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Interesting . . . . What of Itachi and Zabuza?

Even if not, i wouldn't blame you since it is logical to connect the thread to other issues. But thanks

Nope, i assure you. On my honour, this is for healthier discussion and community engagement.

Because of counters or levels difference? (I disagree, either way, but to focus the discussion . . . )

First of all, i haven't even checked to see if i actually said that. That's because this isn't to continue that nasty episode with @Avani. This is just to say that even if Avani wasnt strawmanning me as per habit, its not all that bad. See, i wouldnt blame most people if they read that post...

Isn't it implied - by him being a student and from knowing the Hidden Lotus - that he knows the moves associated with the gates he can open? Besides that, isn't it against thematics if every character is well-rounded? Like, doesn't it go against the idea of styles, since what gives identity to...

Well, i tried to sort this out amicably but i was shot down for it (further proof that this is not a matter of conviction, because conviction ultimately works for the greator good) Throughout our discussions, @Avani has been offensive and berating me, not simply expressing disagreement but...

We'll settle this after a private discussion

Conviction, you say? Well, conviction is not deceptive as you have been, because it believes in itself. Conviction is honest and true, because it believes in itself. Conviction addresses a matter directly, because it believes in itself. In all ur interactions on both threads, you have been...

As a taijutsu, its definitely excellent. Im not sure about too much else because styles like Ferocious Fist and Gentle Fist have special utilities like breaking barriers and countering ninjutsu

What part of "show me" is a fact? What's the point of this ramble? Did i claim chakra isn't like this? Technically, there is a difference between spirit and spiritual. In this context, is there a difference? Is anything conclusive. Seriously man, you've just strawmanned me, attacked my...

What do you mean by this? Are you accusing me of something?

Certainly . . . Hence i specified for this thread . . .

So its a logical deduction when you basically say: "show me someone else holding it" and you began your case by simply stating an opinion . . . But when i use multiple lines of reasoning, from differences in nature (spirit vs chakra) to knowledge of others (Orochimaru and Zetsu) and even find...

If he's playing around, why would he use top tier techniques like FTG, Particle Style and 100 Healing? If he's weakened, how can he afford the energy to cast those techniques at a practical level? If he has alternatives that are simpler, why use other techniques? You forgot the part where he...

Okay, so which is it? Talent? Skill? Gift? Ability? 1603752848 Speed and strength dont come from training? Gai? There are thousands of medics, all from training. We're talking top 5 here. When did i say she has nothing whatsoever? In the other thread you also strawman me as though i made an...

Training?

Agreed. So what are these then? Anyway, to properly address your points . . . The fact that it is known specifically proves it is separate and known. Also, that Orochimaru knew about it tells of it being separate. Do you hear of Sasuke's chakra bow being heard about? No. The same with Madara...

Isn't she just really fast and really strong? Im not sure those translate directly to talent, skill and giftedness

He plays around a lot, he is weakened a lot, he has many useful alternatives