm answer regarding kaguya and the tree, i won't bother arguing further on this.
This is a total mess mate. First of all Senju's Do not have a Bigger life force than Uzumaki, they have a Stronger Body Chakra, But longitvity and Life Energy is something Uzumaki's known for.
And I was talking about Ashura not hashiama, the whole theory revolves around Hashirama "obtaining" that life force so you cant comapre him to Nagato
Sigh..you dont think things completely through dude and I have to clean up the mess, its late here
Lets talk then. What is life force in Naruto? Chakra. Do you understand that? Uzumaki are nothing more than a senju clan. Senju blood lineage was divided into many factions, until Hashirama reunited most of them under him. However, Uzumaki were already established on an island.. hence the whole konoha and uzumaki treaty thing.
Senju possess more chakra aka life force than Uzumaki. I acknowledge that there are different types of Senju (it was called a diverse clan by kishimoto). But i am referring to Hashirama and Tobirama. And also,
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Come on dude this is a long established fact you are questioning now. Senju like Hashirama and Tobirama have strong life force.
So wouldn't this be me cleaning up the mess
No I already understood. But what you say is Wrong because if that were true other Senjus would have awakened it as well. He was not the only one hard working im sure. But if you are saying its because he is Ashuras Reincarnation, then Naruto should have been Able to Awaken Mokuton as well being Ashuras Reincarnation, and Having Great Life force.
and if you blame the Elements, Naruto has all the elements and Several Kekkeigenkai's now + Hagoromos ENTIRE Yang in other words "Ashuras power" infact Naruto is the combination of Two Ashuras sort of, 1- He was already Ashuras Re-incarnation, 2-Hagoromo gave him his Own Yang half "aka another Ashura" So I see no reason why Naruto wouldnt be able to use Mokuton if what you say is true
Lastly, there is no evidence in the Manga stating either Hagoromo or Ashura could use Wood Style at all. Hashirama was said to be the only one, aside from Kaguya and Shinju.
No reread what i stated. I said Hashirama had already possessed the power, however he need to train hard to unlock it. Similar to Ashura. Possessing the power = reference to what i stated that it was a mutation in his blood.
^^^^^^^^ Clearly you didn't look at this.
Kaguya was never stated to USE wood style. Shinju itself is wood. .
Also, you stated that manipulating something is already wood = samething as Hashirama.... where did you get that from? Sure you realize that Hashirama creates new wood.. not make from existing one (which he can also do).
I like the example you have given, but There is a great difference between single celled organism and Giant Tree's/Flowers my friend
Not to mention the mechanism in NV slightly different considering its all chakra based.
Here is the misconception you are in. Kaguya =/= juubi when she at the fruit. However, Kaguya merged her will into the juubi somehow. We do not how.. but she was able to do it. How can you be everybit of something just by eating part of it? you cannot. However, she merged herself into the shinju, hence the tsukuyomi came into play. Note that Rikudou only entitled 2 KKGs to her, the sharingan and the byakugan. Some people are even saying she possessed the rinnegan.. but she did not.
The third eye is also the Rinnegan, just like Sasuke's. Hence she possesses all of the Three Great Dōjutsus (San Daidōjutsu)
And concerning the Fruit, the major portion of the Shinju's chakra is encapsulated in that Fruit, it is the ultimate object of power in Narutoverse, if you consume the encapsulated essence of an entity, then you also take into being the totality of its source.
The third eye is also the Rinnegan, just like Sasuke's. Hence she possesses all of the Three Great Dōjutsus (San Daidōjutsu)
And concerning the Fruit, the major portion of the Shinju's chakra is encapsulated in that Fruit, it is the ultimate object of power in Narutoverse, if you consume the encapsulated essence of an entity, then you also take into being the totality of its source.
False, The eye of Sasuke, is stated to be a rinnegan. Rikudou specifically stated she possesses the sharingan and byakugan. No rinnegan was mentioned. Only person who had the rinnegan is the Sage of the 6 Paths. You should understand this. You cannot give characters something they are never said to possess. Yes the 9-tomoe sharingan is the utimate eye or the one that all doujutsu come from. However, its the same concept as how juubi itself has never shown to use lava or other elemental attacks besides wood, while its divided parts the tailed beasts can use different elements.
Saying she has a rinnegan, because the seems to be the same as Sasuke's is nothing more than a pure speculation. Rikudou himself would've mentioned it.
Ehh, i'm not even sure on this , too many plotholes regarding this part, that don't quite add up, by using logic. So i just leave the tree and it's fruit thing alone.
